DPRK has Anthrax-tipped ICBMs and North Korean soldiers are immune to it

[realibrad]

Their missiles have anthrax warheads and their soldiers are immune to it, probably because they've already been given a vaccine. That means they could launch hundreds of strikes all over south korea while simultaneously launching an invasion with their millions of ground troops and not worry about losing a single soldier to the effects of their own weapons.

What's so hard to understand? It's checkmate. We have nothing to counter this and the our main hope has been to shoot down the few missiles on which he could put a nuke. Now we have to worry about every single theater ballistic missile (of which they have thousands) containing anthrax and we can't even be sure they won't strike the DMZ directly even though they have their own troops there.

Its no more of a check mate than before.

 

[FIVR]

realibrad will storm the beaches and take back Seol after North Korea overruns the whole country. Right after he points out that both sides started this conflict with North Korea.

 

[Victorian Gray]

A nuke is a nuke no matter whether the launcher is rich or poor and it will still do the same deed at the receiving end.

 

[jana519]

This headline sound like some shit straight out of a Metal Gear game. Unknown soldier from mysterious regime wakes up in the ICU ward of a hospital, his blood full of antibodies to all biological/chemical weapons. He starts ripping the IVs out of his arm and killing the guards and staff with psychic bullets...

 

[fskimospy]

I think that is a horrible idea. The reason the cold war was not the end of the world, was because both sides wanted to live and had people that wanted to live. NK has a leader that may very well give the command as he dies, and a people that might be brainwashed enough to do it. If you think M.A.D. is going to be the solution, then you must presume that he fears death. If he knows he is going to die, and there is nobody to stop him but many willing to follow him, then all you have done is make it worse. We are not dealing with self interested actors like we have before. What we have is a guy who has barricaded himself in while knowing that ultimately he cannot win. So he is buying time but once he realizes time has run out, what will he do?

What is any of this based on? There is no use in arguing against this sort of evidence free nonsense.

 

[bshole]

Different situation completely. A better comparison would be Vietnam. We could have gone in and firebombed the entire place, yet we did not. The reason for that was people around the world would be livid. The reason we let ourselves lose was because of that constraint.

So, let me ask you this, why does the US not go into other countries that do not have nukes? If the only thing stopping the US was is the fear of destruction, then why do we not wipe out those that do not have the ability to defend themselves?

If we wipe them out, that eliminates a profit center for the military industrial complex. Ever heard the phrase "follow the money"? Instead of wiping them out, it is much more lucrative to declare one terrorist group or another "freedom fighters" and drop VERY expensive ordinance on whomever they are fighting. Do you think it is some kind of mystery why Raytheon's stock price has more than quadrupled in the last 5 years while the DJIA has not even doubled?

So, who are the biggest "givers" when it comes to politicians and the 2013-2014 cycle? By order of generosity, it goes like this: Northrop Grumman (NYSE:NOC), Lockheed, Raytheon(NYSE:RTN), Boeing (NYSE:BA), and United Technologies (NYSE:UTX). Also interesting? In fiscal 2013, the top six defense contractors that were awarded prime contracts by the U.S. Department of Defense were, by order of amount received; Lockheed, Boeing, General Dynamics (which comes in at No. 6 for being most generous to politicians), Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and United Tech. Further, all of these defense contractors are among the top 10 biggest defense contractors in the world, when it comes to rankings by revenue.

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...nse-contractors-influencing-americas-pol.aspx

 

[realibrad]

What is any of this based on? There is no use in arguing against this sort of evidence free nonsense.

Which part? Do you disagree with M.A.D. working because the USSR did not want to die?

 

[realibrad]

If we wipe them out, that eliminates a profit center for the military industrial complex. Ever heard the phrase "follow the money"? Instead of wiping them out, it is much more lucrative to declare one terrorist group or another "freedom fighters" and drop VERY expensive ordinance on whomever they are fighting. Do you think it is some kind of mystery why Raytheon's stock price has more than quadrupled in the last 5 years while the DJIA has not even doubled?




https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...nse-contractors-influencing-americas-pol.aspx

So you think that the US wants enemies because people make money of defense and weapons. Why do you believe NK changes any of that? NK is pushing many to want to go to war which will destabilize the world shrinking economies and reducing profits. Seems like a bad economic idea to me.

 

[fskimospy]

Which part? Do you disagree with M.A.D. working because the USSR did not want to die?

Your ideas on the views of North Korea’s leadership are baseless. There is no point in discussing that sort of nonsense.

You’re just making things up.

 

[Bitek]

Leave the troll country on ignore.
Don't do/say anything until they do something.
If they do, it's mostly SKs and China's problem.
We can come in to mop up only if needed.

We only validate their behavior and attract further attention by reacting.
Don't feed the trolls.

 

[realibrad]

Your ideas on the views of North Korea’s leadership are baseless. There is no point in discussing that sort of nonsense.

You’re just making things up.

