DownGrading To XP

[tm37]

Laura McColley : I was wondering if I ws to experence any issues downgrading to Windows XP
[An agent will be with you shortly.]
[You are now chatting with Solomon .]
Solomon : Hello Laura
Solomon : Welcome to HP Total Care for HP Notebooks. How may I help you today?
Laura McColley : I do not see any driver for XP
Laura McColley : Are there any availible?
Solomon : May I know your notebook model number ?
Laura McColley : cq50-139wm
Solomon : Thank you for that.
Solomon : Let me explain this.
Solomon : Laura, I see that the notebook is designed for Vista operating system and HP does not recommend you to change preinstalled operating system and also HP does NOT provide XP-compatible drivers for PCs that were designed exclusively for Vista. However, if you want you can install XP on your notebook.
Laura McColley : OK but were would I get the required dirvers .
Solomon : Here is the web link, which will guide you more information about downgrading from vista to XP.
Solomon : http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr...&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

Solomon : Note: Please do not click on the above link. Copy and paste the link to the new Internet explorer address bar.
Solomon : Laura, the drivers are not available for XP operating system for your notebook. However, if you want I will search for the drivers and provide you but those drivers may or may not work. We do not have any tested data on it.
Solomon : However, if you want you can try by installing them.


Solomon : Shall I provide you the driver links for XP for your notebook ?
Laura McColley : Found them and there is only for You hot key software
Laura McColley : nothing for chipset drivers
Laura McColley : ANy chance I could get chipset informationso I ca do some research?
Solomon : Sure, let me check for the specifications of the notebook.
Solomon : Thank you for your time
Laura McColley : CHipset MB info?
Solomon : I see that your notebook is shipped with "Intel Chipset Installation Utility for ICH9m" chipset device


ANy ODea if I can make the switch

We will be using this for Cubscouts and Just basic stuff

The model is cq50-139wm and I am not seeing any information on loading XP

 

[mechBgon]

Any particular reason you want to go backwards? Just on the security aspect, Vista's holding all the aces, plus the Parental Controls option (assuming you don't have Vista Home Basic). Cub Scouts + computer... eeek.


If you do install XP, I strongly suggest setting up a non-Admin user account and taking some other security precautions. http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html

 

[tm37]

Basically it boils down to I know Xp Pretty well and do not want to lerarn.

WHe I say it is used for cub scouts I mean we the leaders not the scouts. 😉

 

[andersonmanly]

I tackled getting Vista off this laptop and XP onto it. It's definetly not as easy as it seems, the hardest part being the device drivers. If you choose to attempt to downgrade to XP on this laptop, I made an ISO image of the drivers I used to get mine working. Hope it can help someone else!

Link to the ISO image: http://tinyurl.com/6792m5

 

[Tempered81]

I put xp on my dell vostro 1400 before dell supported it. Now dell has all the xp device drivers available for download from the website because so many people wanted to downgrade. Also they offer xp as an OS choice when customizing - which they didn't originally.

check notebookreview.com for some help with drivers, slipstreaming, sataII, and intel storage matrix / AHCI.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: andersonmanly
I tackled getting Vista off this laptop and XP onto it. It's definetly not as easy as it seems, the hardest part being the device drivers. If you choose to attempt to downgrade to XP on this laptop, I made an ISO image of the drivers I used to get mine working. Hope it can help someone else!

Link to the ISO image: http://tinyurl.com/6792m5

Downloaded.

Where did you find the drivers?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: tm37
Basically it boils down to I know Xp Pretty well and do not want to lerarn.

WHe I say it is used for cub scouts I mean we the leaders not the scouts. 😉

Then I still recommend my aforementioned link for securing WinXP. The world's not getting any safer, for the leaders or the kids, but you can take steps to make WinXP quite secure.

Personally, I didn't find Vista difficult to learn, and really don't miss WinXP. Maybe you should try Vista before you give up 🙂

 

[andersonmanly]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: andersonmanly
I tackled getting Vista off this laptop and XP onto it. It's definetly not as easy as it seems, the hardest part being the device drivers. If you choose to attempt to downgrade to XP on this laptop, I made an ISO image of the drivers I used to get mine working. Hope it can help someone else!

Link to the ISO image: http://tinyurl.com/6792m5

Downloaded.

Where did you find the drivers?

Mostly directly from the manufacturer website. The exception is the Atheros wifi driver, which for some reason, I just couldn't find. After a tip I read on a forum, turns out that the driver that they provide on Compaq's website for Vista works perfectly in XP. Go figure.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: tm37
Basically it boils down to I know Xp Pretty well and do not want to lerarn.

WHe I say it is used for cub scouts I mean we the leaders not the scouts. 😉

Then I still recommend my aforementioned link for securing WinXP. The world's not getting any safer, for the leaders or the kids, but you can take steps to make WinXP quite secure.

