Draft coming right after election??

[Dissipate]

Mandatory Draft Coming-Soon

From: Sophie Lapaire <sophie.lapaire@sun.com>
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mandatorydraftcoming19mar04.shtml
March 19, 2004

I rarely send a mail to a large audience, but the possibility of mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June 15 2005, is something, I
believe, everyone should know. This litteraly affects EVERYONE since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

If there are children in your family, READ this.

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

Even those voters who currently support us. Actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft
--
Also, crossing into canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions, actions, actions:
P please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and theycan be a powerful voice for change!

Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The draft

$28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system (sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June

15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled
the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States,
including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign
affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other
things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester.
Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

WHAT TO DO:

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Looks like a draft will be here soon, and apparently moving to Canada won't be an option.

 

[Phokus]

F*** the draft. This is the 'land of the free', not nazi germany. The government can't tell ME which wars i should involve myself in.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Phokus
F*** the draft. This is the 'land of the free', not nazi germany. The government can't tell ME which wars i should involve myself in.

Yeah, now I regret registering for the SS. I think the Selective Service is going to overtake the Internal Revenue Service as the most hated/feared government institution in America.

 

[Spencer278]

They are sure trying hard to create a second Vietnam.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Phokus
F*** the draft. This is the 'land of the free', not nazi germany. The government can't tell ME which wars i should involve myself in.

:beer:

I'm too old to serve let alone be drafted, but I worry for my nieces and nephews (no kids of my own)

 

[Michael]

Both the people who submitted the bills are Democrats. This was an anti-war tactic - the desire was to make everyone have to serve. This isn't Bush or the Republicans. If anything, you should be out in the streets making sure that Kerry doesn't get elected or that the democrats get a majority.

BTW - there are tons and tons of bills introduced every year. Most die in commitee.

Michael

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Phokus
F*** the draft. This is the 'land of the free', not nazi germany. The government can't tell ME which wars i should involve myself in.

If not for the draft, it might be the other way around.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
They are sure trying hard to create a second Vietnam.

 

[XZeroII]

Isn't it against forum rules to post spam messages? If not, it should be. Only stupid people actually believe the crap that they get via email.

There will NOT be a draft after the election. That is stupid.

 

[beer]

I can't wait until the day I get a draft card so I can burn it in front of CNN cameras

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Actually, the bill in question IS in fact for a reinstatement of a National Draft. And my raging lefty ass supports this 100%. Why?



POPULAR TITLE:
Reinstate draft bill (identified by CRS)

SHORT TITLE: Universal National Service Act of 2003

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

SUMMARY AS OF 1/7/2003: Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.


Link


Oh yeah, and that spam email is drivel. This bill was written by and is sponsored by Democrats, and will be a plank of John Kerry's platform.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Actually, the bill in question IS in fact for a reinstatement of a National Draft. And my raging lefty ass supports this 100%. Why?



POPULAR TITLE:
Reinstate draft bill (identified by CRS)

SHORT TITLE: Universal National Service Act of 2003

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

SUMMARY AS OF 1/7/2003: Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.


Link

So all citizens should be forced by the government to join the military? Goodbye freedom. Hello oppression!

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Actually, the bill in question IS in fact for a reinstatement of a National Draft. And my raging lefty ass supports this 100%. Why?



POPULAR TITLE:
Reinstate draft bill (identified by CRS)

SHORT TITLE: Universal National Service Act of 2003

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

SUMMARY AS OF 1/7/2003: Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.


Link

So all citizens should be forced by the government to join the military? Goodbye freedom. Hello oppression!

Again you prove that you don't read anything before spouting off your Limbaughsian diatribe. I even bolded the important part for you. See how it says "or a period of civilian service"?

or ( P ) Pronunciation Key (&ocirc;r; r when unstressed)
conj.

1.
1. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.
2. Used to indicate the second of two alternatives, the first being preceded by either or whether: Your answer is either ingenious or wrong. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[heartsurgeon]

i hope so, thin out the liberal ranks here at P&N! i'll vote for it!! You guys want to raise my taxes, i want to send you into the military......it's your obligation as the young to fight the wars. Just like the rich are suppose to pay the most taxes, the young have to protect us old folk...my advice, enlist now!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

There isn't going to be a draft - this is just kettle banging by a few who either wish to stir up the Vietnam emotions or just want to scare people out of supporting the war or military. There is no need for the draft nor mandatory service as supported by the likes of Monsta. Plenty willingly CHOOSE to join the military and other civil service orgs. Once again for the thick folks - there isn't going to be a draft.

CkG

 

[heartsurgeon]

CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

 

[nutxo]

I once got an email saying if I forwarded it I would get a dollar for every 10 people I sent it to!

I can also

Enlarge my penis!

Stop paying taxes!

Buy a house with little or no down payment!

Refinance my house!

Buy a russian bride!

Win a cruise!

.............................

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

He'd be too old for your draft

CkG

 

[ElFenix]

i swear i read about this somewhere around here...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

He'd be too old for your draft

CkG

If we are drafting dave, this country is in real trouble

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
There isn't going to be a draft - this is just kettle banging by a few who either wish to stir up the Vietnam emotions or just want to scare people out of supporting the war or military. There is no need for the draft nor mandatory service as supported by the likes of Monsta. Plenty willingly CHOOSE to join the military and other civil service orgs. Once again for the thick folks - there isn't going to be a draft.

CkG

"the likes of Monsta"?!?!?! LOL. You sound like Adam West's Batman telling the Commisioner about this week's supervillain...

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: nutxo
I once got an email saying if I forwarded it I would get a dollar for every 10 people I sent it to!

I can also

Enlarge my penis!

Stop paying taxes!

Buy a house with little or no down payment!

Refinance my house!

Buy a russian bride!

Win a cruise!

.............................

those in bold are actually true

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

He'd be too old for your draft

CkG

If we are drafting dave, this country is in real trouble

Hey, even Iraq needs radio show hosts. He can be like Robin Willaims in "Good Morning Vietnam".

 

[1luckymf]

If we are drafting dave, this country is in real trouble

Hey, even Iraq needs radio show hosts. He can be like Robin Willaims in "Good Morning Vietnam".


Maybe he could team up with Baghdad Bob

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

Pushing 50, no such luck.