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DOOM III delayed until 2004 - can Microsoft be the reason ???

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NicColt

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Saw this when I was over at rage3d.com

HomeLanFed.com listened to Activision's conference call this morning. According to their call, which is linked below, Doom 3 will likely be released in "Q4 2004 FY (January-March 2004)". Click the link to reach the financial page for Activision and click webcast then Q1 2004 FY conference call to listen in.
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On July 22nd. Activision said this;

id Software? and Activision confirmed that id Software?s DOOM 3?, one of the most anticipated games, is headed to the Xbox video game system from Microsoft.
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but no date has been released. Is it possible that MS and nvidia offered JC a bag of money in order to skip the xmas PC launch to have it released on Xbox first and to coincide with the release of nvidia's next gen card???

Carmak sold his morals (cheap) to nvidia now he's selling his soul to Microsoft. I never though that he'd go this low but apparently he has.
 
Carmak sold his morals (cheap) to nvidia now he's selling his soul to Microsoft. I never though that he'd go this low but apparently he has.
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Sounds to me like you already decided Microsoft is somehow to blame and that Carmak "sold his sould" despite the fact that you don't have a shred of reliable proof in either of your quotes, all you have is speculation. It is possible that the game won't be ready until Q1 2004. It's hardly the first time in the history of PC gaming that a game has been delayed because it wasn't ready. IIRC, Doom III wasn't going to have a stong (any?) multiplayer options at first, but now apparantly it will. I would think this would add developement time to the game. Is it possible Microsoft is involved in a way you mentioned? Sure, it's possible. But I think it is more likely that the game simply won't be ready when initially thought. As I said, hardly the first (or last) time.

\Dan
 
Carmak sold his morals (cheap) to nvidia now he's selling his soul to Microsoft. I never though that he'd go this low but apparently he has.
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By optimizing for nV first? That's actually a compliment of sorts to ATI since the 9700 / 9800 didn't need optimizing as badly as the fx5900 did. And doing nV optimizations first might also have been payback for ATI leaking the doom3 alpha.

If Carmack had "sold his morals" to nV he wouldn't have thrown away nV's timedemo and used an id one instead for for the fx5900 promo fest. The benchmarking was obviously still biased towards nV cards, but probably much less than using an nV crafted demo.

If it were Romero I might give your suspicion some credence, but everything I've read from Carmack tells me he cares about crafting the best game engines much more than anything nV could offer him.

But Microsoft paying off Activision? Who knows -- it worked very well with Halo and now KOTOR, so I'm sure MS at least discussed it internally. But if they actually did it it's pretty amazing that no one at MS or Activision has leaked that fact before now.
 
what difference does it make? hopefully the game will be well polished on both platforms if it is to be released on both platforms.
 
IMO I'd say it got delayed because Half Life 2 is hyped up more than it and is currently the one most is excited about. Before E3 everyone couldn't wait for Doom3 but when they showed footage of HL2 it seems the most talked about game changed to HL2.

I mean HL2 was coming out around the same time as Doom 3. I'd say id Soft/Activision thinks it would be better off coming once HL2 has been released for a while and after it dies down some. Three months or so after HL2 release theres Doom 3's hype back since its right around the corner(in 5-6 months or so after HL2 is released). They might just be afraid HL2 will hurt sales some.

Just my opinion though.
 
Maybe because Doom 3 won't be done until its done, its being released later than first anticipated.

Remember Half Life? Was that out on time? No fricking way, delayed by a heck of a lot.
Diakatana? Yup, delayed loads too.

Games get delayed. Deal with it. It's not always a conspiracy.
 
i dont think they bribed him, he already has more money than he knows what to do with and i think he cares more about the games imo. He is probably still a lil mad at ATI over the whole leakage thing also and sometimes there is no conspiracy, games just get delayed
 
I doubt it also. ID has never really cared about console games, and I don't think that any amount of money offered by microsoft would make Carmack change his personal agenda. Somebody will port DoomIII to Xbox after it is released for Id, like the rest of their tiltles that have been released for any console.
 
Just hope it doesnt turn out to be another Halo, released on the Xbox and a decade later lookie a PC version you all can enjoy while the Xbox people can enjoy Doom4
 
Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
IMO I'd say it got delayed because Half Life 2 is hyped up more than it and is currently the one most is excited about. Before E3 everyone couldn't wait for Doom3 but when they showed footage of HL2 it seems the most talked about game changed to HL2.

I mean HL2 was coming out around the same time as Doom 3. I'd say id Soft/Activision thinks it would be better off coming once HL2 has been released for a while and after it dies down some. Three months or so after HL2 release theres Doom 3's hype back since its right around the corner(in 5-6 months or so after HL2 is released). They might just be afraid HL2 will hurt sales some.

Just my opinion though.
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I think it's gonna take a lot more than 3 months for Half-Life 2 to die down. Remember how long it took the first Half-Life to die down? 5 years and counting...

PC and console game release dates don't really affect each other. Some games are released on consoles first and later ported to the PC, and vice-versa.
 
I wouldn't be surprised. I did read something about MS offering "incentives" to delay PC releases until after or at the same time as the Xbox release. It's no big deal. When it comes right down to it why are games made if it isn't to rake it in? The dollahs for Carmack's Ferraris have to come from somewhere 😉
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Just hope it doesnt turn out to be another Halo, released on the Xbox and a decade later lookie a PC
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wow! I thought any hopes of a PC version of Halo were long since dead! But your comment prompted me to google it, and sure enough, Halo's coming out for the PC soon! WAAAAAAAAA-HOOOOOOOO!!!

