Dorothy Riddle's Homophobia Scale

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Cerb
5. Anything greater would be destructively preferential.

Is Mother's Day is destructively preferential in celebrating the contributions of mothers to the family?

 

[skyking]

putting a number on people is like saying you are gay, OP.
Hopefully you are so much more than that. I know I am more than some number on that scale, and I know "2's" on your scale that I value very much for their other aspects.
replying to somebody's reply with "You're about a 3 to 4 on the Riddle Homophobia Scale" or "You're a 2 (Pity) I'd say" is an utter waste of time and the kind of labeling and pigeonholing that perpetuates homophobia, racism, intolerance in general.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: skyking
putting a number on people is like saying you are gay, OP.
Hopefully you are so much more than that. I know I am more than some number on that scale, and I know "2's" on your scale that I value very much for their other aspects.
replying to somebody's reply with "You're about a 3 to 4 on the Riddle Homophobia Scale" or "You're a 2 (Pity) I'd say" is an utter waste of time and the kind of labeling and pigeonholing that perpetuates homophobia, racism, intolerance in general.

I disagree. I think this is a great little tool for getting at people's attitudes towards homosexuals. It seems most people are at that "acceptance" stage (as if there is anything that needs to be "accepted" in the first place, lol). Classifying someone on this scale certainly doesn't perpetuate homophobia or intolerance. Rather, this scale simply points out just how far some people have to go in terms of improving their attitudes towards gays. Your objections are just silly, absurd.

 

[skyking]

so placing a number on someone because of thier reply is not stereotyping? give ME a break. I don't need to place labels on anybody🙂

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: skyking
so placing a number on someone because of thier reply is not stereotyping? give ME a break. I don't need to place labels on anybody🙂

Um, no it's not stereotyping, it's providing feedback on where the individual falls on the Riddle Homophobia Scale. You are a moron. How's that for a label.

 

[skyking]

Funny, I did not see Moron in the options. I picked 7 because the description best fit my attitude.

 

[Kalvin00]

I put myself as a 2 on the scale. I just woke up, so I don't really feel like defending my position right now..

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: skyking
Funny, I did not see Moron in the options. I picked 7 because the description best fit my attitude.

A 7, eh? Don't worry, I can still find plenty of other reasons to dislike you 😉

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: skyking
Funny, I did not see Moron in the options. I picked 7 because the description best fit my attitude.

A 7, eh? Don't worry, I can still find plenty of other reasons to dislike you 😉

exactly my point!!!!!
😛

 

[Riprorin]

To suggest that there's a "continuum" is dumb.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
To suggest that there's a "continuum" is dumb.

and why is that, brainiac?

Actually, it seems pretty reasonable to me to say that people's attitudes to homosexuals occupy a continuum ranging from highly positive to highly negative. Certainly that's what I have observed in the world.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
To suggest that there's a "continuum" is dumb.

and why is that, brainiac?

Actually, it seems pretty reasonable to me to say that people's attitudes to homosexuals occupy a continuum ranging from highly positive to highly negative. Certainly that's what I have observed in the world.

And if your attitude about homosexuals isn't "highly positive" then you are a "homophobe"?

Lol.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
To suggest that there's a "continuum" is dumb.

and why is that, brainiac?

Actually, it seems pretty reasonable to me to say that people's attitudes to homosexuals occupy a continuum ranging from highly positive to highly negative. Certainly that's what I have observed in the world.

And if your attitude about homosexuals isn't "highly positive" then you are a "homophobe"?

Lol.

A homophobe is someone with strong antigay attitudes.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I think there are many things that heterosexual men are better at. E.g., fighting, making war, expressing beligerance and aggression, reproducing, over-populating the planet, religious hypocrisy, sexual hypocrisy, sports, football, building things, torturing people and animals, dominating and subjugating women, etc. The list goes on. 🙂

Words cannot express how much I resent the above statement (which isn't suprising since being a straight male I have poor communication skills right?). I've sat here trying to think how to respond to this but there is just no way that I can. I can't argue with this kind of prejudice and hate. I'm done with this thread now - it's not worth getting this pissed off over.....

 

[alchemize]

This would be an interesting poll if you replaced "gay" with "religous", and replaced the god references with scientific/logic references. 😀

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I think there are many things that heterosexual men are better at. E.g., fighting, making war, expressing beligerance and aggression, reproducing, over-populating the planet, religious hypocrisy, sexual hypocrisy, sports, football, building things, torturing people and animals, dominating and subjugating women, etc. The list goes on. 🙂

Words cannot express how much I resent the above statement (which isn't suprising since being a straight male I have poor communication skills right?). I've sat here trying to think how to respond to this but there is just no way that I can. I can't argue with this kind of prejudice and hate. I'm done with this thread now - it's not worth getting this pissed off over.....