Again, what part? The fact that they view their leader as a god, or that they would follow his dying wish and launch?

It sure seemed like you were arguing a point about M.A.D. but if not, then let me know.

 

[fskimospy]

Again, what part? The fact that they view their leader as a god, or that they would follow his dying wish and launch?

It sure seemed like you were arguing a point about M.A.D. but if not, then let me know.

Please provide literally any evidence that North Korea's leadership is not a self interested actor.

 

[realibrad]

Please provide literally any evidence that North Korea's leadership is not a self interested actor.

To be fair, I said they might do it. My point is that the country is a massive cult, and if the leadership has also bought into it, they may support him. I hope they are self interested and are willing to stop him from going too far, but, I have seen nothing yet.

So what we have is a society that is largely brainwashed, and no way of knowing if the leadership is also. My fear is that if they are, what is to stop them from going along with Kim? You ask for evidence of lack of self interest and I say its the brainwashing of the majority of people. I cant say if the leadership is, but that is why I said I worried. Can you point to them being able or willing to disobey? There is a question on if people would disobey Trump, I would imagine disobeying Kim who is seen as a god by many would be less likely.

I hope they are self interested, because that is the only way to solve this with diplomacy. I would rather not see a war that kills millions, and if that means leaving Kim in power so be it.

 

[Darwin333]

Their missiles have anthrax warheads and their soldiers are immune to it, probably because they've already been given a vaccine. That means they could launch hundreds of strikes all over south korea while simultaneously launching an invasion with their millions of ground troops and not worry about losing a single soldier to the effects of their own weapons.

What's so hard to understand? It's checkmate. We have nothing to counter this and the our main hope has been to shoot down the few missiles on which he could put a nuke. Now we have to worry about every single theater ballistic missile (of which they have thousands) containing anthrax and we can't even be sure they won't strike the DMZ directly even though they have their own troops there.

How is it checkmate? If they attack S. Korea they take their biggest card off the table and we immediately start wiping them out. If they are stupid enough to fire an ICBM at us we will retaliate with a devastating nuclear attack that will completely wipe N. Korea off the map. Even if one or two of their missiles make it through, the US will survive but they most certainly will not.

At the end of the day what dear leader wants more than anything is to remain dear leader and to do that he needs to be alive. Eventually he will want his son to carry on his legacy just like his father did which again, requires surviving and a country to rule.

 

[Darwin333]

I think that is a horrible idea. The reason the cold war was not the end of the world, was because both sides wanted to live and had people that wanted to live. NK has a leader that may very well give the command as he dies, and a people that might be brainwashed enough to do it. If you think M.A.D. is going to be the solution, then you must presume that he fears death. If he knows he is going to die, and there is nobody to stop him but many willing to follow him, then all you have done is make it worse. We are not dealing with self interested actors like we have before. What we have is a guy who has barricaded himself in while knowing that ultimately he cannot win. So he is buying time but once he realizes time has run out, what will he do?

So pretend like you are the Commander in Chief, what would you do about them based on everything you currently know?

 

[realibrad]

So pretend like you are the Commander in Chief, what would you do about them based on everything you currently know?

Find every goddamn way to make them stop what they are doing through diplomacy. Get the international community to make it absolutely clear that provocation will not be accepted and that if needed military force is an option, all while believing that there is a 99.9% chance that would be a bluff. If diplomacy fails then try to get him killed while having someone or others be able to step in to fill the power vacuum.

Honestly, I don't know if I could give the order to attack preemptively know it would set off millions of deaths.

 

[FIVR]

How is it checkmate? If they attack S. Korea they take their biggest card off the table and we immediately start wiping them out. If they are stupid enough to fire an ICBM at us we will retaliate with a devastating nuclear attack that will completely wipe N. Korea off the map. Even if one or two of their missiles make it through, the US will survive but they most certainly will not.

At the end of the day what dear leader wants more than anything is to remain dear leader and to do that he needs to be alive. Eventually he will want his son to carry on his legacy just like his father did which again, requires surviving and a country to rule.

"wipe them off the map" lol you are delusional. Do you realize their whole country is honeycombed with tunnels 1-5km underground? You could drop the entire nuclear arsenal of the US on them and you wouldn't "wipe them off the map". Not only that, in doing so you would produce so much fallout and kill so many Chinese they would Nuke the US in retaliation. Take a look at the air currents that run over North Korea and see where the fallout goes, that tells you what options you really have if you want to avoid the total annihilation of the planet. You have no options for using nuclear weapons, all you get to do is use conventional strikes. The chinese will not tolerate nuclear war on the korean peninsula started by the US, so if Kim Jong Un launches conventional ICBMs tipped with anthrax in retaliation to some idiotic provocation by Trump your only options are to use conventional weapons and maybe a few tactical nuclear weapons which will not be enough to beat the North Koreans. The US military is fucked either way. It's checkmate.