Personally, I didn't find Vista difficult to learn, and really don't miss WinXP. Maybe you should try Vista before you give up 🙂

There is a part of me that agrees HOWEVER with 5 other computers in the house it is far easier to support one OS than 2 😉

In fact the company I work for will not allow us to put vista computer on the network. I can bring my personal computer in and plug right in no problem with XP, not so with Vista.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: andersonmanly

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: andersonmanly
I tackled getting Vista off this laptop and XP onto it. It's definetly not as easy as it seems, the hardest part being the device drivers. If you choose to attempt to downgrade to XP on this laptop, I made an ISO image of the drivers I used to get mine working. Hope it can help someone else!

Link to the ISO image: http://tinyurl.com/6792m5

Downloaded.

Where did you find the drivers?

Mostly directly from the manufacturer website. The exception is the Atheros wifi driver, which for some reason, I just couldn't find. After a tip I read on a forum, turns out that the driver that they provide on Compaq's website for Vista works perfectly in XP. Go figure.

Thanks

I am going to give it a shot this week I think

Wife is still considering if she wants to move forward with this.

 

[mechBgon]

In fact the company I work for will not allow us to put vista computer on the network. I can bring my personal computer in and plug right in

They have a policy of letting people connect non-company computers to the network? Now I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on :Q

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

In fact the company I work for will not allow us to put vista computer on the network. I can bring my personal computer in and plug right in

They have a policy of letting people connect non-company computers to the network? Now I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on :Q

I am not going to even try and deny that it is the stupidest policy ever!

Butwe have customerscomein and they can plug right in.

Unless they are running vista

 

[mechBgon]

Good, so at least the Vista users are safe from your employer's poorly-run network, then :evil:😉

 

[pinecone]

So, has anyone had 100% success in going back to XP on this computer. I'm thinking of returning mine, only because I have several programs that must run under XP. What to do?

 

[Maximilian]

Downgrading to XP on my laptop was a PITA because half the things on it dont have drivers. Upgrading to Vista on my laptop was also a PITA because vista dosent like AHCI harddrives.

So i guess what im saying is do research first, have drivers ready on a cd/pendrive and if someone else has already done what you are trying to it that makes it easier. I got my info from "http://forum.notebookreview.com/" Sorry i cant be more specific.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: tm37

In fact the company I work for will not allow us to put vista computer on the network.

Amazing! They don't let a secure OS on their network. I'm guessing you cant plug in a Linux box or OSX machine, either.

Oh, and one more thing: Don't delete your restore partition! You may find you'll want Vista in the future, and then you'll have to jump through hoops to get it installed, when you could simply hit restore and be done in an hour or so.

 

[LumbergTech]

so tired of the pro-vista zealots

and in this case its a mod, why dont you lay off of this guy and let him do what he wants..

jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

he wasnt insulting vista for the purpose of swaying others, he wants to use xp on his goddamn laptop, probably because it runs a lot quicker on slower computers

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
so tired of the pro-vista zealots

and in this case its a mod, why dont you lay off of this guy and let him do what he wants..

jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

he wasnt insulting vista for the purpose of swaying others, he wants to use xp on his goddamn laptop, probably because it runs a lot quicker on slower computers

I am still trying to figure out what is so zealous about mechBgon's post? He made a few suggestions on how to properly secure XP and expressed his dismay that a company would have such a lax policy to connecting outside computers to a companies network. There is nothing zealous about recommending people to actually try Vista first before they dump it.

Seriously, lighten up.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
so tired of the pro-vista zealots

and in this case its a mod, why dont you lay off of this guy and let him do what he wants..

jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

he wasnt insulting vista for the purpose of swaying others, he wants to use xp on his goddamn laptop, probably because it runs a lot quicker on slower computers

I am still trying to figure out what is so zealous about mechBgon's post? He made a few suggestions on how to properly secure XP and expressed his dismay that a company would have such a lax policy to connecting outside computers to a companies network. There is nothing zealous about recommending people to actually try Vista first before they dump it.

