Dragon Age has Day One Paid DLC

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
you people do realize that there are multiple teams working on a game right? The team responsible for the console port would have had immensely different duties than anyone creating content for the game. I suspect that the DLC was in development for this timeline anyway and was finished before the other team had the port finished.

Ok, last comment in this thread for a while.

Not much difference between splitting off some of their workforce to make DLC and not splitting them off to work on DLC but taking content out and use that as DLC. In the end it is the same for us.

But as I said before, if it's worth it then all is fine. But will it be worth it?

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy

Originally posted by: Glitchny

Originally posted by: s44
Are you guys just looking for shit to complain about?

Warden's Keep isn't a storyline quest, it's a standalone dungeon like Durlag's Tower or Watcher's Keep. As you recall you've always had to pay extra for those as well.

Lol don't bother arguing, they aren't listening. I'll buy the game play through the main storyline as that's what I paid for, and then if I feel inclined I'll buy the DLC, but somehow this is outrageous.

There is also the consideration that they cut out content that will reduce the quality of the game. Simple solution for the consumer is to look up reviews and decide if the game itself is worth buying, if the DLC is also worth buying, is it bargain bin material they should wait a year to buy or just not worth buying at all?

It is your choice Glitchny & s44 to pay more then what somethings worth.

True, the thing is though that I determine how much it is worth to me. A fun experience/game/story that I'm interested in playing and enjoy is worth it to me regardless of if they removed content. I play games to have fun, if I feel that I will have fun for a decent amount of time with a game then it is worth the money.

Just because I know they might have removed content or be adding DLC that I may choose to pay for doesn't make the experience less fun.

 

[lupi]

Yeah, remind me when the compilation disc is finally released and on sale.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: Glitchny

Originally posted by: s44
Are you guys just looking for shit to complain about?

Warden's Keep isn't a storyline quest, it's a standalone dungeon like Durlag's Tower or Watcher's Keep. As you recall you've always had to pay extra for those as well.

Lol don't bother arguing, they aren't listening. I'll buy the game play through the main storyline as that's what I paid for, and then if I feel inclined I'll buy the DLC, but somehow this is outrageous.

That's some poor logic, every RPG has side quests in it, saying you're just paying for the main quest is ridiculous. Have you honestly never done a side quest in a RPG, do you just rush through the main story and put it away after? I have no problem with DLC after the game is out, at that point they're doing extra work, but for them to take something that's being made during the main development of the game and set it aside as paid DLC is just a pure cash grab.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that even if a separate team made this DLC they obviously still have to collaborate with the main team to fit in into the world, use the same characters, possibly have some extra info regarding the world or the main story (just purely fluff I mean). In any case there's no way the teams were isolated from each other, and I feel that anything developed before the games main release should be released as one package as long as it's all finished.

All in all it's a stupid move on their part too, sure a lot of people won't care and will buy the game and some will buy both, but as shown int his thread it will turn away some people. I really doubt that adding DLC for release actually made anyone who wasn't going to buy it change their mind, so I feel like they had nothing to gain from this except money, hence why I think it's a cash grab and nothing else.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: brblx
so anything that's 'fun' is automatically worth the arbitrary price of $50-60? would you like to buy a ball in a cup?

also, 'facepalm' is basically the emerging internet equivalent of 'talk to the hand' and makes you look like a dumbass. quit it.

you people do realize that there are multiple teams working on a game right? The team responsible for the console port would have had immensely different duties than anyone creating content for the game. I suspect that the DLC was in development for this timeline anyway and was finished before the other team had the port finished.

oh, so we should pay based on how many departments there are. i guess quake3 should've released with one map, and all the others should've been downloadable content, since the mappers probably sat in a different room from john carmack.

Let me clarify since you are having trouble reading what I intended. ALA not paying per team.

Lets say the game development as far as storyline was completly finished a month ago, but the port was having issues yet. The story team then decided to make DLC at that point. The full game was done.

