Drinking laws

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
DUI laws try to prevent that from happening and in turn screw more responsible people who drink and drive (and yes you can drive while under the influence responsibly) and obey all traffic laws and do absolutley nothing wrong and steal everything away from them and make them go to jail and lose their job and their car.

If they were responsible they wouldn't drink and drive.

I feel no pitty for those who get pulled over, get arrested and have their licenses revoked. And if it was up to me, there would be zero tolerance for repeat offenders.

Zero tolerance is the worst idea ever...all our society spouts is zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is the sign of a facist society.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And who's to say that alcohol is involved in the crash? There's been reports of sober people running red lights and hitting a drunk driver, and then the drunk driver is blamed for the wreck.

Of course its the drunk drivers fault...its an easy blame.

 

[BlancoNino]

If you got drunk enough to kill a family, you probably would have done just as bad or worse things while you were sober. So what's the difference?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And who's to say that alcohol is involved in the crash? There's been reports of sober people running red lights and hitting a drunk driver, and then the drunk driver is blamed for the wreck.

Of course its the drunk drivers fault...its an easy blame.

Yeah! Because of he was smart and decided not to drive, the sober people would have gone right through the light and hit nobody! That's how MADD thinks...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What's everyones opinions on this? I think we're using way too much police resources.

I would rather drive home knowing that the police are looking our for those who would appear to be impaired...

having lost 3 friends to a drunk driver....only by God`s grace did i decide to stay at the party and crash instead of going home.......

So I am sort of biased on this issue!!

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
DUI laws try to prevent that from happening and in turn screw more responsible people who drink and drive (and yes you can drive while under the influence responsibly) and obey all traffic laws and do absolutley nothing wrong and steal everything away from them and make them go to jail and lose their job and their car.

If they were responsible they wouldn't drink and drive.

I feel no pitty for those who get pulled over, get arrested and have their licenses revoked. And if it was up to me, there would be zero tolerance for repeat offenders.

Zero tolerance is the worst idea ever...all our society spouts is zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is the sign of a facist society.

For repeat offenders? Anyways, if you truly are capable behidn the wheel with a beer or two in you, why are you worried about getting pulled over? If you are pulled over, I'm guessing you aren't the capable driver you'd like us to believe.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Turn on a police radio. MOST of what you hear is "I think this guy's been drinkin'". My block got robbed 8 times in the last 2 months, but most of the police are sitting in front of the bars at night pulling over everybody.

I know a guy who got a DUI, payed thousands of dollars in legal fees and it was dropped in court because the breathalizers weren't calibrated correctly...but he's still out thousands of dollars.

The other day I heard a study on the radio saying that only 20% of the people who blow a .08 are actually impaired. That means 80% of the people getting DUI's at a .08 are perfectly safe drivers.

Lots of people CAN drive while under the influence (not flat-out wasted), it's the people who probably aren't very good drivers to begin with that ruin it for everyone else.

It shouldn't be legal to be drunk and driving, but come on... NOBODY is drunk at .08

Bottom line to your story...
there are always exceptions to the rule.....but....sorry for your friend.....he had no buisness behind the wheel of a deadly weapon even with one drink...sorry...

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What's everyones opinions on this? I think we're using way too much police resources.

I would rather drive home knowing that the police are looking our for those who would appear to be impaired...

having lost 3 friends to a drunk driver....only by God`s grace did i decide to stay at the party and crash instead of going home.......

So I am sort of biased on this issue!!

I am sorry to hear that. The drunk driver was obviously too drunk to have been driving. I honestly think that major wrecks like this are never the fault of just a few drinks...either extremely bad driving or more than just a few drinks...that's a major point I'd like to emphasize.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Again are we talking about drunk drivers or "buzzed" drivers?

My point is that it seems like that's all the police care about anymore. They'd rather give DUI's because it's big profit and because fighting REAL crime is dangerous.

The only accidents I've ever heard about are people who are driving at about .18 or higher.

I've drank and drive many times, but I know my limit. I'm not going to hit the road after I stumble to my car and I'm on the verge of passing out. 4 beers is not going to impair my driving more than marginally. And I'm a great a driver too, so if it's impaired a little bit by the alcohol then it will put me down to an average sober driver. So what's the deal here?

Drunk or Buzzed...what does it matter......
You drink you don`t drive...ehats so difficult about that.....
I can`t understand anybody who would argue that point.....its brainless...