But are you saying you think my generalisations are inaccurate? (joke) 😛

I WAS partly joking when I composed that list of things at which heterosexual excel. But I think the list definitely contains many kernels of truth.


As for poor communication skills of straight males: Heterosexual men do perform less well on tests of verbal fluency and verbal IQ than women or gay men, it is true. However we're talking about average differences between the two groups, and the average differences are fairly small. And there are of course plenty of women who have poor verbal fluency, and plenty of men who have excellent verbal fluency.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm
most people (including homosexual people, including myself) have at least some homophobic attitudes.

what about homosexuality are you afraid of? Normally homophobia seems to come from a lack of understanding - how could someone as open as yourself lack understanding?

Homophobia has two meanings, 1) fear of homosexuals, and 2) hostility towards homosexuals. When I say I have some residual homophobia, I am talking about that antigay hostility, not fear of homosexuals. I think gay people are expressing homophobia when they
--complain about effeminate gays giving homosexuals a bad name
--complain about activist gays giving homosexuals a bad name
--criticise other gay men for being too sexual, effeminate, "gay", loud, or whatever.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm
most people (including homosexual people, including myself) have at least some homophobic attitudes.

what about homosexuality are you afraid of? Normally homophobia seems to come from a lack of understanding - how could someone as open as yourself lack understanding?

Homophobia has two meanings, 1) fear of homosexuals, and 2) hostility towards homosexuals. When I say I have some residual homophobia, I am talking about that antigay hostility, not fear of homosexuals. I think gay people are expressing homophobia when they
--complain about effeminate gays giving homosexuals a bad name
--complain about activist gays giving homosexuals a bad name
--criticise other gay men for being too sexual, effeminate, "gay", loud, or whatever.

I'm not "afraid" of gays and I'm not hostile towards them, therefore by your definition I'm not a "homophobe"

I just think that homosexuality is sinful and immoral.

Where does that put me on the scale?

Where does that place

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not "afraid" of gays and I'm not hostile towards them, therefore I'm bot a "homophobe"

You certainly are obsessed with gay men and their sexual behaviors. Why is that?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I just think that homosexuality is sinful and immoral.

And do you believe people who engage in homosexual sex acts are themselves sinful and immoral?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where does that put me on the scale?

Where does that place

You're about a 2 on Riddle's scale.

 

[Riprorin]

Why do you think that I'm "obsessed"?

 

[3chordcharlie]

I'm not a big fan of this survey... in some ways I'm tempted answer 7 or 8, but in others, I frankly don't have the energy to be that enthusiastic about all the groups that make up our world.

I think gay people are people, I don't care if they do or do not 'flaunt it' because most of what people categorize as 'shoving it in my face' is nothing more than what straight people do on a daily basis. No one ever noticed if I gave my gf a quick kiss or whatever in public, but they notice when gay people do it and that's called 'flaunting'. And making out in public is gross no matter what.

So I'm going to vote 'nor response'.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
7 - Appreciation: The diversity of people is a valuable thing. Gay men and lesbian women are a valid part of that diversity. Therefore I am involved in combating homophobia in myself and in others.

This about sums up my position. Even my nation held up homosexuals as having an understanding straight people lacked.

:thumbsup:

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
I'm not a big fan of this survey... in some ways I'm tempted answer 7 or 8, but in others, I frankly don't have the energy to be that enthusiastic about all the groups that make up our world.

fair enuff

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not "afraid" of gays and I'm not hostile towards them, therefore I'm bot a "homophobe"

You certainly are obsessed with gay men and their sexual behaviors. Why is that?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I just think that homosexuality is sinful and immoral.

And do you believe people who engage in homosexual sex acts are themselves sinful and immoral?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where does that put me on the scale?

Where does that place

You're about a 2 on Riddle's scale.

Except I don't believe that you are "born that way".

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not "afraid" of gays and I'm not hostile towards them, therefore I'm bot a "homophobe"

You certainly are obsessed with gay men and their sexual behaviors. Why is that?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I just think that homosexuality is sinful and immoral.

And do you believe people who engage in homosexual sex acts are themselves sinful and immoral?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where does that put me on the scale?

Where does that place

You're about a 2 on Riddle's scale.

Except I don't believe that you are "born that way".

With an categorical classification system, you will never get perfect representation of the phenomenon you are attempting to measure. Rather, you just hope to capture the essential aspects of what you are trying to measure. The fact that you don't think people are born "that way" is a minor discrepancy. Overall, you seem to fit that category quite nicely.

Do you believe people who engage in homosexual sex acts are themselves sinful and immoral, by the way?