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[Rent]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I have to say that HL2 pwns Doom3's ass, if only because it will be more than a technology demo, which is all that idsoftware is capable of doing; making engines. Hopefully somebody will apply a game worth playing to this doom3 engine, and then we can really talk

Oh yeah, because Valve has made so many great games. There's half life, then there's half life, then there's half life for ps2, and you can't forget half life. And of course there's always half life. Valve's impressive lineup of half life, half life, half life, and half life completely outdo everything Id has ever done. I mean, what games has Id really made? Doom? Who played that game? And the quake series, now those games really sucked ass.

In summary, saying that all Id is capable of doing is making engines is just stupid. To say that Doom 3 will be only a technology demo is even stupider. It's bordering on insanely bleeping idiotic.

Half-life packed more game play than all that idsoftware has done in the past decade. I said they're an engine shop because they are. Did you even play doom? Doom 2? Quake? Q2? Q3? In fact let me ask you if you've played only one of them, because if you have, you've played them all. Idsoftware's take on gaming is to throw more detail into it with better graphics, but the graphics in my garage are a hell of a lot better and you don't see me playing in there all day because it's boring and tedious - just like everything idsoftware makes now.

HL2 demo blows this thing away. Out of the water. It shows that their technology is up to snuff, and unlike idsoftware they actually understand the importance of at least SOME story. Hell, Q3 didn't even TRY and have a story. It wasn't even a poorly written paragraph at the beginning of the game.

Uh, you're freaking retarded. Valves tech is NOT up to snuff. Are we forgetting that their engine didn't even work with FSAA on any graphics cards a few months ago, or that it ran so poorly on Geforce cards (the most common gaming cards on the market) that they're going to have to go back and recode to make it perform better? How about the hacker that retreived the source from Valve and showed everyone that their "non-linear, non-scripted gameplay" was BS?

Valve is just taking their time because they know HL2 will sell regardless of when they release it. HL was a great game and it deserves all the accolades it has received, but Valve hasn't even established a track record.

The Doom tech, however, runs on near anything. How well it runs, thats another question because the engine is extremely intensive. It doesn't favor one manufacturer over another.

Quake 3 was made for one purpose. It was a tourney game, nothing more, nothing less. It was just about blowing up all of your opponents. id fully recognizes that they are not storytellers or plottwisters, thats why Raven is already working on Quake 4 with the D3 engine.

Let me ask you this - when you think of the FPS genre, what games immediately pop into your head? Wolfenstein & Doom are the first games I name, Half-Life comes much later down the line. At least Half-Life worked properly when it came out, maybe because it used Quake tech :Q :disgust:

 

[StageLeft]

just some advice, when you do get around to getting a new video card, if they haven't released anything new; go with nvidia's 5900 series. I have seen the 9800XT in action and have to say it is really not any better than my oc'ed 5900 nu. just my $0.02 though, by all means do what you want

Thanks, but nvidia will probably be selling the 20000000 series in bargain bins by the time I upgrade!

Uh, you're freaking retarded.

Honestly, Rent, and I'm not saying this for theatrical effect, but the rest of your post I hope was not directed at me, because I saw no need to read it after your opening. Thanks for the effort though

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

just some advice, when you do get around to getting a new video card, if they haven't released anything new; go with nvidia's 5900 series. I have seen the 9800XT in action and have to say it is really not any better than my oc'ed 5900 nu. just my $0.02 though, by all means do what you want

Thanks, but nvidia will probably be selling the 20000000 series in bargain bins by the time I upgrade!

Uh, you're freaking retarded.

Honestly, Rent, and I'm not saying this for theatrical effect, but the rest of your post I hope was not directed at me, because I saw no need to read it after your opening. Thanks for the effort though

Oh gee, I wouldn't want to spoil any delusions of yours with reality.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: Skoorb I have to say that HL2 pwns Doom3's ass, if only because it will be more than a technology demo, which is all that idsoftware is capable of doing; making engines. Hopefully somebody will apply a game worth playing to this doom3 engine, and then we can really talk

Oh yeah, because Valve has made so many great games. There's half life, then there's half life, then there's half life for ps2, and you can't forget half life. And of course there's always half life. Valve's impressive lineup of half life, half life, half life, and half life completely outdo everything Id has ever done. I mean, what games has Id really made? Doom? Who played that game? And the quake series, now those games really sucked ass. In summary, saying that all Id is capable of doing is making engines is just stupid. To say that Doom 3 will be only a technology demo is even stupider. It's bordering on insanely bleeping idiotic.

Half-life packed more game play than all that idsoftware has done in the past decade. I said they're an engine shop because they are. Did you even play doom? Doom 2? Quake? Q2? Q3? In fact let me ask you if you've played only one of them, because if you have, you've played them all. Idsoftware's take on gaming is to throw more detail into it with better graphics, but the graphics in my garage are a hell of a lot better and you don't see me playing in there all day because it's boring and tedious - just like everything idsoftware makes now. HL2 demo blows this thing away. Out of the water. It shows that their technology is up to snuff, and unlike idsoftware they actually understand the importance of at least SOME story. Hell, Q3 didn't even TRY and have a story. It wasn't even a poorly written paragraph at the beginning of the game.

