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Doubts about Perry among some in Republican Party

I'm an "evil righty" and I dislike Perry very greatly, nothing but a false conservative.
I'm glad he is getting knocked down in the polls.
Too bad Romney is more of the same as well though.
 
matt0611 said:
I'm an "evil righty" and I dislike Perry very greatly, nothing but a false conservative.
I'm glad he is getting knocked down in the polls.
Too bad Romney is more of the same as well though.
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We agree on that. As I've said, the one Republican I think who could be a decent candidate is Michael Bloomberg. Funny coincidence, earlier today I had a political poll that was asking about Bloomberg as a candidate for President (sometimes these things are sponsored by the politician, sometimes not).

Among those running, Huntsman seems the least bad, but still quite bad, IMO.
 
Every single Repub candidate had to pay the toll fee at the Tea Party toll bridge and had to swear to uphold the TP's <---(hey, I made a funny😛) ultra conservative agenda or get denied entry into the TP's stable of anointed sycophants.

Right there is the main reason why the Repub gallery of Pres. candidates looks the way it does.

Every one of their candidates also had to swear allegiance to the ideology of the conservative very rich where the business of business is to take everything as fast as you can or someone else will. That mindset is what Bush and Cheney took to the White House and look what they accomplished at the end of their hold on the nation's purse strings.

The same selection process that got Bush/Cheney elected is the same process that will get any Repub elected and it's the same selection process that's at work right now.

Any Repub candidate that gets the nod is already thoroughly corrupted by the aforementioned selection process and it does not bode well for the nation to go through another eight years of this same ideology that Bush/Cheney agressively promoted and instituted into their administrative agenda.

Pick any Repub candidate and the strings attached to them will lead to the same puppet masters tugging on those strings from above that Bush/Cheney danced to.

The only difference we'll see among them is each individual's particular style of getting the jobs done that they were assigned by their masters.

IMO, this is why Bush would seem indecisive or in serious conlict with his duties when he'd stray off the Corporate Plan, get maverick and make some apparently wierd decisions and commentary on his own behalf. I think he felt too constrained and controlled and wanted some freedom to run the administration the way he saw fit, but Cheney "knew better" and wouldn't let him.

Sure, the Dems have their own "benefactors" that they have to kowtow to, but the Dems have to primarily rely on a much larger base of middle income/poor constituency for donations as compared to the Repub's reliance on fewer but much richer contributors.

The Dem candidates also have to promote the needs and wishes of the working class which somewhat frees them from the total control that the very rich have over their Repub candidates.
 
tweaker2 said:
Every single Repub candidate had to pay the toll fee at the Tea Party toll bridge and had to swear to uphold the TP's <---(hey, I made a funny😛) ultra conservative agenda or get denied entry into the TP's stable of anointed sycophants.
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LMAO awesome analogy 🙂:biggrin:
 
Moonbeam said:
It's always hard for Republicans to find the right candidate because perfect assholes are rare.
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Damn you, Moonbeam! You've been particularly sharp as of late. Love it.

Even though he's a dolt, Perry appeals to Righties' worship of "Strong Leaders!", the kind of leaders that ordered the charge of the light brigade, the second battle of the somme, and the deregulated free market banking that created the housing bubble.

He talks tough, so let's follow him! He's so sure he's right that he must be! It takes balls to execute an innocent man!
 
Jhhnn said:
Damn you, Moonbeam! You've been particularly sharp as of late. Love it.

Even though he's a dolt, Perry appeals to Righties' worship of "Strong Leaders!", the kind of leaders that ordered the charge of the light brigade, the second battle of the somme, and the deregulated free market banking that created the housing bubble.

He talks tough, so let's follow him! He's so sure he's right that he must be! It takes balls to execute an innocent man!
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Perry being both Pro-life and head executioner in the same breath is kind of an oxymoron :biggrin:
 
Craig234 said:
We agree on that. As I've said, the one Republican I think who could be a decent candidate is Michael Bloomberg. Funny coincidence, earlier today I had a political poll that was asking about Bloomberg as a candidate for President (sometimes these things are sponsored by the politician, sometimes not).

Among those running, Huntsman seems the least bad, but still quite bad, IMO.
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Bloomberg is probably too liberal to ever win the Republican nomination in a national election.
 
