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Double-standard trouble

Is it too much to expect some consistent principled behavior from the librarians, the press, and the politicians? Apparently so.

On Society
By John Leo
Double-standard trouble

First the shock of the Abu Ghraib prison photos, then the aftershock: a surprising debate over whether they should have been published at all. Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online argued that details of the prisoner abuse were about to pour out anyway. He said the inflammatory pictures were unnecessary. In response, Aaron Brown of CNN said: "You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it." So Goldberg wrote a second column: If snapshots and images tell the story better than words, why don't the networks show us a "partial-birth" abortion? Surely such pictures would add to our understanding.

Good point. I don't entirely agree with Goldberg. Although I thought the first wave of photos should have been published, I belong to the "enough, already" school of thought--no more Abu Ghraib pictures, please. I get the idea. But if, as Brown argued, graphic detail is essential to understanding stories, why did the media agonize over (and largely suppress) close-up photos of the dismembered bodies of the four American civilians murdered and torched at Fallujah? The tape of Berg being beheaded is in the public domain. Why doesn't Brown demand that CNN show it so that we can better understand terrorism? And why did the networks and the print media withhold the grisly 9/11 pictures of bodies hitting the ground at the World Trade Center? Many factors are at work here, including queasiness about pouring violent images into family newspapers and broadcasts. But surely one factor is a semiconscious double standard: The media are more likely to show what is done by Americans than what is done to Americans. Group attitudes about American power and values tend to affect news judgment. No surprise there.

Clinton did it. The Iraq war has turned out to be a festival of double standards. Just about everybody who insisted on an apology from President Bush for seven months of pre-9/11 failure to confront terrorism demanded no such apology from Bill Clinton for his perjury and assorted lying and for eight years of doing almost nothing about terrorism. Democrats who are purple with rage that Bush went to war without U.N. approval rarely mention that Clinton did the same thing three times--in Bosnia, Kosovo, and in Operation Desert Fox (the bombing of Iraq in 1998). And those in the news business who have spent so many months admiring the moral authority of the U.N. have basically looked the other way as evidence accumulates about corruption in the oil-for-food scandal. I first noticed the story in January on ABC's fine online operation, the Note, which carried some exact figures on the size of individual bribes. But the major media downplayed--dropped, would be a better word--the story for many weeks. Even now oil-for-food news is buried way inside most newspapers or simply ignored. One might conclude that the barons of the news business are not very interested in negative stories about the U.N.

Not all double-standard winds blow from the left, of course. Consider the debate over Donald Rumsfeld. Many Republicans who are loudly defending him took an opposite position over Janet Reno, author of the botched raid in Waco, Texas, and thus the leading example of ministerial incompetence under Clinton. Consistency principle: Both Reno and Rumsfeld should have resigned. Reno was responsible for more than 80 deaths, including women and children. By sitting on the Abu Ghraib story for months, Rumsfeld has dealt a crippling blow to the American effort in Iraq. Even if he is not implicated in orders that may have led to the abuse, he surely is guilty of failure on a grand scale. Rumsfeld, like Reno, should have quit. Neither would have lasted two minutes in a British cabinet, or in any properly run private enterprise.

But the left, and particularly the old left, is far more culpable when it comes to blaming America and forgiving our enemies. Consider the American Library Association, which is up in arms over the Patriot Act because it allows the FBI to get library and bookstore records without informing readers or anyone else. But the ALA recently voted to ignore a bigger threat to the freedom of librarians: In Cuba, Fidel Castro has held 10 librarians for more than a year in one of his grim gulags, along with 65 other pro-democracy dissidents. One activist says the librarians are being kept in "medieval cages." Apparently romanticizing Castro, like so much of the old left, the ALA overwhelmingly rejected a resolution calling for the librarians to be released. In general, this is the reflexive stance of the literary left. Some 40 organizations, plus many authors, are protesting the Patriot Act and the alleged totalitarian John Ashcroft, while ignoring the library issue in the real-life totalitarian state to our south. Is it too much to expect some consistent principled behavior from the librarians, the press, and the politicians? Apparently so.

CkG
 
Ah yes, another "we should suppress the photos now" type argument. Lame.

