DOOM 3 IS NOT MULTIPLAYER!!!

[Malladine]

Good call on Max Payne man. But i'm forced to question if you've ever played in a good online match, whatever game, or in a LAN game (vastly superior to any internet game).

 

[43st]

Only 10-20% of people that purchase a game actually go online with that game. Multiplayer may be cool but it's certainly not needed to have a successful game.

 

[sugajay]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
what the hell? I could've sworn I read that Doom3 would have multiplayer but it wouldn't be the same focus. I even remember reading something about how the dark and moody atmosphere would play a really important role, like how people would have to utilize the shadows. Was I just dreaming?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/preview_6026019.html

GS: We all know that the focus is on Doom III's single-player component, but tell us what the current multiplayer plans are and where they stand right now.

TW: Our focus hasn't changed--we're putting all our resources into developing an unbelievable single-player experience. We will, however, include a multiplayer component that includes game types like deathmatch and last man standing. There is nothing more visceral than competing against another human player, particularly in a first-person game. However, this experience is going to be very different from something like Quake III Arena. Doom III multiplayer is incredibly intense, and the light and shadows play a much bigger role in the gameplay. Never before in a multiplayer game have players had to worry about their shadow and whether or not it has revealed their position, or been able to shoot out lights so they can hide in the darkness. This alone adds a level of reality, depth, and atmosphere that is again going to redefine expectations about how a multiplayer game should look and feel.

 

[Brian48]

From a business stand point, I don't see the reason for it. Putting a multiplayer option into Doom III would defeat the purpose of Quake 4. Not to mention bleed sales away from that title.

The ugly truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter whether you buy or not buy Doom III. In fact, the game can complete suck and that would be OK too. Doom III is primarily just a showcase for ID's next gen graphics engine. I personally don't think they'll make that much money on it from sales alone. Maybe break even at best. The real bread and butter is going to come from all salivating game developers that's already standing in line to lease/buy the engine license.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by EdipisReks:
single player will for a long time be the major market for games.

What about the MMO market? If you mean a long time in tech terms, sure. But a long time in human terms? Nah. It'll always have a certain appeal, but with the rising popularity of broadband, the ease of access and addictive nature found in MMOs and, most importantly, the enormous enjoyment to be found in playing against other people in general, single player gaming will be rapidly taking the back seat in the pc game industry.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by EdipisReks:
single player will for a long time be the major market for games.

What about the MMO market?

the MMO market is a pretty small part of the overall PC game market. and guys, since when is Max Payne a single player FPS?

 

[Malladine]

Doom III multiplayer is incredibly intense, and the light and shadows play a much bigger role in the gameplay. Never before in a multiplayer game have players had to worry about their shadow and whether or not it has revealed their position, or been able to shoot out lights so they can hide in the darkness. This alone adds a level of reality, depth, and atmosphere that is again going to redefine expectations about how a multiplayer game should look and feel

Now THAT is exciting! :Q

 

[Malladine]

Small now yes. You didn't answer the overall response I made with that post...

And Max Payne not FPS? Fine, TPS you pedantic SOB

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: everman
I still say the game is more of just a fancy tech demo so they can lisence out their engine. I have no doubt that it's designed to work well with a multiplayer component.

OK, if that's the case, then why in the world wouldn't they make a multiplayer part to this game?

 

[Malladine]

Ilmater, do you really believe there will never be a multiplayer aspect of Doom 3?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Wiktor
Of course HL was multiplayer.

As to Doom3 - how could it not be multiplayer - I mean the successor of the first multiplayer FPP game, give me a break.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING! It was hyped because the first DOOM became that "killer app" that started a big boom in PC and component sales. I'm just stupified.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by EdipisReks:
single player will for a long time be the major market for games.

What about the MMO market? If you mean a long time in tech terms, sure. But a long time in human terms? Nah. It'll always have a certain appeal, but with the rising popularity of broadband, the ease of access and addictive nature found in MMOs and, most importantly, the enormous enjoyment to be found in playing against other people in general, single player gaming will be rapidly taking the back seat in the pc game industry.

broadband, while increasing, still doesn't have a high enough market penetration in most multiplayer games hugely popular with the general population. most people i know don't have the time to spend on MMO's, and most people i know (including myself) think that MMO's are a waste of time and boring after the initial excitement is over. beyond that, a lot of people aren't going to be willing to shell out money every month just to have an online marriage with an "elf". a lot of people (including myself) also often tire of playing against or with other people because most people playing online games are irritating little 13 year olds who don't care about anyone elses enjoyment of the game. this is less prevalent with MMO, but it is still a problem. keep in mind that people have been crying that the end was nigh for single player games for a decade. nothing of the kind has happened.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Wiktor
Of course HL was multiplayer.

