Dr. Ron Paul is going to run for a 3rd and presumably final time:)

[drebo]

Like Communism, Libertarianism is just Utopian drivel.

Never once in the entire history of the world, no any country on earth bigger than a few mud huts has had anything remotely resembling a Libertarian Government.

But its easy to imagine for countries that have built impressive infrastructure, that the very infrastructure a libertarian government never builds, will continue be maintained and expanded when the Libertarians take over. And also easy to imagine that without government regulation greedy corporate abuse will vanish.

Such is the drivel I admit Ron Paul wholeheartedly believe in. The problem is it won't even meet the sniff test of even a half baked fantasy. Libertarian has never been tried before and for a very good reason. But its an appealing fantasy just like the tooth fairy.

That doesn't mean that we can't incorporate some aspects of libertarianism into our government and economic systems.

Consider the posts on the first page here...government shutting down online poker sites, government banning TV shows, etc, etc...Libertarianism would help get some of the morality legislation out of our government, which would be good for everyone.

But that's only half the equation. Fiscal conservatism would go a long, long way toward helping fix some of our financial problems.

Do we need to go lock-stock-and-barrel-hippie-Libertarian overnight? No. Heck, we don't even need to subscribe to a majority of the party tenants. But the ideal of personal liberty (the other side of this coin, which has also been lost, is personal responsibility) is something this country has lost and returning it would do a world of good.

Libertarianism is a hell of a lot less damaging to our country than the authoritarian corporatism we've been getting.

 

[Steeplerot]

Libertarianism is a hell of a lot less damaging to our country than the authoritarian corporatism we've been getting.

Same difference. right wing Libertarianism is authoritarian and corporatist to anyone who thinks about the inevitable wealth accumulation thanks to lessened protections for the average person.

This is why no one would try right wing libertarianism in the real world. You would have to be a fool or naive to willingly put humanity back into serfdom.

That is unless you are one of those who think they are entitled to be a sociopathic rich tyrant. Then it would not matter as libertarianism is a dream come true for you, for the regular working class folks, notsomuch.

 

[drebo]

So Libertarianism = serfom now?

Wow. That's hilarious.

Tell me...how, exactly, is wealth accumulation an inherently bad thing? The way I see it, natural wealth accumulation (capitalism) is a hell of a lot better than forced wealth accumulation (authoritarian corporatism (what we get now (you know, government picking winners and losers))).

 

[BoberFett]

Here comes another con hiding behind a collar, his only liberty is the almighty dollar

He aint no prophet he aint no hero, hes just a gynecologist 2 bit dollar stealer.

So send him y0 mo-ney!

ROFL!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=anLDS9WWPQW8

Who conned who? $740M for Black Bush? Hope he was worth it.

 

[Arglebargle]

I like Ron Paul....

Ron Paul is one of the most consistent and honest politicians there is.
This makes him unelectable in America.

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I don't agree with Ron Paul on a number of things, but I do admire his honesty. You know pretty much where you stand with him. If all of our politicians did the same, things would be a lot better.

And funnier....

 

[airdata]

He's got my vote.

But then I might not bother voting since it's kinda pointless.

 

[bfdd]

imo he's the only chance republicans have at getting an R into the white house. he's the only one different enough to run against Obama and not get blasted simply for being a Republican.

Obama will win in 2012 because the R's will run idiots again.

 

[wuliheron]

"I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible, but I can't remember your names."
George Carlin

Ron Paul won't even go down in history as one of the little people who made it possible. Why you wast your time and energy on such a loser is beyond me.

 

[bfdd]

"I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible, but I can't remember your names."
George Carlin

Ron Paul won't even go down in history as one of the little people who made it possible. Why you wast your time and energy on such a loser is beyond me.

because the winners don't seem to be doing that good of a job? We keep voting for them and we keep losing. Weird how that works... Maybe our perception of who is a winner and who is a loser is wrong?

 

[BoberFett]

"I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible, but I can't remember your names."
George Carlin

Ron Paul won't even go down in history as one of the little people who made it possible. Why you wast your time and energy on such a loser is beyond me.

Better to waste your time getting Bush and/or Black Bush elected? And then you wonder why nothing ever changes? You Republicrat cheerleaders are the epitome of stupidity.