And by the way, comparing the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse photos to (A) partial birth abortion photos, (B) Berg beheading videos, and (C) close up carnage of the contractors burned and mutilated is missing a major point: Those Iraqi prisoner photos were repulsive, not because they were full of carnage (they weren't), rather it was repulsive to see what America apparently stands for when "the gloves come off."
 
Leo is a tool. But he has two points of merit: 1) partisans are invariably unprincipled and 2) media (of all stripes) are providing a low quality product to the people.
 
I vote for showing everything. I am an adult and can handle it. Why would you not want to show the prison photographs and videos?
 
Wait, one more thing: America is held to a higher standard. 'Nuff said.

So you say in the previous post that you dont think that they should be compared, yet you put it out there that we are setting a higher standard.

Dont know about you, but I think that torturing and killing someone on videotape is a bit less in the standard department than piling some naked prisoners on the floor.
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Is it too much to expect some consistent principled behavior from the librarians, the press, and the politicians? Apparently so.

On Society
By John Leo
Double-standard trouble

First the shock of the Abu Ghraib prison photos, then the aftershock: a surprising debate over whether they should have been published at all. Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online argued that details of the prisoner abuse were about to pour out anyway. He said the inflammatory pictures were unnecessary. In response, Aaron Brown of CNN said: "You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it." So Goldberg wrote a second column: If snapshots and images tell the story better than words, why don't the networks show us a "partial-birth" abortion? Surely such pictures would add to our understanding.

Good point. I don't entirely agree with Goldberg. Although I thought the first wave of photos should have been published, I belong to the "enough, already" school of thought--no more Abu Ghraib pictures, please. I get the idea. But if, as Brown argued, graphic detail is essential to understanding stories, why did the media agonize over (and largely suppress) close-up photos of the dismembered bodies of the four American civilians murdered and torched at Fallujah? The tape of Berg being beheaded is in the public domain. Why doesn't Brown demand that CNN show it so that we can better understand terrorism? And why did the networks and the print media withhold the grisly 9/11 pictures of bodies hitting the ground at the World Trade Center? Many factors are at work here, including queasiness about pouring violent images into family newspapers and broadcasts. But surely one factor is a semiconscious double standard: The media are more likely to show what is done by Americans than what is done to Americans. Group attitudes about American power and values tend to affect news judgment. No surprise there.

Clinton did it. The Iraq war has turned out to be a festival of double standards. Just about everybody who insisted on an apology from President Bush for seven months of pre-9/11 failure to confront terrorism demanded no such apology from Bill Clinton for his perjury and assorted lying and for eight years of doing almost nothing about terrorism. Democrats who are purple with rage that Bush went to war without U.N. approval rarely mention that Clinton did the same thing three times--in Bosnia, Kosovo, and in Operation Desert Fox (the bombing of Iraq in 1998). And those in the news business who have spent so many months admiring the moral authority of the U.N. have basically looked the other way as evidence accumulates about corruption in the oil-for-food scandal. I first noticed the story in January on ABC's fine online operation, the Note, which carried some exact figures on the size of individual bribes. But the major media downplayed--dropped, would be a better word--the story for many weeks. Even now oil-for-food news is buried way inside most newspapers or simply ignored. One might conclude that the barons of the news business are not very interested in negative stories about the U.N.

Not all double-standard winds blow from the left, of course. Consider the debate over Donald Rumsfeld. Many Republicans who are loudly defending him took an opposite position over Janet Reno, author of the botched raid in Waco, Texas, and thus the leading example of ministerial incompetence under Clinton. Consistency principle: Both Reno and Rumsfeld should have resigned. Reno was responsible for more than 80 deaths, including women and children. By sitting on the Abu Ghraib story for months, Rumsfeld has dealt a crippling blow to the American effort in Iraq. Even if he is not implicated in orders that may have led to the abuse, he surely is guilty of failure on a grand scale. Rumsfeld, like Reno, should have quit. Neither would have lasted two minutes in a British cabinet, or in any properly run private enterprise.

