DPRK has Anthrax-tipped ICBMs and North Korean soldiers are immune to it

[realibrad]

Just develop an anthrax vaccine and be done with this. It is shocking that this wasn't done long ago.

There are, but you have to know the specific strain to be able to develop a vaccine. If NK developed a strain that is new then we can't make a vaccine.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just develop an anthrax vaccine and be done with this. It is shocking that this wasn't done long ago.

It already exists-

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/anthrax/public/index.html

It's given to some of our own military personnel. Does that mean we have anthrax bioweapons? If not, why does it mean something different for N Korea?

 

[FIVR]

It already exists-

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/anthrax/public/index.html

It's given to some of our own military personnel. Does that mean we have anthrax bioweapons? If not, why does it mean something different for N Korea?

Lol. Do you think the US lacks anthrax bioweapons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

 

[Jhhnn]

Lol. Do you think the US lacks anthrax bioweapons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

Yes. Research sized samples are not bioweapons. How else can vaccine given to our own military be created?

You just love stirring the shit about N Korea. In this thread they're evil masterminds out to destroy the world & in the other current thread they're victims of US Imperialism all at the same time.

 

[urvile]

So in your view Nukes are to do what? In my view, NK is holding onto power by holding millions of lives as hostage. SK is held hostage without nukes, even Bannon knew this. If I understand you correctly, nukes further the number of people held hostage. What I dont understand is why you think that holding SK hostage was not enough to ensure power. Other dictators had no such leverage that NK holds, and they were overthrown.

So why is holding SK without nukes not enough?

If NK has the capacity to build nukes then they will build them. It gives them power and the ability to nuke countries like japan. Which is far more realistic then the US being attacked btw. They could just detonate a nuke over japan. NK have already demonstrated their ability to fly their missiles over the land of the rising sun.

Why does Israel have nukes? For putting the fear of god into their enemies. Same as every other country that has nukes.

The whole premise of this thread sounds more than a little fanciful though. I still remember the gulf war (s).

 

[realibrad]

If NK has the capacity to build nukes then they will build them. It gives them power and the ability to nuke countries like japan. Which is far more realistic then the US being attacked btw. They could just detonate a nuke over japan. NK have already demonstrated their ability to fly their missiles over the land of the rising sun.

Why does Israel have nukes? For putting the fear of god into their enemies. Same as every other country that has nukes.

The whole premise of this thread sounds more than a little fanciful though. I still remember the gulf war (s).

Again, holding 10+ million is already enough. If he keeps increasing his threat, then at some point he will be seen as too big of a threat to leave alone. Will he stop at Japan?

 

[Darwin333]

Yes. Research sized samples are not bioweapons. How else can vaccine given to our own military be created?

You just love stirring the shit about N Korea. In this thread they're evil masterminds out to destroy the world & in the other current thread they're victims of US Imperialism all at the same time.

We don't have biological weapons today but make no mistake, at one time we did develop and produce numerous biological weapons including anthrax.

 

[Muse]

Well i I had two things on my mind. What to post regarding this thread and what to have for dinner. Now that the first is done I can get back to the question of what to I’m going to fix for dinner. You know, anthrax makes me think of beef, A tritip sounds nice.

That reminds me, I was thinking beef tonight as well. A cheap piece of teriyaki marinate I have in the freezer presently. Hold the anthrax. Mad cow, too.

 

[Darwin333]

Again, holding 10+ million is already enough. If he keeps increasing his threat, then at some point he will be seen as too big of a threat to leave alone. Will he stop at Japan?

How is 10+ million already not a big enough threat to leave alone? For Japan he doesn't even need missiles, he can currently get a warhead into Japan by boat or air quite easily I imagine. They wouldn't even need to unload it from a boat to nuke Tokyo so you could consider them already being at threat. Between the blast itself and the deaths from radiation sickness you could easily say another 10+ million people are at risk.

 

[Muse]

Why is any compromise with a dictator always Automatic Hitler?

