DOW2 released today, anyone here play it yet?

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Qbah

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Could someone comment on how does it compare to Chaos Gate? Yeah, that one was turn based and from waaay back (think X-Com: Apocalyspe... Win95 :p) but the game was still awesome, had an incredible atmosphere. If it's like Chaos Gate but in real time, I'm gonna be all over it :D
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: Qbah
Could someone comment on how does it compare to Chaos Gate? Yeah, that one was turn based and from waaay back (think X-Com: Apocalyspe... Win95 :p) but the game was still awesome, had an incredible atmosphere. If it's like Chaos Gate but in real time, I'm gonna be all over it :D

Chaos Gate was unfortunately a game that I never got to play.

Having been scouring the Relic Forums for a good month or two and especially since the full game was released, I found someone did compare it to Chaos Game and linked some similarities.

Link to a thread on Relic Forums that I found via search feature. Should help!
 

Qbah

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Originally posted by: Elcs
Chaos Gate was unfortunately a game that I never got to play.

Having been scouring the Relic Forums for a good month or two and especially since the full game was released, I found someone did compare it to Chaos Game and linked some similarities.

Link to a thread on Relic Forums that I found via search feature. Should help!

Chaos Gate was such an amazing game (still is imo). The music was giving the game an incredible feel. And thanks for the link, people seem to enjoy it quite a bit, though it looks like there are only a few similarities with WH40K:CG. I think I'll wait till there's a weekend sale or something on Steam and then grab it.

 

ZzZGuy

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Well, after bringing my laptop down to a friends house and playing co-op in the campaign for a few hours I have to say this game is truly awesome. I was crowed control with the dreadnought & heavy bolter squad, he took out high value targets with the sniper team and force commander.

MP is fun too. But I can imagine it getting a little dry if your just playing by yourself.
 

MarcVenice

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Originally posted by: nosfe
scouts are fun to play with, once you have the ability to maintain cloak when using items. Go in front of a big pack of enemies, plant the remote detonation bomb thingy and blow them all up. Sure, its faster to just right click on them with all your squads but on higher difficulty settings it won't work very well

Well, in the end, when I could end the campaign, I did some defending missions just to use the scouts. I did actually what you said, and sure it's a little fun, but it's no more effective then a artillery strike, or the shoulder missiles, or hellfire bolter barrage of Thule. And they die way to fast.
 

nosfe

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i didn't say they're more effective than high end gear at pure dps but the remote bomb is replenishable by ammo packs so you can plant o ton of them. You can also give them frag grenades and they can throw them while staying cloaked, or even snipe targets while remaining cloaked. The reason why i started using them was that thadeus was dieing way to often on captain difficulty and i like doing unconventional stuff(very few people use scouts in the campaign). I don't think i'd want to play the campaign now without them, i got too used the knowing the enemies numbers before i go into a fight and bombing them if necessary. True, they die fast when targeted but you have cloaking and the AI doesn't like to change targets once he's locked on to a unit so it's easy to keep them alive by decloaking them only after the enemy troops started rushing your squads
 

Koudelka

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SP is drab, but i'm totally hooked on MP.

I just love playing Tyranids and swarming the enemy. Nothing better than watching enemy units + commander trying to retreat but cannot even move because they're surrouned by 2 dozen gaunts.

EDIT: Unfortunately you gotta be careful because there is currently a population cap bug that occurs quite often.

Relic says they've known about it for a while and has had a fix but is battling with GFWL to get it fixed, etc.

Regardless.. Relic loves to create quick hotfixes and walk away while those hotfixes create even worse bugs. The pop cap bug was actually caused by one of the previous patches as it wasnt in beta.

Its no fun having 2-3 squads equaling maybe 30/100 pop but its currently stuck at 95/100 and now youre getting beat on helplessly.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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Well, I've come to the conclusion this game is just plain bad. I can only assume their target market was cyborg rts micromanagement jockeys, because you have to be one to get your squads to behave properly. One too many time I've caught a squad, sitting in the middle of a battle, doing absolutely nothing.

I figure maybe there's a toggleable option that for some reason is set to 'idiot', look in options-game....and there are like 3 whole options. Can't even remap keys.

It desperately needs to be fixed so that unit behavior is at least as smart as it was in DoW1. Or warcraft 3. Or warcraft 1, for that matter.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Well, I've come to the conclusion this game is just plain bad. I can only assume their target market was cyborg rts micromanagement jockeys, because you have to be one to get your squads to behave properly. One too many time I've caught a squad, sitting in the middle of a battle, doing absolutely nothing.

I figure maybe there's a toggleable option that for some reason is set to 'idiot', look in options-game....and there are like 3 whole options. Can't even remap keys.

It desperately needs to be fixed so that unit behavior is at least as smart as it was in DoW1. Or warcraft 3. Or warcraft 1, for that matter.

Simple, they need Stances.

