downloading tv show from website illegal?

imported_judge

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I was told by a friend that downloading tv shows from website is illegal. What i am confused, if I can legally record tv show using my vcr why can't i download it off a website?
 

DannyLove

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I never heard of downloading tv shows from websites.... IRC, thats a whole different story.
 

apac

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IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.
 

imported_judge

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Originally posted by: apac
IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.

even do that person is not making any profit?

 

AFB

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Originally posted by: apac
IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.

So I can download Starwars because it was shown on TV ?
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: judge
Originally posted by: apac
IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.

even do that person is not making any profit?

Distribution does not imply profit.
 

EyeMWing

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It's a big, ugly, stupid gray area. Our copyright law wasn't designed for the Internet, thus all the stupid garbage that Orrin Hatch keeps proposing that would effectively shut down teh intarweb.
 

apac

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: judge
Originally posted by: apac
IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.

even do that person is not making any profit?

Distribution does not imply profit.

Think of it this way. For every copy distributed, even for free of charge, thats one less potential customer to earn the company money (in this case, a television network).
 

imported_judge

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thx everyone for reply, guess its illegal. Still kind of confuse on how you can set vcr to download something or just download the same video of a website for free
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: judge
thx everyone for reply, guess its illegal. Still kind of confuse on how you can set vcr to download something or just download the same video of a website for free

The commercials. It's all about the commercials.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
It's a big, ugly, stupid gray area. Our copyright law wasn't designed for the Internet, thus all the stupid garbage that Orrin Hatch keeps proposing that would effectively shut down teh intarweb.

Getting rid of copyright solves this problem, right?
 

EMPshockwave82

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Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Originally posted by: apac
IIRC, it's perfectly legal to record anything on TV for your own personal use, but it's illegal to distribute. Therefore if you download it, you're downloading it from a distributor which makes it illegal for you to own.

So I can download Starwars because it was shown on TV ?

so where did he say you could download anything that was played on your tv?? he didn't, that's right. While it's being aired on television, weather it's through cable, satelite, or antenna, you can use your VCR to tape it for your own personal use in the future. You may NOT, however, LEGALLY download any television show in the united states.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
It's a big, ugly, stupid gray area. Our copyright law wasn't designed for the Internet, thus all the stupid garbage that Orrin Hatch keeps proposing that would effectively shut down teh intarweb.

Getting rid of copyright solves this problem, right?

No. I'm realistic about this stuff. Neither of the two extremes will be beneficial to anybody, and it certainly isn't acceptable to leave things alone. Rest assured that no copyright laws will ever stop piracy. Nor will any copy protection mechanism. So long as it's perceptible to humans at one point or another, there's a way for us to capture it and redistribute it. The trick is making the laws so that they'll discourage the layman while providing for the continued growth of technology. Not an easy balance to strike by any means.
 

mugs

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It's illegal. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that recording on a VCR is not the same as downloading from a website.

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imported_judge

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Originally posted by: mugs
It's illegal. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that recording on a VCR is not the same as downloading from a website.

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both are rececording media. One is digital another one is not. Ifa both are identical with commercials and everything else then it shoudn't matter if its digital or not but guess some judge decided there is a difference
 

SuperTool

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It doesn't matter. I am not voting in this poll.
The real question is is it immoral, not is it illegal.
 

EMPshockwave82

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Originally posted by: judge
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It doesn't matter. I am not voting in this poll.
The real question is is it immoral, not is it illegal.

how could it be immoral?

legally it is considered stealing property since the copy you get is digital on your computer, yet the copy on a VCR's cassette tape would be analog.

Since stealing property is illegal it is also immoral
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: judge
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It doesn't matter. I am not voting in this poll.
The real question is is it immoral, not is it illegal.

how could it be immoral?

legally it is considered stealing property since the copy you get is digital on your computer, yet the copy on a VCR's cassette tape would be analog.

Since stealing property is illegal it is also immoral

Legally, I believe, it's copyright infringement.
 

Iron Woode

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Legally, you can download certain shows because they (the copyright holders) have allowed you too.

I believe there is a British show that is available to download from the shows own website.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
n0cmonkey: symantics

Unfortunately, there are people out that that make hundreds of dollars per hour all because of semantics (lawyers). ;)