We need to send money and food and gifts to North Korea. Our idiotic threats and provocations have done nothing but encourage Kim to act more belligerently. It's time to switch to a benevolent foreign policy and accept North Korea as a new member of the world economy and a Nuclear state.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

"wipe them off the map" lol you are delusional. Do you realize their whole country is honeycombed with tunnels 1-5km underground? You could drop the entire nuclear arsenal of the US on them and you wouldn't "wipe them off the map". Not only that, in doing so you would produce so much fallout and kill so many Chinese they would Nuke the US in retaliation. Take a look at the air currents that run over North Korea and see where the fallout goes, that tells you what options you really have if you want to avoid the total annihilation of the planet. You have no options for using nuclear weapons, all you get to do is use conventional strikes. The chinese will not tolerate nuclear war on the korean peninsula started by the US, so if Kim Jong Un launches conventional ICBMs tipped with anthrax in retaliation to some idiotic provocation by Trump your only options are to use conventional weapons and maybe a few tactical nuclear weapons which will not be enough to beat the North Koreans. The US military is fucked either way. It's checkmate.


We need to send money and food and gifts to North Korea. Our idiotic threats and provocations have done nothing but encourage Kim to act more belligerently. It's time to switch to a benevolent foreign policy and accept North Korea as a new member of the world economy and a Nuclear state.

OUR idiotic threats and provocations? Aren't you a good little Quisling. Assassination is the way to go.

 

[FIVR]

OUR idiotic threats and provocations? Aren't you a good little Quisling. Assassination is the way to go.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914565910798782465?lang=en


If Dump was a normal President he wouldn't be scared of a little fat man in his tiny isolated kingdom, regardless of what weapons and rockets he tested. Bush and Obama both ignored him and everything was fine. There is nothing we can do about his tests or his development of new weapons anyway.

Assassination certainly should've been the plan, but it appears US intelligence agencies are incapable of doing so. I doubt they have a single agent in North Korea period. They are incompetent but the US public has been brainwashed into thinking the CIA can kill anybody and do anything, so their funding will never be cut. Ever.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914565910798782465?lang=en


If Dump was a normal President he wouldn't be scared of a little fat man in his tiny isolated kingdom, regardless of what weapons and rockets he tested. Bush and Obama both ignored him and everything was fine. There is nothing we can do about his tests or his development of new weapons anyway.

Assassination certainly should've been the plan, but it appears US intelligence agencies are incapable of doing so. I doubt they have a single agent in North Korea period. They are incompetent but the US public has been brainwashed into thinking the CIA can kill anybody and do anything, so their funding will never be cut. Ever.

The problem with Dear leader hardly started with Trump. As for assassination, regardless of your opinion of the CIA, they aren't the only game in town.

 

[Sicfast]

Time to restart project Pluto.

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[Jhhnn]

Again, what part? The fact that they view their leader as a god, or that they would follow his dying wish and launch?

It sure seemed like you were arguing a point about M.A.D. but if not, then let me know.

Please. Kim is the leader & figurehead of a military junta, not a religious cult like Jonestown. The motivation for all such regimes is to stay in power, not to destroy themselves. They have good intelligence services & undoubtedly have a much more pragmatic understanding of their position than all the fear mongers in the world put together. They'd kill Kim & claim he was poisoned by spies before they'll attack anybody.

 

[realibrad]

Please. Kim is the leader & figurehead of a military junta, not a religious cult like Jonestown. The motivation for all such regimes is to stay in power, not to destroy themselves. They have good intelligence services & undoubtedly have a much more pragmatic understanding of their position than all the fear mongers in the world put together. They'd kill Kim & claim he was poisoned by spies before they'll attack anybody.

A leader and figurehead that happens to be removing people in the position to defy him. How many of those people that you seem to think will stop him, has he killed already? I can admit that I am not absolutely sure that they will follow him, but, I also do think its certain that they will oppose him and that is what has me worried.

The big worry I have with Trump is that his bluster may push NK into a situation where they believe war is impossible to avoid and say "screw it". Trump has the diplomacy of a potato and he may very well be the thing that escalates as that is what he likes to do. I think Trump's goal is to keep poking the bear until something happens.

 

[cytg111]

Their missiles have anthrax warheads and their soldiers are immune to it, probably because they've already been given a vaccine. That means they could launch hundreds of strikes all over south korea while simultaneously launching an invasion with their millions of ground troops and not worry about losing a single soldier to the effects of their own weapons.

What's so hard to understand? It's checkmate. We have nothing to counter this and the our main hope has been to shoot down the few missiles on which he could put a nuke. Now we have to worry about every single theater ballistic missile (of which they have thousands) containing anthrax and we can't even be sure they won't strike the DMZ directly even though they have their own troops there.

I was contemplating the C in ICBM. Without the tactical backgroud it sounds to me that using icbms to hit SK is the wrong tool for the job. Might be wrong.

 

[bshole]

Just develop an anthrax vaccine and be done with this. It is shocking that this wasn't done long ago.