Relic's forums have been chockerblock with people telling Relic that we need stances.

ie. Assault Squad shouldn't sit about 5 metres away from a Tyranid shooty swarm and just get shot to pieces. An 'Assault Stance' should tell them to charge into melee and kick some rear end.

The AI in this regard really puts me off trying the difficulty above Sergeant because I sometimes struggle now.
 

Eeezee

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If you purchase a retail copy, can it be activated on Steam? Has anyone tried this?
 

xSkyDrAx

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The micro isn't that bad in this game considering you use 4 units at most at any one time. Play it more like a real time tactical game instead of a RTS and everything gets a lot easier. With that said, the scout is great. Play on primarch difficulty and you'll see that instant revive is probably the best thing you can have. That plus avitus w/ a plasma cannon to stave off any incoming rushes and thaddeus to stomp everything till he gets termy armor. You do have to do A LOT of retreating though but the desperate struggles give the game an epic feeling of pitting a few against a horde and winning.
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: Elcs
Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Well, I've come to the conclusion this game is just plain bad. I can only assume their target market was cyborg rts micromanagement jockeys, because you have to be one to get your squads to behave properly. One too many time I've caught a squad, sitting in the middle of a battle, doing absolutely nothing.

I figure maybe there's a toggleable option that for some reason is set to 'idiot', look in options-game....and there are like 3 whole options. Can't even remap keys.

It desperately needs to be fixed so that unit behavior is at least as smart as it was in DoW1. Or warcraft 3. Or warcraft 1, for that matter.

Simple, they need Stances.

Relic's forums have been chockerblock with people telling Relic that we need stances.

ie. Assault Squad shouldn't sit about 5 metres away from a Tyranid shooty swarm and just get shot to pieces. An 'Assault Stance' should tell them to charge into melee and kick some rear end.

The AI in this regard really puts me off trying the difficulty above Sergeant because I sometimes struggle now.

Yes, that annoyed me a great deal with close combat units. Ranged units where not a problem as they could reach out and hurt someone, but for units like the force commander it's like baby sitting a retard. If this is truly a big turn off for you wait until you have someone else to play co-op with through the campaign as it's much easier to manage only two units rather then the four.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
If you purchase a retail copy, can it be activated on Steam? Has anyone tried this?

Me and my friend bought a hard copy of DoW II and it still uses steam. Just install it and it'll guide you through the process. You also need to make a windows live account for MP (built in voice chat) and it seems to access your save games (doesn't transfer to another computer when using the same account as far as I can tell). Got to get around to finding out if it all works offline so I can send or not send a angry email.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
If you purchase a retail copy, can it be activated on Steam? Has anyone tried this?

It not merely can be activated on Steam, it must be. This game is completely tied into both Steam of GFWL.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: Elcs
Originally posted by: RedArmy
Well, I got the bug where Planet Meridian won't show up and the 1.1.1 patch they released didn't fix it. Awesome.

Havent heard of that one yet but thats just crazy. They are up to 1.1.2 already.

I have had two random crashes and both I have been less than happy with. Both have involved me wiping the map only to get in one instance just to the boss and the other, about 20 minutes into a boss fight only to hard crash and reboot my PC.

The squad sizes are really awesome. Although it is closer to real WH40k fluff from Games Workshop's Black Library, I had reservations on how well the small squads would work. It really works well and you can appreciate just how powerful a Space Marine really is.

Vehicles disappoint me greatly. The appearance of an SM Predator is a welcome sight but falls far too easily to enemy fire. Seeing enemy armour should give you cause for concern but it doesnt, it will fall quickly. Even a Venerable Dreadnaught can get torn to shreds by simple melee infantry.

Really? I found the Dreadnaught (at least when upgraded), destroys just about everything. The orks have a bit too many anti vehicle weapons (and they come in squads that can't be destroyed quickly), so the dreadnaught isn't as good against them. However, the Eldar's only anti-vehicle weaponry is:
D-cannon and brightlance platform...both require charge up time, allowing the dread to smash them, autocannon them, or a scout to snipe them.
Wraithlord - Usually loses to dread, taken out by a single melta bomb
Tanks - Lose to a melta bomb once again
Which is good, since the eldar basically one-shot even terminators by end game.

Dread isn't bad against tyranids either.
Enemy vehicles do go down easily to power weapons and plasma weapons though.

After beating the campaign on primarch, my opinion on each unit is:
Force Commander sucks at melee. He attacks too slow to really do much against hordes, and dies in 1-hit to any of the tougher things. Probably would have been worthwhile to go down the ranged path, and give him terminator armor and an autocannon. As a melee unit, terminator armor hurts him since his survivability goes down without rally or the force field. The orbital bombardment is awesome, drop-pod is decent.

Tarkus is a beast with a few +defense ribbons, good armor, a plasma gun, and veteran squadmates. Outdoes anyone else for damage against heavy targets (bosses).