As to Doom3 - how could it not be multiplayer - I mean the successor of the first multiplayer FPP game, give me a break.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING! It was hyped because the first DOOM became that "killer app" that started a big boom in PC and component sales. I'm just stupified.

I disagree. It isn't hyped based on the original doom's groundbreaking innovation, it's been hyped for it's graphical leaps. Everyone enjoyed doom. It was awesome and obviously our door into the multiplayer FPS world. However, that time has past. There really is nothing to scream and shout about here.

 

[Malladine]

also often tire of playing against or with other people because most people playing online games are irritating little 13 year olds who don't care about anyone elses enjoyment of the game

I know what you're talking about, but I think you'll find that if you persevere some more, you'll uncover some mature, trustworthy and just plain fun people with whom to game. Like me

I won't get into a discussion on the relative pros and cons of MMOs. I'll just say that my wife and I have both played them together and simply do not associate with immature fools.

keep in mind that people have been crying that the end was nigh for single player games for a decade. nothing of the kind has happened.

I wouldn't go that far I've always enjoyed a good single player game. Like many here my Hobby began with them. How could they not have a place close to my heart? But I would make one point here: imagine if you had no other people to talk to. Imagine if there were no others with whom you could discuss the latest RPG you completed. Without others to join you in your appreciation of a good game, what worth do they really have? I find myself drawn more and more to the view that it is the fact that all too many gamers unwittingly ignore the importance of their fellow human beings which results in games in general being corrupted to one degree or another.

One more thing i'd mention: what about LAN gaming? I recognise that very few gamers actually go to lan parties, but what about a few friends hanging out every weekend (or all week) for some LAN action. I've been fairly recently converted to this mindset by experiencing some of the best gaming in my life while networked with 3, or even just 1 or 2, other people.

 

[bjc112]

The single player in any FPS isn't enough to give replay value to the game. It never has been and it never will be.

Are you serious? What about PS2.

Its not the end of the world without MP... What about some of the poor 56k users, i bet they still buy!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SgtZulu

And what, exactly, was this last "good single-player FPS" game you're talking about? Wolfenstein 3D? Come on. In this era of broadband internet access and LAN parties, few people would agree with you.

Ever heard of Max Payne? I could care less about playing online,that's what bots are for.

Max Payne isn't an "FPS"

 

[Malladine]

Max Payne isn't an "FPS"

You get the same as Edipis did above

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Max Payne isn't an "FPS"

You get the same as Edipis did above

???

 

[PrinceXizor]

I just read your "source" and nowhere in the artcile does the author use quotations, or quote directly from John Carmack. He simply paraphrases HIS take on what Carmack said. I will reserve judgement until someone more reputable comments on E3. There are enough hardware sites out there that if he really did straight out say no multiplayer, more people than the Inq would have it, from those reporting on E3.

P-X

Edit for darn typo of C-A-R-M-A-C-K....fat fingers strike again. P-X

 

[Malladine]

It's Carmack dude

 

[Malladine]

???

"Fine, TPS you pedantic SOB "

 

[microAmp]

According to this "undated" article is says otherwise.

Supporting the INQ statements?

 

[BmXStuD]

Originally posted by: SgtZulu
who cares? at least you don't have to deal with a bunch of cheating 13 yearolds

Umm. Cheaters come in all differnt sizes and ages.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Malladine

also often tire of playing against or with other people because most people playing online games are irritating little 13 year olds who don't care about anyone elses enjoyment of the game

I know what you're talking about, but I think you'll find that if you persevere some more, you'll uncover some mature, trustworthy and just plain fun people with whom to game.

i've been playing multiplayer games since doom, so believe me, i've perservered. it would be nice if there were more people like you online.

 

[KristopherKubicki]

Meh, Doom 3... HL2 is going to be better...