Perry who admonished other candidates for skipping the straw poll came in second to Herman Cain in the Florida Straw poll. I guess there were doubts about Perry's stance on illegal immigration and the Social Security as a ponzi scheme.
 
Craig234 said:
As I've said, the one Republican I think who could be a decent candidate is Michael Bloomberg.
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No way Craig. As an NRA life member, I find Bloomberg's anti-gun positions completely unacceptable. I work in NYC so I get a front row seat to his policies which strike me as a mix of center left & center right depending on the issue. They don't conform to either side's traditional agendas. But he would get trounced in a national election that much I'm certain of.
 
chowderhead said:
Perry who admonished other candidates for skipping the straw poll came in second to Herman Cain in the Florida Straw poll. I guess there were doubts about Perry's stance on illegal immigration and the Social Security as a ponzi scheme.
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I know. He's a closet progressive hiding in the fur of a wolf trying to sneak into power to save the earth. But those fucking Tea Bags have noses like blood hounds and can smell a liberal at ten miles. They are going to ruin everything. Perry needs to practice putting his hands on his hips more with that stance of dominance so popular among the backward.
 
loki8481 said:
Bloomberg is the definition of a RINO... he's only a Republican because he didn't want to have to run in the Democratic primary.
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That may be true, but any 'moderate' much less 'liberal' Republican is subject to the same attack of 'RINO', which is ridiculous and wrong, trying to define the party as only its more radical right wing; it maybe politically effective to claim your opponents are not legitimate party members, but they could do the same to you.

Eisenhower spoke of the right-wing in his party, the anti-Social Security types, as 'idiots few in number' - why couldn't he say THEY and the tea party are the 'RINOs'?

Of course, Ronald Reagan badly failed the recent 'RINO litmus test' the conservative wing created.

The Republican party could use a lot more Michael Bloomberg type 'RINOs'.
 
Jman and Brencat, I'm not discussing Bloomberg's electability, especially in the primary, but his policies, when I say he's the only decent national Republican figure.
 
I wanna see a republican say he's / she's for legalized marijuana and then...just maybe I'd be willing to vote for an "R" for the FIRST time of my life.
 
When even a guy like Perry isn't right wing enough, you know the GOP has taken a hard right turn.

Nixon and Reagan used to be considered very right wing, but one of them founded the EPA and the other did blanket amnesty. Today they'd both be considered RINOs.
 
All of them scare the shit out of me and I'm a lifetime hunting and fishing license holder, lifetime NRA member. We are going broke and they want to cut taxes to be more broke faster. Wealth is more concentrated than since gilded age and they want to remove many mechanisms of correction. (progressive taxation, unionization, education, SBA loans, etc) Gonna be ugly whomever wins.
 
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Zebo said:
All of them scare the shit out of me and I'm a lifetime hunting and fishing license holder, lifetime NRA member. We are going broke and they want to cut taxes to be more broke faster. Wealth is more concentrated than since gilded age and they want to remove many mechanisms of correction. (progressive taxation, unionization, education, SBA loans, etc) Gonna be ugly whomever wins.
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Hopefully more people use their common sense like you have.

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ericlp said:
I wanna see a republican say he's / she's for legalized marijuana and then...just maybe I'd be willing to vote for an "R" for the FIRST time of my life.
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Gary Johnson. He actually made it into the Fox Republican debate in Orlando, over the objections of the Florida Republican Party. The Republicans still shut him out of their straw poll.
 
Craig234 said:
Jman and Brencat, I'm not discussing Bloomberg's electability, especially in the primary, but his policies, when I say he's the only decent national Republican figure.
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Agreed. But guys like him will never get elected as long as the Tea Party does to the Repubs what the Repubs in general have been doing to the Dems.

I do have a sense though, that this policy of unrelenting filibustering and resolute obstructionism by the Repubs has a limit and will play itself out with the voting public. This policy has been quite damaging to the middle class and the poor and may backfire on the Repubs as more and more of the apathetic working class get stirred up enough to start swarming the voting booths out of frustration and anger at the political system that by and large favors the very rich.
 
Perry is a bad candidate. It's sad that an election that should go to the other party after Obama's useless term may not because they cannot help but elect idiots. But who knows, the election is a year away until now it's barely worth talking about.
 
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