We don't have a good option for destroying him militarily. Once you accept that the only question is what other options we have. Keeping him quiet through what are (to us) trivial sums of money and supplies in exchange for good behavior is simply smart foreign policy. Trump, unfortunately, isn't really into smart foreign policy.

Because it smacks of legitimizing nuclear blackmail. It's similar to paying ransom.

Even without "compromise" Kim (and NK in general) gets the satisfaction of getting attention, which is arguably the biggest payoff from his constant beating of his war machine drum. If NK completely dismantled their nuclear capabilities and sold off their nuclear material they'd quickly be a relatively ignored nation. Kim does not see the fun in that.

 

[rudder]

U.S. troops are vaccinated against anthrax. South Korea does not innoculate their soldiers. Maybe they should start.

 

[Jhhnn]

U.S. troops are vaccinated against anthrax. South Korea does not innoculate their soldiers. Maybe they should start.

Who knows? It's all just bullshit war mongering from the usual suspects. The consequences of any attack on the DPRK are incalculable. OTOH, any serious attack by them means their annihilation. They know it better than anybody else.

 

[Darwin333]

Because it smacks of legitimizing nuclear blackmail. It's similar to paying ransom.

Even without "compromise" Kim (and NK in general) gets the satisfaction of getting attention, which is arguably the biggest payoff from his constant beating of his war machine drum. If NK completely dismantled their nuclear capabilities and sold off their nuclear material they'd quickly be a relatively ignored nation. Kim does not see the fun in that.

You honestly think he is doing it for the lulz?

 

[Jaskalas]

If he keeps increasing his threat, then at some point he will be seen as too big of a threat to leave alone.

Kim already has ICBMs. They proved it this year.

As far as "too big of a threat", that's why the United States historically let them develop a nuclear weapons program in the first place. North Korea is not some weed that sprung up over night, they have been the biggest problem in Asia since the Korean War, backed by China. We cannot strike first without massive losses and likely world war.

You want to speak of delusional North Koreans, how about you tell us a first strike option that isn't terrible. One that doesn't result in our likely death. Topics on North Korea are a case study for locking Republicans up for suicidal thoughts. In adherence to MAD, the status quo is the only thing we have.

 

[realibrad]

How is 10+ million already not a big enough threat to leave alone? For Japan he doesn't even need missiles, he can currently get a warhead into Japan by boat or air quite easily I imagine. They wouldn't even need to unload it from a boat to nuke Tokyo so you could consider them already being at threat. Between the blast itself and the deaths from radiation sickness you could easily say another 10+ million people are at risk.

Exactly, building ICBMs really does not help as a prevention as they already have a damn good one. NK will not be able to build enough nukes to be a real threat for a few years as they cant build enough. But, the US will not want to be responsible for the body count so we will still hold off unless they launch first.

 

[realibrad]

Kim already has ICBMs. They proved it this year.

As far as "too big of a threat", that's why the United States historically let them develop a nuclear weapons program in the first place. North Korea is not some weed that sprung up over night, they have been the biggest problem in Asia since the Korean War, backed by China. We cannot strike first without massive losses and likely world war.

You want to speak of delusional North Koreans, how about you tell us a first strike option that isn't terrible. One that doesn't result in our likely death. Topics on North Korea are a case study for locking Republicans up for suicidal thoughts. In adherence to MAD, the status quo is the only thing we have.

I'm in agreement with the first part, but the 2nd part does not feel like it was supposed to be for me, as I am not for a first strike. All I have done is question the validity of MAD when one of the actors might not care and the leadership under the actor may see the leader as a god and follow anything commanded.

 

[Sicfast]

If NK has the capacity to build nukes then they will build them. It gives them power and the ability to nuke countries like japan. Which is far more realistic then the US being attacked btw. They could just detonate a nuke over japan. NK have already demonstrated their ability to fly their missiles over the land of the rising sun.

Why does Israel have nukes? For putting the fear of god into their enemies. Same as every other country that has nukes.

