the connotation and even denotation for that word are different when uttered by a black person compared to a white person
it's like gay people choosing to (jokingly) call themselves 'i love you' compared to heterosexuals using that word - the political implications of using that word are entirely different depending on who is using the word
I agree with you on the connotation portion of your statement (and hence, the double standard), but by sheer definition the "denotation" of the word does not change, regardless of who says it.
But blacks can call whites 'cracker', 'whitebread', etc... without the same outrage isn't a double standard?
shortylickens
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Which is usually where the Hitler references come from.
My opinion: Women.
This came up recently in OT, but it seems that they stopped wanting equality since the 70's. Now they want the privledges of both genders with none of the responsibility.
What do you mean by excuses?
A white person referring to an african amercian as "******" is acceptable to you?
NFS4
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It shouldn't be acceptable either way. A white person couldn't get away with saying it even if they meant it in a "friendly" way as blacks do to other blacks.
If a white guy walked up a black guy and said, "What up N****" instead of "What up dog", he'd likely be in for a beatdown.
actually, the denotation does change, because subcultures create new, different meanings for words. e.g., an african amercian referring to a friend as "his ******" - the word takes on a quite different meaning than it ever has in the past.
Hmm Congressman have their own retirement plan which is hundreds times better the Social Security yet peeons liek us keep paying in to a plan that not only is horribly inadequate for senior care but will no longer be in place when we get that age. Oh they keep raising the age so you won't live long enough to enjoy it also.
Ausm
Ausm
not entirely. blacks as a group in usa society are not coming from a position of power relative to whites. if the power position of each group was (in general) the same, it would seem more like a double standard to me. the other thing, tho, is that "******" seems like a much harsher term of abuse than "cracker" or "whitebread".
It saddens me to say this, but this, to some degree, is true. The funny thing is my wife is the one who so concretely stated what you just stated before I really recognized it a few years ago. I think it ticks her off more than any man I know.
My wife and I have a friend who just like that. Aspiring attorney, gawks at the idea of stay at home moms, etc... but one time her then-boyfriend asked her why she never picked up their tab...
YIKES @ the fireworks that ensued.
HumblePie
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Hrmm I got some for you...
Why can girls play with gi-joes AND barbies but boys only get the gi-joes.
Why can girls get away with wearing male or female cloths but men can't?
Why is it perfectly accetable for a girls favorite color to be red or black, but men can't like pink or yellow?
Why is the miata called a chicks car?
Why do parents keep telling kids smoking and drinking is bad as they chase down a drink with a smoke?
Why is it perfectly legal for a person 15 years old to screw a 14 year old, but one year later, that 16 year old can't screw that 15 year old anymore?
Why can soldiers die for our country and not drink beer?
Why does every single emo kid think they are "unique" in the world?
Why does chocolate have to be brown or white, can't there be a blue or green? Would you eat green chocolate?
Why do rappers always claim to represent da hood when they live in a $5 million home?
When will Kobe ever learn?
Sox fans and Yankee fans.. enough said.
Why do we try to teach our children religious tolerance andyet make them recite every morning, "Under God?"
Homo-necro-beastial-fecal-philiac pot heads. Sorry I just like saying that word.
Why would infomercials need to advertise get rich quick schemes to me if they are already rich? If you are rich why put forth the effort for $19.95 only on TV?
Why can girls play with gi-joes AND barbies but boys only get the gi-joes.
Why can girls get away with wearing male or female cloths but men can't?
Why is it perfectly accetable for a girls favorite color to be red or black, but men can't like pink or yellow?
Why is the miata called a chicks car?
Why do parents keep telling kids smoking and drinking is bad as they chase down a drink with a smoke?
Why is it perfectly legal for a person 15 years old to screw a 14 year old, but one year later, that 16 year old can't screw that 15 year old anymore?
Why can soldiers die for our country and not drink beer?
Why does every single emo kid think they are "unique" in the world?
Why does chocolate have to be brown or white, can't there be a blue or green? Would you eat green chocolate?
Why do rappers always claim to represent da hood when they live in a $5 million home?
When will Kobe ever learn?
Sox fans and Yankee fans.. enough said.
Why do we try to teach our children religious tolerance andyet make them recite every morning, "Under God?"
Homo-necro-beastial-fecal-philiac pot heads. Sorry I just like saying that word.
Why would infomercials need to advertise get rich quick schemes to me if they are already rich? If you are rich why put forth the effort for $19.95 only on TV?
Give me a break. Equal is equal, not this "coming from power" BS. I don't run around calling homosexuals 'f@ggots' or blacks 'n!gger5'...I would like that same courtesy extended to me.
... and that's exactly what "connotation" refers to. The assumed or implied meaning of a word in a given context.
Webster doesn't list black and white versions of each definition.
And don't tell me that's because Webster is a white guy. The last time time I saw him he was a short little black midget.
Anubis
No Lifer
SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT A RETIREMENT PLAN. That's what 401ks and IRAs, etc. are for.
I think it's pretty crappy the niceties that Congress sets up for itself, but Social Security is not our retirement-plan equivilant.
Yup... Anyone who thinks differently is just fooling themselves because they have issues, not the other way around.
Give me a freakin break. So because I'm white and straight I'm expected to put up with more verbal abuse than the next black guy?
Horsesh1t.
If I go to Japan and assume minority status, should I be able to walk around calling them slanteyes with impunity?
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