If they would have delayed the DLC by a month from release you all would have no complaint IMO. So you are not complaining about the DLC, you are just complaining about the timing.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: brblx
so anything that's 'fun' is automatically worth the arbitrary price of $50-60? would you like to buy a ball in a cup?

also, 'facepalm' is basically the emerging internet equivalent of 'talk to the hand' and makes you look like a dumbass. quit it.

you people do realize that there are multiple teams working on a game right? The team responsible for the console port would have had immensely different duties than anyone creating content for the game. I suspect that the DLC was in development for this timeline anyway and was finished before the other team had the port finished.

oh, so we should pay based on how many departments there are. i guess quake3 should've released with one map, and all the others should've been downloadable content, since the mappers probably sat in a different room from john carmack.

Let me clarify since you are having trouble reading what I intended. ALA not paying per team.

Lets say the game development as far as storyline was completly finished a month ago, but the port was having issues yet. The story team then decided to make DLC at that point. The full game was done.

If they would have delayed the DLC by a month from release you all would have no complaint IMO. So you are not complaining about the DLC, you are just complaining about the timing.

The fact that it's done and ready to go when the game ships = it should be on the disc.

Anything else is irrelevant IMO. This is selling a partial game and charging $7 more to complete it. It's a scam, as 90% of DLC is a scam, but in this case releasing it day and date with the game just shows "We don't really care if you respect us, just give us your money."

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: brblx
so anything that's 'fun' is automatically worth the arbitrary price of $50-60? would you like to buy a ball in a cup?

also, 'facepalm' is basically the emerging internet equivalent of 'talk to the hand' and makes you look like a dumbass. quit it.

you people do realize that there are multiple teams working on a game right? The team responsible for the console port would have had immensely different duties than anyone creating content for the game. I suspect that the DLC was in development for this timeline anyway and was finished before the other team had the port finished.

oh, so we should pay based on how many departments there are. i guess quake3 should've released with one map, and all the others should've been downloadable content, since the mappers probably sat in a different room from john carmack.

Let me clarify since you are having trouble reading what I intended. ALA not paying per team.

Lets say the game development as far as storyline was completly finished a month ago, but the port was having issues yet. The story team then decided to make DLC at that point. The full game was done.

If they would have delayed the DLC by a month from release you all would have no complaint IMO. So you are not complaining about the DLC, you are just complaining about the timing.

What's so hard about them adding it to the full game then if they're still working on the port? I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: VashHT
I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

This. You see a company like Valve release DLC for free that is actually created AFTER the game comes out, and that makes me go back and buy their next game.

You see a company like EA/Bioware release completed content as paid DLC the day the game comes out. That's pretty much the best way to make sure I don't buy this game or any other in the future.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: VashHT


What's so hard about them adding it to the full game then if they're still working on the port? I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

The only problem with your theory is that people are very amenable with buying DLC. Nice dig on USA companies btw, just goes to show your global ignorance.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx


The fact that it's done and ready to go when the game ships = it should be on the disc.

Anything else is irrelevant IMO. This is selling a partial game and charging $7 more to complete it. It's a scam, as 90% of DLC is a scam, but in this case releasing it day and date with the game just shows "We don't really care if you respect us, just give us your money."

HA HA! No matter what they can't please you at this point, Time will tell whether is sells or not.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: VashHT


What's so hard about them adding it to the full game then if they're still working on the port? I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

The only problem with your theory is that people are very amenable with buying DLC. Nice dig on USA companies btw, just goes to show your global ignorance.

that and adding content to a game while porting it is just asking for a bunch of delays and issues on top of what they are already dealing with.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx


The fact that it's done and ready to go when the game ships = it should be on the disc.

Anything else is irrelevant IMO. This is selling a partial game and charging $7 more to complete it. It's a scam, as 90% of DLC is a scam, but in this case releasing it day and date with the game just shows "We don't really care if you respect us, just give us your money."