But the left, and particularly the old left, is far more culpable when it comes to blaming America and forgiving our enemies. Consider the American Library Association, which is up in arms over the Patriot Act because it allows the FBI to get library and bookstore records without informing readers or anyone else. But the ALA recently voted to ignore a bigger threat to the freedom of librarians: In Cuba, Fidel Castro has held 10 librarians for more than a year in one of his grim gulags, along with 65 other pro-democracy dissidents. One activist says the librarians are being kept in "medieval cages." Apparently romanticizing Castro, like so much of the old left, the ALA overwhelmingly rejected a resolution calling for the librarians to be released. In general, this is the reflexive stance of the literary left. Some 40 organizations, plus many authors, are protesting the Patriot Act and the alleged totalitarian John Ashcroft, while ignoring the library issue in the real-life totalitarian state to our south. Is it too much to expect some consistent principled behavior from the librarians, the press, and the politicians? Apparently so.

CkG
If Hell exists and you have the pictures . . . that someone ELSE gave you . . .

Do you withhold them?

Do you try to pretend Hell doesn't exit . . . within all of us?

Let's define Hell as what went on in those pictures. They are real. and someone else gave them to you.

Let's place this little hypothetical smack dab in the middle of now.

Just how long do you think you would be able to deny that this Hell existed?

Truth hurts.

How we deal with this truth declares who we really are as a nation.
 
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I vote for showing everything. I am an adult and can handle it. Why would you not want to show the prison photographs and videos?

I agree but would like to add ...............
I think I speak for most Americans when I say:
I have seen enough, I understand the seriousness of the situation and the repercussions which have and will occur in the future, it should be fully investigated and those responsible must be held accountable, I as well as most Americans feel embarassed that our Troops acted in this manner.
But let's also remember, and keep in prospective, that it was a very small minority of our Military who engaged in these actions (how many out of 130,000 Troops over there?). The damage is done, lets try to repair our image by conducting ourselves in the proper manner since " America is held to a higher standard" and move on.
That being said, if people need to see more of theses pictures, (for whatever reason), then by all means let them, I have no problem with it.
 
I think people here aren't really reading this if they think it's an "excuse" to "suppress" the pictures argument. There is much more in that then just the photo issue. The problem here is the double standard or actually better description would be adjustable morality or decency standards. I don't give two rats asses if they show all the pictures, but for them to hide behind "decency" regarding other issues it doesn't give an air of consistency. If the press is allowed to dictate "decency" then are they really just giving us the news? or are they adding/taking away from the credibility of the news by using different standards for each issue.

Anyway - like I said - there is much more there than just the picture issue since this wasn't only a prison picture piece or thread.

CkG
 
Jonah Goldberg ?
The famous son of Lucianne Goldberg?
Mister Credibility ?

How long before they try to pin this on Clinton ?

Those Goldbergs have ZERO credibility - Mother was a spy for Nixon from inside the Democrats Machine,
not unlike the 'Watergate Inside Job' - she went on to try to overthrow the sitting President of the Unites States - for pure political motivation.

Junior was her enabler - after she had enabled Tripp.

Now Junior wants to be our concious for the 'Aledged' abuse photos.

Haven't they done enough damage ? why are they not up for treason themselves.
 
Originally posted by: Perknose
If Hell exists and you have the pictures . . . that someone ELSE gave you . . .

Do you withhold them?

Do you try to pretend Hell doesn't exit . . . within all of us?

Let's define Hell as what went on in those pictures. They are real. and someone else gave them to you.

Let's place this little hypothetical smack dab in the middle of now.

Just how long do you think you would be able to deny that this Hell existed?

Truth hurts.

How we deal with this truth declares who we really are as a nation.
Well said. That is supposed to be one of the fundamental differences between the United States and more oppressive countries. We conduct our business in the full light of day, in the public eye, in the open where everyone can see what we do and how we do it, warts and all. At least we used to.
 
Originally posted by: Kappo
Wait, one more thing: America is held to a higher standard. 'Nuff said.

So you say in the previous post that you dont think that they should be compared, yet you put it out there that we are setting a higher standard.

Dont know about you, but I think that torturing and killing someone on videotape is a bit less in the standard department than piling some naked prisoners on the floor.

I believe you misunderstood my statement. When I say America is held to a higher standard, I mean that America is expected to conduct themselves with the utmost decorum. The world expects that the U.S. will not lie, deceive, torture, cover-up, kill POWs in our custody, or stoop to the level of our enemies. We're supposed to be a shining example of what is good in this world.

I expect inhumane and barbaric behavior from the rest of the world. I certainly don't like it and I certainly would never condone it, but when it happens you're reminded how low some people will go.

America is supposed to be different. Supposed to be.
 
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