The whole premise of this thread sounds more than a little fanciful though. I still remember the gulf war (s).

Yep, scud missiles were all the rage then.

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[Darwin333]

I'm in agreement with the first part, but the 2nd part does not feel like it was supposed to be for me, as I am not for a first strike. All I have done is question the validity of MAD when one of the actors might not care and the leadership under the actor may see the leader as a god and follow anything commanded.

The problem that it doesn't matter if MAD is valid in this situation or not. There is no way that we can guarantee that he won't be able to nuke the shit out of Japan and South Korea before we wipe him out. So to strike first would be saying that we are willing to risk two of our close allies being annihilated because we are worried that North Korea will get the ability to hit the US with a nuke and he might do it. Not to mention the 10's of thousands of US servicemen that are well within his range and maybe losing a carrier battle fleet to a nuke too. The risks are just insane and if he truly is as nuts as you think he is he damn sure won't hesitate to do all of the above and more when faced with his own annihilation.

 

[BoomerD]

The story is sheer fucking genius on the part of the vaccine manufacturers. Look at all the money they'll make selling the anthrax vaccine to the Dept. of Defense to protect US troops...and people in SK....

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Do you realize their whole country is honeycombed with tunnels 1-5km underground?

This is astounding. NK not only has the deepest tunnels on the planet, it is honeycombed with them. Hell, even the internet doesn't know about this.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm in agreement with the first part, but the 2nd part does not feel like it was supposed to be for me, as I am not for a first strike. All I have done is question the validity of MAD when one of the actors might not care and the leadership under the actor may see the leader as a god and follow anything commanded.

If we back off and let their neighbors cultivate diplomatic and economic influence, there's less chance of starting a conflict. And more chance of helping evolve the power structure within North Korea. Slowly, and over time. My alternative to MAD is simple... we corrupt them. Though it'd be an inverse of the typically negative association with the word corrupt.

In exchange for food security and other trade essentials, we barter for human rights.

 

[FIVR]

This is astounding. NK not only has the deepest tunnels on the planet, it is honeycombed with them. Hell, even the internet doesn't know about this.

You never get tired of being humiliated on this topic, do you?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Tunnel_of_Aggression


Seriously, a cursory google search would've stopped you from exposing yourself as an ignorant chickenhawk... but I guess that's too much work.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You never get tired of being humiliated on this topic, do you?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Tunnel_of_Aggression


Seriously, a cursory google search would've stopped you from exposing yourself as an ignorant chickenhawk... but I guess that's too much work.

From the article you quoted

The incomplete tunnel is 1,635 metres (1.0 mile) long, of 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) maximum high and 2.1 m (6 ft 11 in) wide.[2] It runs through bedrock at a depth of about 73 m (240 ft)

Here are your words.
Do you realize their whole country is honeycombed with tunnels 1-5km underground?


1 km = 3281 feet.
5 km = 16404 feet.

Maximum depth of you tunnel- 240 feet.

 

[FIVR]

From the article you quoted

The incomplete tunnel is 1,635 metres (1.0 mile) long, of 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) maximum high and 2.1 m (6 ft 11 in) wide.[2] It runs through bedrock at a depth of about 73 m (240 ft)

Here are your words.
Do you realize their whole country is honeycombed with tunnels 1-5km underground?


1 km = 3281 feet.
5 km = 16404 feet.

Maximum depth of you tunnel- 240 feet.

Looks like you learned something new today! I guess North Korea does have tunnels, and "the internet" does know about them. That one was built in 1978. They've built more since then.

Your welcome.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looks like you learned something new today! I guess North Korea does have tunnels, and "the internet" does know about them. That one was built in 1978. They've built more since then.

Your welcome.

Most of interested in this subject have known about them for a long time. The astounding fact that 73 meters is equivalent to 1000 to 5000 meter, redefining spacetime and the laws of physics, is what I found astounding.

Thank you for demonstrating your intelligence, no, your genius, and very stable genius too