HA HA! No matter what they can't please you at this point, Time will tell whether is sells or not.

oh it will sell fine, considering a great majority of people wont even know about the DLC issues or the porting etc etc. Gotta keep perspective, the people who analyze and bicker over every little detail that goes into a game are the minority of the user base except in very rare circumstances.

 

[rivan]

I'm generally against paid DLC like this. It's very often lesser quality and higher cost than the base game.

I agree with others that it just feels like we're being nickled and dimed, especially when the timing comes along this way.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: VashHT


What's so hard about them adding it to the full game then if they're still working on the port? I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

The only problem with your theory is that people are very amenable with buying DLC. Nice dig on USA companies btw, just goes to show your global ignorance.

Well it remains to be seen if people are amenable to DLC that's released with the main game, so far it has been released after which makes far more sense. Also your insult doesn't make much sense, are you assuming I'm ignorant because you think I'm not American (which I am), or do you think I'm ignorant of foreign companies?

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: Glitchny

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: VashHT


What's so hard about them adding it to the full game then if they're still working on the port? I know they're trying to make money but come on they don't need to nickel and dime people to make profit on this game, and if you please your customers they will buy more of your products (something american businesses don't seem to realize).

The only problem with your theory is that people are very amenable with buying DLC. Nice dig on USA companies btw, just goes to show your global ignorance.

that and adding content to a game while porting it is just asking for a bunch of delays and issues on top of what they are already dealing with.

Is the DLC being ported as well? If it is, there wouldn't be any delays. They should test the game and DLC together before releasing them anyway, so if they're both set to come out when it releases how could there be any extra work other from them adding the content before shipping the game instead of making you pay to add it on the day it's released.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

It'd be awesome if you buy this, and then it's like a 200k download to just unlock the content on the disc.

Cause, yeah, I'd lol.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
It'd be awesome if you buy this, and then it's like a 200k download to just unlock the content on the disc.

Cause, yeah, I'd lol.

Heh I imagine then people here would be saying the team that made the unlocker deserves the extra income .

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: aequasi
haha way to steal the topic ryan... i dont have a problem with this really, wouldve been nice had the just put it in the game for free tho, or released it later, but it doesnt really bother me too much for $7

It doesn't bother you that other developers offer this kind of stuff for free? I mean sure it's your money, blow it anyway you like. I just don't support developers that try to sucker punch me.

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Via
This pretty much seals the deal: I'll pass on Dragon Age until next year when they release a GotY edition.

:thumbsup:

What's GOTY Fallout 3 selling for now? $25.00?

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: Beev
I can just about guarantee this is all EA's doing and Bioware had/has no say in the matter.

Stay classy EA. You steaming pile of shit.

Sure try to give EA all the credit. Microsoft is the real genius behind nickel and diming their customers with Xbox Live. I'd bet once again is was MS who insisted upon DLC.

 

[s44]

Paying more than something is worth? Are you on drugs? Dragon Age -- no DLC -- is 2-5x the length of games people are lining up to buy full-price now.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: s44
Paying more than something is worth? Are you on drugs? Dragon Age -- no DLC -- is 2-5x the length of games people are lining up to buy full-price now.

Are you on drugs? I guarantee you there is more than one RPG out there that is as long or longer than DA, wtf are you comparing it to anyway.

 

[Xed]

He's probably comparing it to halo3 odst

 

[GaryJohnson]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Via
This pretty much seals the deal: I'll pass on Dragon Age until next year when they release a GotY edition.

:thumbsup:

What's GOTY Fallout 3 selling for now? $25.00?

I'll be waiting for a GOTY as well. Fallout 3 GOTY should be out on the 13th (for $50).

If you don't like paying for the extra content, then by all means don't buy the extra content. You don't get to vote with your discontenment, you only get to vote with your wallet.

 

[TheVrolok]

Sigh.. that's just awful.