Uh, you're freaking retarded. Valves tech is NOT up to snuff. Are we forgetting that their engine didn't even work with FSAA on any graphics cards a few months ago, or that it ran so poorly on Geforce cards (the most common gaming cards on the market) that they're going to have to go back and recode to make it perform better? How about the hacker that retreived the source from Valve and showed everyone that their "non-linear, non-scripted gameplay" was BS? Valve is just taking their time because they know HL2 will sell regardless of when they release it. HL was a great game and it deserves all the accolades it has received, but Valve hasn't even established a track record. The Doom tech, however, runs on near anything. How well it runs, thats another question because the engine is extremely intensive. It doesn't favor one manufacturer over another. Quake 3 was made for one purpose. It was a tourney game, nothing more, nothing less. It was just about blowing up all of your opponents. id fully recognizes that they are not storytellers or plottwisters, thats why Raven is already working on Quake 4 with the D3 engine. Let me ask you this - when you think of the FPS genre, what games immediately pop into your head? Wolfenstein & Doom are the first games I name, Half-Life comes much later down the line. At least Half-Life worked properly when it came out, maybe because it used Quake tech :Q :disgust:

he's not saying that their engine is not good. he is saying that they don't have a story to match how good their engine is. Sure it is fun to blow stuff up, and kill other living beings, but I know that I can only take so much of that. If a company expects someone to finish their game (40 hours of gameplay is usually the standard), then they should really put a story behind what is happening, otherwise, I will just fire up my copy of half life and play online for a while if I want to blow stuff up.

 

[rmrf]

I knew as soon as HL2 was mentioned, this was going to turn into something much more than a "wow Doom3 is cool" thread.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: Skoorb

just some advice, when you do get around to getting a new video card, if they haven't released anything new; go with nvidia's 5900 series. I have seen the 9800XT in action and have to say it is really not any better than my oc'ed 5900 nu. just my $0.02 though, by all means do what you want

Thanks, but nvidia will probably be selling the 20000000 series in bargain bins by the time I upgrade!

Uh, you're freaking retarded.

Honestly, Rent, and I'm not saying this for theatrical effect, but the rest of your post I hope was not directed at me, because I saw no need to read it after your opening. Thanks for the effort though

Oh gee, I wouldn't want to spoil any delusions of yours with reality.

I didn't think you did

he's not saying that their engine is not good. he is saying that they don't have a story to match how good their engine is.

Yeah, their engines are good, it's just that their games are boring. In fact I think other than Doom - or was it Doom II - I've NEVER finished an id game. Not wolfenstein, not quake, not any of them. Because it's just level after level of the same crap.

 

[Rent]

Anyone that thinks Valves tech is up to snuff needs to get their head out of their ass and wonder why the game as been delayed so long.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yeah, their engines are good, it's just that their games are boring. In fact I think other than Doom - or was it Doom II - I've NEVER finished an id game. Not wolfenstein, not quake, not any of them. Because it's just level after level of the same crap.

ditto. that type of gameplay is no longer good enough for today. i never played doom/quake until a couple of years ago, my impression of them: mind numbingly boring

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Rent
Anyone that thinks Valves tech is up to snuff needs to get their head out of their ass and wonder why the game as been delayed so long.

Well, I know you've seen that demo from god knows how far back, and the physics were - by far - better than anything I've seen in any demo. Whether idsoftware has such built into their engine I don't know, but valve set the bar high with that demo. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 2006 before HL2 is actually released, but hopefully that won't be the case.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: Rent
Anyone that thinks Valves tech is up to snuff needs to get their head out of their ass and wonder why the game as been delayed so long.

Hmmm, I guess Doom3 is right on schedule then, huh?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Rent
Anyone that thinks Valves tech is up to snuff needs to get their head out of their ass and wonder why the game as been delayed so long.

Hmmm, I guess Doom3 is right on schedule then, huh?

Ouch!

 

[Lyfer]

That was "ok".



I'm looking forward to HL2.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Rent
Anyone that thinks Valves tech is up to snuff needs to get their head out of their ass and wonder why the game as been delayed so long.

Hmmm, I guess Doom3 is right on schedule then, huh?

I'd have loved to see Doom 3 released a year ago... and the flood of posts complaining about how their Geforce3 and Radeon 8500s couldn't play it. Of course, it didn't help that ATI "accidentally" leaked the demo they were using.

 

[Xionide]

Anyone wondering if that is just some video and the game isnt going to look aas good in that video is wrong. It does, ive seen it. Its beautiful. As for the whole D3 VS HL2 WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?!?! The games arent even out yet and they both have some of the most amazingly cool things in a game ever. And you are all just bitchin about it. Whatever happened to just playing games instead of arguing about something you have no idea what the outcome is. Fvcking A man...