Ativus is awesome in terminator armor with an autocannon. Can really hold off entire armies by himself after his squadmates die. (thus my idea to give the force commander an autocannon too)

Thaddeus sucks until you get him terminator armor and a few defense ribbons. Then you have 3 or 4 guys with hammers that actually can do decent in melee and hold the line. Still wouldn't pick him though.

Thule (dreadnaught) is situational. Against the eldar, he's a one-man army. Against the nids, he's pretty good. Against the orks, you'll probably lose him to some random volley.

Cyrus is the way to cheese your way through the game. Cloaking + items + resurrection + the healing item allow him to extend the life of your squadmates almost indefinitely. Mark target isn't bad later on to help against bosses either, and early on sniper shot can almost do that by himself. Not so useful against the orks though. Invaluable against the nids, since detonation packs are the most reliable way to take out carnifaxes and they can snipe synapse creatures.

ie. Assault Squad shouldn't sit about 5 metres away from a Tyranid shooty swarm and just get shot to pieces. An 'Assault Stance' should tell them to charge into melee and kick some rear end.

Stances do exist, they're just hidden. Drag and pull is hold ground. Right click on an area is stand ground. Attack move is attack stance. Considering the only way to get melee units to fight back is with attack move, and they tend to run off like idiots then, I hate using melee units in this game.
 

Malladine

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Man i love this game. A definitely worthy replacement!! Just getting into it, i completed the defense mission in Typhon yesterday. Are there SP campaigns for the other races? Not that I plan on sticking to SP entirely...

Game seems to hit a snag in vista though. I'll be playing fine for an hour or two then suddenly it will chug for a second...and from then on performance is cut in half...any ideas?!
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
you cant even set your own keys in this game.

relic = fail

actually i think that's a good thing, maintains a more even playing field in MP.
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Man i love this game. A definitely worthy replacement!! Just getting into it, i completed the defense mission in Typhon yesterday. Are there SP campaigns for the other races? Not that I plan on sticking to SP entirely...

Game seems to hit a snag in vista though. I'll be playing fine for an hour or two then suddenly it will chug for a second...and from then on performance is cut in half...any ideas?!

No.

For MP, you can practice by playing a private match (under MP menu) against the AI.

As for that bug, can't help there. I have on where if I change graphic settings or alt tap (or hit the windows key by mistake, grrr) the graphics go all "fabulous " (imagine pink text) on me like a gay pride parade and the buttons stop working, fixed by rebooting. Though this only happens on my laptop with the 9800m GTX.
 

Beev

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I picked it up on Saturday purely to play coop with a friend. I think it will be worth the $50 in that regard. Or at least I hope so.
 

AmberClad

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
you cant even set your own keys in this game.

relic = fail

actually i think that's a good thing, maintains a more even playing field in MP.
I don't see how. Gaming keyboards and the Belkin n52 will let you remap keys and save profiles for each game.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Man i love this game. A definitely worthy replacement!! Just getting into it, i completed the defense mission in Typhon yesterday. Are there SP campaigns for the other races? Not that I plan on sticking to SP entirely...

Game seems to hit a snag in vista though. I'll be playing fine for an hour or two then suddenly it will chug for a second...and from then on performance is cut in half...any ideas?!

SM Campaign only unfortunately. Other Campaigns should be made available via Pay DLC and other certain things via Free DLC however nothing at all has been set in stone from what I can tell from Relic's own DoW2 Forums....

Performance...

The game at high resolution and Ultra settings can push the memory requirement above the limit in 32-bit OSes and can cause crashes or lower performance, XP being less affected than Vista. However, I doubt that you have disabled the 32-bit OS check via command line and assume you have the most up to date version available.

I have not had a performance problem except I still get random crashes in Vista 64 @ 1920x1080 with everything @ Ultra.

Most of the graphical options only "really" get a noticable benefit when you zoom in. Ultra really is Ultra in this respect.
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: AmberClad
Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
you cant even set your own keys in this game.

relic = fail

actually i think that's a good thing, maintains a more even playing field in MP.
I don't see how. Gaming keyboards and the Belkin n52 will let you remap keys and save profiles for each game.

true, forgot about those things, they work in dow2?

Elcs: I'm running vista 64bit...i actually had a random crash today...not on ultra though, i left it @ the auto settings, pretty much all high iirc. 1680 res
 

chizow

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Sweet, my mail man put on his War Gear and trekked through 6 inches of snow to deliver my copy of DoW2. :) Should be up and running pretty quickly as I already had the demo installed.
 

Liet

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Well, I've been playing the beta for weeks, have completed the SP, and am now rank 31 with Tyranids in MP.

Balance needs some work, to say the least. To write more I'd need to put out paragraphs, but I'll summarize:

-Tyranids require far less effort to win with than the other races. Raveners are fucking awesomely good.
-Space Marines can be effective, but can't compete in early tiers due because they can't get enough units to cap req & power points in T1
-Orks feel too squishy, and they require their racial special ability to survive fights, let alone win them.
-Eldar have always required great micro, but they require too damn much for the effectiveness produced, and so it's easier to just use Tyranids.