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
DUI laws try to prevent that from happening and in turn screw more responsible people who drink and drive (and yes you can drive while under the influence responsibly) and obey all traffic laws and do absolutley nothing wrong and steal everything away from them and make them go to jail and lose their job and their car.

If they were responsible they wouldn't drink and drive.

I feel no pitty for those who get pulled over, get arrested and have their licenses revoked. And if it was up to me, there would be zero tolerance for repeat offenders.

Zero tolerance is the worst idea ever...all our society spouts is zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is the sign of a facist society.

For repeat offenders? Anyways, if you truly are capable behidn the wheel with a beer or two in you, why are you worried about getting pulled over? If you are pulled over, I'm guessing you aren't the capable driver you'd like us to believe.

What is your definition of repeat offender? someone who gets pulled over for only the second time in 40 years? What throw him in jail, put him in prison? Execution? what punishment is fitting of Zero Tolerance?

Who's worried? No where have I said what kind of driver I am.

 

[BlancoNino]

If you are pulled over, I'm guessing you aren't the capable driver you'd like us to believe.

Like the guy I knew who was driving "slightly to the left of the center of the lane and looked suspicious"....wow, they'll pull you over for anything at night.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And who's to say that alcohol is involved in the crash? There's been reports of sober people running red lights and hitting a drunk driver, and then the drunk driver is blamed for the wreck.

Thats a very inmature and irresponsibe way of looking at this issue...
its really cut and dry....

you drink..you do not drive...whats the argument here..its brainless...

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What's everyones opinions on this? I think we're using way too much police resources.

I would rather drive home knowing that the police are looking our for those who would appear to be impaired...

having lost 3 friends to a drunk driver....only by God`s grace did i decide to stay at the party and crash instead of going home.......

So I am sort of biased on this issue!!

What was the BAC of the drunk driver? equal or less than .08?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Drunk driving penalties are way too severe. They are trying to punish someone for something they haven't done yet. Lets say you are speeding at five miles over at 1 am. In fact you always drive 5 miles over. You get pulled over. The officer smells beer and asks you to blow into the breathalyzer...you blow .09. It is the only sign you show of impairement. All of a sudden you are faced with all sorts of charges, fees and penalites when in fact you were no greater danger than if you hadn't been drinking.

GoPackGo.....say you were married...and your wife was driving home from the store with the kids in the car and a drunk driver head onned your car..and killed everybody....

yet later you cpome to find out a few blocks before the accident the cop saw the car but decided that dudes only had a few to drink I doubt hes drunk. If I pull him over it will get thrown out of court. So he lets the guy keep on going....

again you drink you don`t drive....whats so hard to grasp......the concept is simple....I believe..is it not??

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Drunk driving penalties are way too severe. They are trying to punish someone for something they haven't done yet. Lets say you are speeding at five miles over at 1 am. In fact you always drive 5 miles over. You get pulled over. The officer smells beer and asks you to blow into the breathalyzer...you blow .09. It is the only sign you show of impairement. All of a sudden you are faced with all sorts of charges, fees and penalites when in fact you were no greater danger than if you hadn't been drinking.

I see no problem pulling people over if they show any signs of impairment from drinking...even if the slightest.

GoPackGo.....say you were married...and your wife was driving home from the store with the kids in the car and a drunk driver head onned your car..and killed everybody....

yet later you cpome to find out a few blocks before the accident the cop saw the car but decided that dudes only had a few to drink I doubt hes drunk. If I pull him over it will get thrown out of court. So he lets the guy keep on going....

again you drink you don`t drive....whats so hard to grasp......the concept is simple....I believe..is it not??

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
What's everyones opinions on this? I think we're using way too much police resources.

I would rather drive home knowing that the police are looking our for those who would appear to be impaired...

having lost 3 friends to a drunk driver....only by God`s grace did i decide to stay at the party and crash instead of going home.......

So I am sort of biased on this issue!!

What was the BAC of the drunk driver? equal or less than .08?

Thats to me is not the issue,,,BAC..pffft....you drink you dont drive...simple concept I think....

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Thats to me is not the issue,,,BAC..pffft....you drink you dont drive...simple concept I think....

The thing about common sense is that it's not as common as you would think.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Tab
Wasn't there some national movement to make legal limit .08? I know in some states you can blow .10 and still be allowed to drive. I wish there was much stonger empahsis on teenagers to drive safely.

I don't think that's true, actually. I believe Minnesota was the last such state, and it changed over to .08% last winter.

 

[BoberFett]

I think drunk driving is a serious offense, and should be treated as such.