Seriously, lighten up.

sorry if i came off rude, i just get a little fed up... every time i see an xp thread i see at least 5 or 6 pro-vista posts and its annoying..if he wanted to use vista he wouldnt be posting about xp

i appreciate that the mod did offer him sound advice on how to make xp more secure...im sure he didnt have ill intent..i just dont think vista is all its cracked up to be, its fine, but for laptops that generally are slower, xp is a lot zippier




"Any particular reason you want to go backwards? Just on the security aspect, Vista's holding all the aces, plus the Parental Controls option (assuming you don't have Vista Home Basic). Cub Scouts + computer... eeek. "



"Good, so at least the Vista users are safe from your employer's poorly-run network, then"
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"In fact the company I work for will not allow us to put vista computer on the network. I can bring my personal computer in and plug right in"


"They have a policy of letting people connect non-company computers to the network? Now I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on"
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"Then I still recommend my aforementioned link for securing WinXP. The world's not getting any safer, for the leaders or the kids, but you can take steps to make WinXP quite secure.
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Personally, I didn't find Vista difficult to learn, and really don't miss WinXP. Maybe you should try Vista before you give up"

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
so tired of the pro-vista zealots

and in this case its a mod, why dont you lay off of this guy and let him do what he wants..

jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

he wasnt insulting vista for the purpose of swaying others, he wants to use xp on his goddamn laptop, probably because it runs a lot quicker on slower computers

I am still trying to figure out what is so zealous about mechBgon's post? He made a few suggestions on how to properly secure XP and expressed his dismay that a company would have such a lax policy to connecting outside computers to a companies network. There is nothing zealous about recommending people to actually try Vista first before they dump it.

Seriously, lighten up.

:thumbsup:

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

Someone who doesn't have the technical background to find the needed drivers on his/her own probably isn't the best candidate to ignore HP's warning:

"Issues you will experience if you downgrade from Vista to XP

If you have an HP Pavilion or Compaq Presario consumer notebook PC that shipped with Windows Vista, you should not attempt to downgrade to Windows XP. Changing the operating system (OS) will cause severe operational problems. Many of the components, such as sound, video, graphics, network connectivity, drives, or other devices and peripherals, may have limited functionality, or may not work at all. You should do some research on the support policies of hardware and software manufacturers, and review the problems experienced by other users, before you consider changing the operating system."

 

[hanoverphist]

thats what guest wireless is for. I also have a separate switch for "public use" here in our office, especially for sales and customers to use if they dont have wireless. it has no connection to my internal switches, but still has internet access out. it isnt a lax policy, maybe they have concessions in place for non-domain puters that link up?

and for your problem, why not dual boot, if the HDD is large enough? im not pro or con on vista, mainly due to not being able to use it at work due to software we run not working on it, but have played around with it on friends machines. not the horrible mess its made out to be, but i havent used it enough to see any real issues at all.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

Someone who doesn't have the technical background to find the needed drivers on his/her own probably isn't the best candidate to ignore HP's warning:

"Issues you will experience if you downgrade from Vista to XP

If you have an HP Pavilion or Compaq Presario consumer notebook PC that shipped with Windows Vista, you should not attempt to downgrade to Windows XP. Changing the operating system (OS) will cause severe operational problems. Many of the components, such as sound, video, graphics, network connectivity, drives, or other devices and peripherals, may have limited functionality, or may not work at all. You should do some research on the support policies of hardware and software manufacturers, and review the problems experienced by other users, before you consider changing the operating system."

and that is just plain wrong. Making hardware firmware to only work with one specific operating system over the instruction set of the CPU is just plain wrong and backwards, period.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
jesus christ , it seems like you are getting paid to try to swat down people who dont want to use it

Someone who doesn't have the technical background to find the needed drivers on his/her own probably isn't the best candidate to ignore HP's warning:

"Issues you will experience if you downgrade from Vista to XP

If you have an HP Pavilion or Compaq Presario consumer notebook PC that shipped with Windows Vista, you should not attempt to downgrade to Windows XP. Changing the operating system (OS) will cause severe operational problems. Many of the components, such as sound, video, graphics, network connectivity, drives, or other devices and peripherals, may have limited functionality, or may not work at all. You should do some research on the support policies of hardware and software manufacturers, and review the problems experienced by other users, before you consider changing the operating system."

and that is just plain wrong. Making hardware firmware to only work with one specific operating system over the instruction set of the CPU is just plain wrong and backwards, period.

So that means my SATA hard drive should work natively with my Windows 98SE desktop right? I mean why should they limit out my operating system for advancements.

Not all new hardware is compatible with crappy XP sherlock. Alot of it is coming out as Vista only.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
So that means my SATA hard drive should work natively with my Windows 98SE desktop right? I mean why should they limit out my operating system for advancements.

Not all new hardware is compatible with crappy XP sherlock. Alot of it is coming out as Vista only.

Yes, but in your particular case, all SATA controllers have an IDE emulation mode in them. But some BIOSes are intentionally crippled, such that the system runs in AHCI mode all the time. But XP isn't compatible out-of-the-box with AHCI. It's a gratuitous incompatibility that could be easily fixed. But some of these mfgs are paid under-the-table to only support the latest and greatest, not the widest range possible.

Speaking of which, is this particular laptop "locked" into AHCI mode, or does it support IDE emulation mode too? Just wondering how much trouble I will have to go to to install XP on it.