Dream Act dead again .... maybe?

[WhipperSnapper]

Frankly I'm surprised by the opposition to the Dream Act. Granted partisans tend to latch onto every issue and vehemently declare one side to be 100% right or wrong, but the Dream Act-at least as far as the military goes-seems to be a no brainer. It's like being against Mom and apple pie. And if someone puts themselves through college here, why shouldn't our society attempt to hold onto them and their skills?

It also provides an incentive for illegals to break into the U.S. in the same way that allowing anchor babies does. Don't worry about our sending college graduates back to Mexico; our nation already has a gigantic oversupply of unemployed and underemployed-out-of-field college graduates.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

There are really only 3 ways to deal with our illegal immigration population:

1. Round em up and deport them
2. Offer amnesty
3. Ignore it

We have been doing #3 since the last amnesty. It's not been very productive and does not solve any problem. Option #1 is extremely hard to enforce and implement with 10+ million illegal immigrants spread throughout all corners of the country. There would be lots of warrentless searches on both citizens and non citizens, and incredible amounts of violence and turmoil. Thus, the only method that can offer a peaceful and reasonable solution is through option #2.

If we can provide health care and education for illegal aliens then we can find a way to deport them. We can even encourage them to "self-deport". We can start by enforcing harsh penalties against employers who knowingly or recklessly hire illegals. Then we can begin increasing the penalties for illegals who are still around 90 days after the national announcement that we're going to deport them. (I think we should use them as slave labor to build a wall on our southern border.)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Why have any immigration laws if they're not going to be enforced?

"Official Gotham police policy is to arrest the vigilante known as Batman."

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Note, no discussion of immigration should ever occur without a viewing of this profound video:

Immigration Gumballs--America's Population Exploding

 

[ShawnD1]

Note, no discussion of immigration should ever occur without a viewing of this profound video:

Immigration Gumballs--America's Population Exploding

The most interesting argument is that taking in the world's best keeps the world in shit hole poverty because their best people just left

 

[runzwithsizorz]

You speak spanish? You also have the audacity to ask them what they do with their money? I worked in construction for about 15 years in CA so I encountered many more "illegal Aliens" that I'm sure you have the short time you've been in CA and I don't ever recall the subject of what they did with their money came up besides them buying beer or tamales off the catering truck and I sure as hell wouldn't be asshole enough to ask them. To be frank I don't think you are too so that means you are just talking out your ass again.Now that doesn't mean they don't but what it means is you are BS'ing us when you say that they told you.

"The money sent home by Mexican migrants fell in 2008 for the first time on record, Mexico's central bank said Tuesday _ part of a global trend that could worsen as emigrants from developing countries lose jobs in the global financial crisis.

Remittances, Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income after oil, plunged 3.6 percent to $25 billion in 2008 compared to $26 billion for the previous year, the central bank said.

The percentage drop is nearly twice what the government had expected for the year, and central bank official Jesus Cervantes said the decline will likely continue this year.

Experts blame a crackdown on illegal immigration that has stemmed the flow of those heading north to seek work as well as the U.S. recession, in which many Mexicans, especially construction workers, have been laid off.

It was the first time remittances have fallen year-to-year since the bank starting tracking the money 13 years ago.

 

[Munky]

Yep, because kids who were brought over when they were a week old and lived here their whole lives and speak not a word of Spanish obviously deserve to be deported to Mexico instead of being allowed to join the military or go to college.

The party of FEAR!!!! strikes again.

They shouldn't be here in the first place. You liberals always try to play the emotional sympathy card for the purpose of circumventing the law.

 

[PokerGuy]

Follow the damn law. Anything that legitimizes breaking the law or provides benefits for doing so is a bad thing. This nightmare act needs to go away asap.

 

[theeedude]

Keep them illegal so they have to work for less. Otherwise they'll be as expensive as teabagger labor, what's the point?

 

[Keeper]

Whippersanpper. My new hero!!!

Love this:
If we can provide health care and education for illegal aliens then we can find a way to deport them

 

[dainthomas]

They shouldn't be here in the first place. You liberals always try to play the emotional sympathy card for the purpose of circumventing the law.

That's the nice thing about having the ability to reason and adapt, laws can be changed based on new circumstances. And things that were once illegal can be made so they no longer are.

Most reasonable people believe that two week olds brought over and raised here against their will do not deserve to be severely punished by being sent to countries where they have no resources to live. Their parents, yes. Them, no. Therefore, the law can be changed to accommodate this circumstance.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That's the nice thing about having the ability to reason and adapt, laws can be changed based on new circumstances. And things that were once illegal can be made so they no longer are.

Most reasonable people believe that two week olds brought over and raised here against their will do not deserve to be severely punished by being sent to countries where they have no resources to live. Their parents, yes. Them, no. Therefore, the law can be changed to accommodate this circumstance.

while i agree, it's far dumber to:

1) continue allow what amounts to essentially an open border for decades to allow such mass illegal immigration to take place

2) turn away tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of graduate level foreign nationals who graduate from our universities, many of whom would be happy to stay in the united states.

which is exactly what our current policy is. fix those, then i'd agree to DREAM.

 

[Munky]

That's the nice thing about having the ability to reason and adapt, laws can be changed based on new circumstances. And things that were once illegal can be made so they no longer are.

Most reasonable people believe that two week olds brought over and raised here against their will do not deserve to be severely punished by being sent to countries where they have no resources to live. Their parents, yes. Them, no. Therefore, the law can be changed to accommodate this circumstance.

Other than emotional sympathy, there is no good reason to change these laws. I'd much rather change our ridiculous drug, divorce, and gun control laws, which would actually benefit the citizens of this nation, as opposed to letting in more foreigners to compete for limited jobs and resources.

 

[911paramedic]

Why have any immigration laws if they're not going to be enforced?

This sums up my viewpoint rather well.