Now, for the first time in the history of my game-buying, I will be purchasing the same game twice, for two different platforms. (I am HIGHLY annoyed at the thought of this)

 
maybe, the real reason is that they can't get the game to work? I mean it is neat showing wireframe (and mipmapped) characters have real life gravity movements (the soldier falling demo, as example) but how well does it work when combining action, reaction, synthesis of control, on top of 768 DSL bandwidth?

Sure, you can ask the gamester out there to shell out $2000 for a 2003 top of the line system and then pay $59.99 for the game. People are used to getting reamed. But the peasants will storm the castle if the damn thing doesn't work right out of the box.
 
Originally posted by: TechnoGuRu
Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
IMO I'd say it got delayed because Half Life 2 is hyped up more than it and is currently the one most is excited about. Before E3 everyone couldn't wait for Doom3 but when they showed footage of HL2 it seems the most talked about game changed to HL2.

I mean HL2 was coming out around the same time as Doom 3. I'd say id Soft/Activision thinks it would be better off coming once HL2 has been released for a while and after it dies down some. Three months or so after HL2 release theres Doom 3's hype back since its right around the corner(in 5-6 months or so after HL2 is released). They might just be afraid HL2 will hurt sales some.

Just my opinion though.
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I think it's gonna take a lot more than 3 months for Half-Life 2 to die down. Remember how long it took the first Half-Life to die down? 5 years and counting...

PC and console game release dates don't really affect each other. Some games are released on consoles first and later ported to the PC, and vice-versa.
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I didnt mean die down as in die totally. I meant hype. Everyones like awwwww I can't wait till its released. Three months(enough time for most to play and beat it) after its released that will be totally gone. Heres Doom III around the corner and there the hype will be fired back up for it again.

No one will ever know really why it was delayed.
 
>It's no big deal.... The dollahs for Carmack's Ferraris have to come from somewhere
>Sounds to me like you already decided Microsoft is somehow to blame and that Carmak "sold his sould"
>despite the fact that you don't have a shred of reliable proof in either of your quotes,

and originally those dollars and Ferraris came from the loyal fan base back in 1992 like me and others that bought wolf3d and DOOM, and we are the ones that made him what he is today, his fans should be his primary focus and not corporations and greed. IF and I say IF it turns out that he delayed DOOM III because of MS or NV that would mean that he betrayed his own fan base and became a sellout. You know you don't need to see the virus to know that you have a cold..... if it has feathers and it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Every indication was that DOOM III was on target and was not going to be delayed, he had mentioned that several times, and especially in time for the xmas rush. Let's all make a pack and revisit this thread in 9 months time when it will either be released or delayed again and see what the release of Doom III will sprout out of the darkness. I'll put my money on a few things coinciding being pulled out of the same hat at the same time.
 
This conspiracy theory based on no reliable proof ranks right up there with your IE is more secure than Mozilla because MozillaQuest says so rants.
 

Billy boy has nothing to do with it. Carmack doesn't want d3 to suck out of the box.

If you think this delay is bad, how long have we been waiting for duke nukem forever?

 
Originally posted by: NicColt
>It's no big deal.... The dollahs for Carmack's Ferraris have to come from somewhere
>Sounds to me like you already decided Microsoft is somehow to blame and that Carmak "sold his sould"
>despite the fact that you don't have a shred of reliable proof in either of your quotes,

and originally those dollars and Ferraris came from the loyal fan base back in 1992 like me and others that bought wolf3d and DOOM, and we are the ones that made him what he is today, his fans should be his primary focus and not corporations and greed. IF and I say IF it turns out that he delayed DOOM III because of MS or NV that would mean that he betrayed his own fan base and became a sellout. You know you don't need to see the virus to know that you have a cold..... if it has feathers and it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Every indication was that DOOM III was on target and was not going to be delayed, he had mentioned that several times, and especially in time for the xmas rush. Let's all make a pack and revisit this thread in 9 months time when it will either be released or delayed again and see what the release of Doom III will sprout out of the darkness. I'll put my money on a few things coinciding being pulled out of the same hat at the same time.
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Carmack also said Doom 3 wouldn't have multiplayer, and it seems like they are putting m-player in.
That coul dbe a reason for delay, because if he thought it would be intime as it was, then decided to add mplayer, it would, obviously, delay the game, and could be something he didn't anticipate originally.
 
>What a crock. Who's butt did you pull this info from?
>This conspiracy theory based on no reliable proof

poor noob you were probably in diapers back in 92, have no idea no clue no life of what's going on and nothing of usefullness to bring to posts. I guess every board has this type of waste of bandwidth. Like I said let's revisit this post in 9 months.
 
Originally posted by: NicColt
>It's no big deal.... The dollahs for Carmack's Ferraris have to come from somewhere
>Sounds to me like you already decided Microsoft is somehow to blame and that Carmak "sold his sould"
>despite the fact that you don't have a shred of reliable proof in either of your quotes,

and originally those dollars and Ferraris came from the loyal fan base back in 1992 like me and others that bought wolf3d and DOOM, and we are the ones that made him what he is today, his fans should be his primary focus and not corporations and greed. IF and I say IF it turns out that he delayed DOOM III because of MS or NV that would mean that he betrayed his own fan base and became a sellout. You know you don't need to see the virus to know that you have a cold..... if it has feathers and it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Every indication was that DOOM III was on target and was not going to be delayed, he had mentioned that several times, and especially in time for the xmas rush. Let's all make a pack and revisit this thread in 9 months time when it will either be released or delayed again and see what the release of Doom III will sprout out of the darkness. I'll put my money on a few things coinciding being pulled out of the same hat at the same time.
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Do you need some paddles for the boat in the river you're crying? This is analogous to the people who like a band when they're small, then when they "make it" all of a sudden they're "sell outs." They are a *business* after all.

 
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