Dow has first losing year since 2002.

[techs]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/12/30/AR2005123001440.html

the Dow recorded its first down year since 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/business/31markets.html

Markets in Europe and Asia generally ended the year with gains of 15 percent or more
In Japan, the Nikkei 225 index ended with its best year since 1986

We deficit spent our butts off and Europe kept their deficits down. They did much better than us. Hmmm. When will we realize the Bush economic "plan" is a disaster with low growth now and lifestyle changing deficit just a few years away.

 

[techs]

Wow. No comments on what is an incredible piece of economic news.
Before Bush how many years did the Dow go down?

 

[conjur]

Well, it's been discussed a bit here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1394198&enterthread=y

I'm sure there are some historical charts showing annual performance but this one's interesting:
http://www.bankersindexcd.com/indexedCD/historicalPerformance.asp

Average 5-year return is over 8%.

In the 5 years since the Propagandist took office the return has been 1.3%

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Not random. We are basically just amazed how badly the market has done since a certain President came into office with the wackiest, most dangerous economic plan since Karl Marx.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

You guys are amazing. The OP is about 2005. Someone (me) points out that things were not as bad in '05 as the OP tries to make them so everyone changes the subject and starts referring back to '01 or whatever date suits their incessant desire to create as bleak a picture as possible.

It's almost like a reflex with you people. *Good News* "Oh crap! No wait... look here now."

 

[Engineer]

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[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys are amazing. The OP is about 2005. Someone (me) points out that things were not as bad in '05 as the OP tries to make them so everyone changes the subject and starts referring back to '01 or whatever date suits their incessant desire to create as bleak a picture as possible.

It's almost like a reflex with you people. *Good News* "Oh crap! No wait... look here now."

Back at ya...

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: techs
Wow. No comments on what is an incredible piece of economic news.
Before Bush how many years did the Dow go down?

Before Bush we had 8 years of unsustainable growth in the market. Do you really think that 25% a year or more is a viable and sustainable return in the stock market? Do you think the two time periods are unrelated?

Do you invest in 1-5 year cycles in the stock market? If so, let me know - I've got some special low cost stock tips for you.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

Of the big 3.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

Of the big 3.

I see...those are the only three that matter then?

 

[alchemize]

Cross post from Dave's doom and gloom thread.

My total rate of return on my 401(k) was 7.8% (tax deferred of course, and matched on 3%). Pretty darn good for such a "bad" year for investors. Here's my return, in decreasing order of holdings:

Spartan US Equity: 5.37%
Spartan Extended Market: 10.46%
Fidelity Freedom 2040: 9.55%
Putnam Intl growth: 13.66%
Fidelity Blue Chip growth: 4.56%

Not a loser in the bunch. Whatever the Propagandist is doing to the markets, keep it up!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

Of the big 3.

I see...those are the only three that matter then?

Where did I say that? Go to Yahoo stocks and see what's listed on the main page?

And just where did I say (or techs or anyone else) that people didn't make money in the market at any point during the year?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/12/30/AR2005123001440.html

the Dow recorded its first down year since 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/business/31markets.html

Markets in Europe and Asia generally ended the year with gains of 15 percent or more
In Japan, the Nikkei 225 index ended with its best year since 1986

We deficit spent our butts off and Europe kept their deficits down. They did much better than us. Hmmm. When will we realize the Bush economic "plan" is a disaster with low growth now and lifestyle changing deficit just a few years away.

France public debt 67.7% of GDP (2004 est.)
Germany public debt 65.8% of GDP (2004 est.)
US 65% of GDP (2004 est.)

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/12/30/AR2005123001440.html

the Dow recorded its first down year since 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/business/31markets.html

Markets in Europe and Asia generally ended the year with gains of 15 percent or more
In Japan, the Nikkei 225 index ended with its best year since 1986

We deficit spent our butts off and Europe kept their deficits down. They did much better than us. Hmmm. When will we realize the Bush economic "plan" is a disaster with low growth now and lifestyle changing deficit just a few years away.

France public debt 67.7% of GDP (2004 est.)
Germany public debt 65.8% of GDP (2004 est.)
US 65% of GDP (2004 est.)

Footnote to US: And rising!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

Of the big 3.

I see...those are the only three that matter then?

Where did I say that? Go to Yahoo stocks and see what's listed on the main page?

Another smartass!


And just where did I say (or techs or anyone else) that people didn't make money in the market at any point during the year?

Uhhh... Nobody said that. So why ask the question?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You keep focusing on the Dow but neglect to point out that the NASDAQ and S&P finished up this year. Stocks as a whole finished up. Maybe not 15% but up all the same. (We can't win every year... 😉 )

Strangely, the DOW is the only index that is up (1.3% in 5 years) from it's Jan. 2001 starting point. The NASDAQ and S&P are both down from that point. 😉

Oh I'm sorry... I thought the OP was about 2005. Are we going to play this "pick a random date" game again? :roll:

Notice the 😉 in there? Guess not. Well, I'll play the game further....how about the Dow is the only index that's up over the 5 years since Bush took office and it's up an anemic 1.3% over that time? Better? :roll:

Damn smartass people!

The ONLY Index?

Of the big 3.

I see...those are the only three that matter then?

Where did I say that? Go to Yahoo stocks and see what's listed on the main page?

Another smartass!


And just where did I say (or techs or anyone else) that people didn't make money in the market at any point during the year?

You didn't - because you know better. But rather than call techs and conjur idiots because they know nothing about economics or investing, you feel better about posting little half truths so you can rile up right wingers. It's your way of getting back at Bush who you hate with such a passion it overrides reason.

Psychology session over, no charge. 😀

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

And just where did I say (or techs or anyone else) that people didn't make money in the market at any point during the year?

Uhhh... Nobody said that. So why ask the question?
[/quote]

In response of alchemize posting of his gains during the year.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Psychology session over, no charge. 😀

No, I really have to pay you something. Here's a in advance. More to follow! 😀

Edit: Also, I'm taking the back from Whoozyerdaddy as he didn't deserve it and am giving it to you for your pregnant wife! 😀

Edit #2: I also take the :cooke; that Whoozyerdaddy gave me and give to you as a snack to your wife for you child. Children need lots of :cookies; to grow on you know! 😀

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Cross post from Dave's doom and gloom thread.

My total rate of return on my 401(k) was 7.8% (tax deferred of course, and matched on 3%). Pretty darn good for such a "bad" year for investors. Here's my return, in decreasing order of holdings:

Spartan US Equity: 5.37%
Spartan Extended Market: 10.46%
Fidelity Freedom 2040: 9.55%
Putnam Intl growth: 13.66%
Fidelity Blue Chip growth: 4.56%

Not a loser in the bunch. Whatever the Propagandist is doing to the markets, keep it up!

Wow, you are too funny for words: the ONLY big winner in your portfolio is an INTERNATIONAL FUND!!!! (Putnam INTERNATIONAL GROWTH at 13.66%.

Your second-place stock (Spartan Extended Market at 10.46%) is based on small caps in the US, hardly a bellweather for the economy as a whole.

But the two large-cap funds you have (Spartan US Equity and Fidelity Blue Chip growth) absolutely SUCK. 5.37% and 4.56%? But yet, they are the ones that are the MOST representative of the broader US economy, the one generating jobs, tax base, and stability.

Thanks for proving the OP's point...the devil, as they say, is in the details...and the Propogandist has (by your OWN admission and data) done much better for the overseas team than the home team.

Future Shock

 

[conjur]

I was about to point that out, fs. Thanks for the enlightenment there. 😉