However, I'd like to debunk this myth that says since states are all lowering their limit to .08 instead of .10 that there must be a scientific reason behind it. That's completely incorrect.

States are lowering the limit to .08 because the federal government tied federal highway money to enforcing the lower limit. States that did not comply with the .08 law would not receive federal highway money. In essence, this was extortion.

 

[joshw10]

DUIs are big business. A small city can get several a day which will each earn up to several hundred or more $$ in court fees (taxes). It's like a dozen speeding tickets in one grab I was once pulled over twice in the same night, by the same cop, and both times he just made up some BS story about how I was swerving in the lane (I saw the cop the 2nd time and was extra careful to drive flawlessly lol).

A 160lb man can drink 3 beers over the course of an hour and be below a .08. If you're drinking more than that you're clearly aiming for intoxication anyway

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: joshw10
DUIs are big business. A small city can get several a day which will each earn up to several hundred or more $$ in court fees (taxes). It's like a dozen speeding tickets in one grab I was once pulled over twice in the same night, by the same cop, and both times he just made up some BS story about how I was swerving in the lane (I saw the cop the 2nd time and was extra careful to drive flawlessly lol).

A 160lb man can drink 3 beers over the course of an hour and be below a .08. If you're drinking more than that you're clearly aiming for intoxication anyway

Based on back-of-envelope calculations, and erring to the side of caution, I know my 'legal' limit is two drinks to start, and one an hour after that (eg. three in the first hour, then one an hour). Normally if I plan to drink this much, I make arrangements not to drive, but I know at least that I am legal at this level.

How you 'feel' is a ridiculous way to decide if you're sober. We've all (or most of us) had the experience of putting back a dozen beers in a couple of hours and not really feeling drunk, and also the experience of stumbling for a few minutes after one beer on the golf course on a hot day. Impaired reaction time is measurable for an average person after about two drinks; slower judgement and reaction time is reality by .08, whether you can walk straight down the yellow line and touch your nose or not.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Drunk driving penalties are way too severe. They are trying to punish someone for something they haven't done yet. Lets say you are speeding at five miles over at 1 am. In fact you always drive 5 miles over. You get pulled over. The officer smells beer and asks you to blow into the breathalyzer...you blow .09. It is the only sign you show of impairement. All of a sudden you are faced with all sorts of charges, fees and penalites when in fact you were no greater danger than if you hadn't been drinking.

GoPackGo.....say you were married...and your wife was driving home from the store with the kids in the car and a drunk driver head onned your car..and killed everybody....

yet later you cpome to find out a few blocks before the accident the cop saw the car but decided that dudes only had a few to drink I doubt hes drunk. If I pull him over it will get thrown out of court. So he lets the guy keep on going....

again you drink you don`t drive....whats so hard to grasp......the concept is simple....I believe..is it not??

so the driver goes from being driven normally, to the driver going to the other side of the road...and hitting a car head on at lets say 25mph or so? so i let my family drive a vehicle with NO airbags, No seatbelts and no crumple zone?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: joshw10
DUIs are big business. A small city can get several a day which will each earn up to several hundred or more $$ in court fees (taxes). It's like a dozen speeding tickets in one grab I was once pulled over twice in the same night, by the same cop, and both times he just made up some BS story about how I was swerving in the lane (I saw the cop the 2nd time and was extra careful to drive flawlessly lol).

A 160lb man can drink 3 beers over the course of an hour and be below a .08. If you're drinking more than that you're clearly aiming for intoxication anyway

The whole idea behind the laws are not to save lives, but to get cash.

What is the fatal drunk driving crash ratio to DUI tickets? my guess is that its thousands to 1

 

[MadRat]

I pity the fools that think stricter laws will change behavior. Stricter laws cause rebellion and insensitivity to the law.

The guy who blew .09 and got the book thrown at them is a tragedy. The truth is the drunks that repeatedly cause problems get by without much problem while the average Joe Firsttimeoffense is getting slammed with a 50 pound sledgehammer. The law should punish those that repeatedly have a problem OR the one that was responsible for an accident. The chances are its the repeat offenders that caused the family of six to die, not Joe Firsttimeoffense.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I think drunk driving is a serious offense, and should be treated as such.

However, I'd like to debunk this myth that says since states are all lowering their limit to .08 instead of .10 that there must be a scientific reason behind it. That's completely incorrect.

States are lowering the limit to .08 because the federal government tied federal highway money to enforcing the lower limit. States that did not comply with the .08 law would not receive federal highway money. In essence, this was extortion.

Bingo.