-Xionide

 

[kami]

What's with all the Doom bashing now?

Half Life is awesome, I agree. My first time playing the "Half Life: Day One" demo is still one of my best gaming moments of all time. But id Software are there to serve their niche. Deathmatch in any id game is fast paced and frag-filled. Spend a few months with any of them and when you go play any unreal-based game or half life you'll almost fall asleep. Some people prefer this to Half Life or UT style gameplay. I personally enjoy both types, though I haven't fired up Q3A in a long time. Been giving my Xbox a lot of love as well as the UT2004 demo which is amazing.

Doom 3 will be more than a tech demo. It's going back to its roots...a horror FPS game. I don't know about you guys, but back when Doom 1 first came out it scared me sh!tless. I would catch myself trying to peak around my monitor to see stuff around a wall in the game. From what I've seen, Doom 3 promises the same stuff and I can't wait for it.

I'm equally looking forward to Half Life 2 for its own reasons....

It's a good time to be a gamer, just enjoy it all.

 

[StageLeft]

We CAN'T enjoy them, because they're not out, so we're left with arguing on the internet over it!

 

[NFS4]

Watched it and was totally unimpressed. I think actually passed gas from sheer boredom.

Now the HL2 trailers OTOH just made me go WOW!

 

[CubicZirconia]

The point is that valve has made only 1 game. A single game whose quality has been monstrously overblown by the success of user made modifications. If there were no mods, no one would be playing HL anymore. Yes, the single player was good, but it wasn't that good (and don't forget that the standard HL dm was terrible). Everyone loves to talk about how it's the greatest game ever, but most people haven't played the game in years if you exclude user made modifications.

And then there's the ever-present story argument. To be clear, Half Life did not have a great story. Last time I checked, the "oh no, aliens are attacking, kill everything!" storyline doesn't require that much thought to come up with. Let's be honest people, it just wasn't that complex. Half Life's quality has been artificially inflated to 100 times what it actually is. Furthermore, if you take a look at a game like UT, you realize that games do not necessarily need a great storyline to be very high quality. UT is one of the best games ever, and it had essentially no story. What it did have, however, was gameplay. And if Doom 3 has that, the possibly questionable storyline just won't matter that much.

 

[kami]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We CAN'T enjoy them, because they're not out, so we're left with arguing on the internet over it!

Yeah but we all know what they say about arguing on the internet

NFS4, LOL waiting for you to show up. At least you didn't say everything is brown and green.

 

[StageLeft]

CubicZirconia I know, I was in part rehashing others' arguments. When I played HL I thought it was good, but just another FPS, though a cut above the rest. The story was...well just a standard FPS story to me. I think HL2 will be pretty good, in part because with all of the hype you know that it's going to have a lot of user mods...plus the physics are shockingly cool, and with at least some semblance of a story, I'll be able to maintain interest to the end.

My largest gripe with HL was that you're stuck with a damn crowbar for like 2/3 of the game But, there were some damn cool parts too like the platoon dynamics and what not.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Rent


Let me ask you this - when you think of the FPS genre, what games immediately pop into your head?

Counter-Strike. And most of the world agrees with me, BEEEEYOTCH

 

[Atlantean]

This game looks awesome. I hate it when people say halflife 2 will be better than doom 3 or doom 3 will be better than halflife 2 because neither game is completed yet. I am waiting more for doom 3 than hl2 because I never really played the first hl. I just want both games to come out soon so I can play both. But I am more excited for d3 than hl2.

 

[CubicZirconia]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Rent


Let me ask you this - when you think of the FPS genre, what games immediately pop into your head?

Counter-Strike. And most of the world agrees with me, BEEEEYOTCH

Ah Counter-Strike. Now there's a game that should have died years ago.

Edit: And I'm not saying that HL2 won't be good, I'm saying it's ridiculous to write off Doom 3 as nothing more than a tech demo.

Edit #2: Nor am I saying that HL was a terrible game. It was a solid FPS- but it wasn't nearly as good as people make it out to be.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Rent


Let me ask you this - when you think of the FPS genre, what games immediately pop into your head?

Counter-Strike. And most of the world agrees with me, BEEEEYOTCH

Ah Counter-Strike. Now there's a game that should have died years ago.

Why? You suck at teh knife?

 

[StageLeft]

Ah Counter-Strike. Now there's a game that should have died years ago.

CS has more fun in a single level of dust played for 8 hours long than Quake 3 ever had I don't play it anymore, but it is one of the most successful FPS games.

When I think of an FPS game off the bat, I think of doom, because of the media hysteria. But, I don't play it anymore, and neither does anybody here. I was in enthralled the first time I saw it, like I could hardly believe what I was seeing, but that was a decade ago.