 

[NoStateofMind]

because the winners don't seem to be doing that good of a job? We keep voting for them and we keep losing. Weird how that works... Maybe our perception of who is a winner and who is a loser is wrong?

Better to waste your time getting Bush and/or Black Bush elected? And then you wonder why nothing ever changes? You Republicrat cheerleaders are the epitome of stupidity.

 

[OutHouse]

Funny how both sides bitch at how bad a job the other side is doing. Then throw paul in there and both sides unite like starved wolves ripping him and anybody who supports him to shreds.

I like paul for many reasons, watching hardcore party chimps squirm when his name is brought up is one of them. So bring on the wolves while i wear a porkchop around my neck in support of paul

 

[BoberFett]

Frankly, I'd like to see a lot more Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich types in office. They may be a little bit crazy, but at least they're not actively trying to fuck this country over for their own personal gain.

 

[Doppel]

I wouldn't want him to be president but I do grant that he's only a shadow of the corporate whore that the inevitable next president will be.

They may be a little bit crazy, but at least they're not actively trying to fuck this country over for their own personal gain.

Exactly.

Then throw paul in there and both sides unite like starved wolves ripping him and anybody who supports him to shreds.

That's because dems and repubs are both hyenas in different packs, but Paul is a different species. It's also why a guy like him never has a chance. The corporate slaves (top tiers of dems and repubs) will resist change to somebody who doesn't play by their rules and ensure that the tamed population is given plenty of 30 second ads to ensure this.

 

[Siddhartha]

The GOP tends to choose nominees who have put in their time. Mr Nixon, Mr Dole, and Mr Mc Cain are examples of this. Maybe it is Mr Paul's turn.

 

[WildHorse]

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[Siddhartha]

If the GOP choose Mr Paul they would lose by the same magnitude Mr Goldwater lost back in 1964.

People might like not government that benefits other people but they sure love it when it is good for them. All the Democrats would have to do is go to the video tapes and let Mr Paul lose the election by himself.

Did Mr Paul ever get more than 2% of the vote in any of the GOP 2008 primaries?

 

[matt0611]

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Did Mr Paul ever get more than 2% of the vote in any of the GOP 2008 primaries?

Yes, he got 7-8% in some primaries, even tieing Guliani in some who was supposedly the frontrunner last election cycle.

 

[WelshBloke]

because the winners don't seem to be doing that good of a job? We keep voting for them and we keep losing. Weird how that works... Maybe our perception of who is a winner and who is a loser is wrong?

Thats because we (and I include most western countries here) expect politicians to fix things and expect that we have to do nothing or give anything.

 

[bfdd]

Thats because we (and I include most western countries here) expect politicians to fix things and expect that we have to do nothing or give anything.

Yeah, it's quite sad.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Ron who?

 

[KlokWyze]

One of the few Republicans with a shred of integrity (I like a few others). I don't agree with him on everything, but many things I do. Maybe the GOP should put another cancer-ridden corpse & bimbo media-stunt up just to see what happens. Last time a black president was elected. That must hurt.

 

[CallMeJoe]

The best thing about a 2012 Ron Paul candidacy is that it saves us from a 2012 Rand Paul presidential campaign.

 

[Craig234]

Funny how both sides bitch at how bad a job the other side is doing. Then throw OJ Simpson in there and both sides unite like starved wolves ripping him and anybody who supports him to shreds.

I like Simpson for many reasons, watching hardcore party chimps squirm when his name is brought up is one of them. So bring on the wolves while i wear a porkchop around my neck in support of Simpson

Just because someone is bad enough to unite fighting groups against him doesn't mean he's not bad.

 

[Craig234]

One of the few Republicans with a shred of integrity (I like a few others). I don't agree with him on everything, but many things I do. Maybe the GOP should put another cancer-ridden corpse & bimbo media-stunt up just to see what happens. Last time a black president was elected. That must hurt.

First, I'm not impressed by the Pauls' 'integrity', but Ron Paul does have the 'integrity of the zealot', i.e., he puts his ideology above some selfish interests.

Integrity is a great thing, but it's not enough. When you have someone who eith integrity believes in a bad and harmful ideology, it doesn't make him good for the country.

Whether someone votes for harmful policies out of corruption or supporting a bad ideology, the effect is similarly bad. His son - bad integrity IMO.