Don't you ponder about how horrific mankind is?

Zeze

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I do... we as a species... we are amazingly successful at domination. We learned to use tools, build societies, etc. I think this all came from our primitive desire to ADVANCE.

I think that same bloodlust for advancement bred some really awful trait for doing some things we do... kill/rape/torture others/babies/infants/helpless, etc.

We really do some horrific things to each other... serial killing, torturing, making others miserable, physically abuse infants, kids, and sigh molesing/raping.

I mean we're not pacifists. We always want to expand and dominate. We assassinate, murder, torture others... throughout history. We are pretty SICK species from outside looking in.

The things we do... you don't have an excuse for that. We as a species are very horrific.

If some other sentient life was to observe us... they'd think just this.
 

brianmanahan

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i read a great sci-fi short story about this, how humans are just living in a simulation created by some real-world docile civilization (think pierson's puppeteers) to see what life would be like for a species that is extremely violent.

but then inside our simulated universe we solved the grand unified theory in 2080, figured out we were living in a simulation, figured out how to interact with the containing world, figured out how to get OUT of the simulation into their world... and then slaughtered them and conquered their world.
 
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BoomerD

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Nah...mankind has been a bunch of shits since we first crawled out of the ooze.
 

Red Squirrel

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I often do, we are good at destroying everything, creating terror not only to other species, but to our own as well. We are one of the cruelest and most destructive species really. If there is intelligent life out there, they're probably just sitting back waiting until we destroy ourselves before taking over the planet.
 

Exterous

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Most of nature is pretty terrible, vicious and without mercy

i read a great sci-fi short story about this, how humans are just living in a simulation created by some real-world docile civilization (think pierson's puppeteers) to see what life would be like for a species that is extremely violent.

but then inside our simulated universe we solved the grand unified theory in 2080, figured out we were living in a simulation, figured out how to interact with the containing world, figured out how to get OUT of the simulation into their world... and then slaughtered them and conquered their world.

Do you remember the title? Also SPOILERS
 

Kaido

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We as a species are very horrific.

I think bad things kind of fall into 3 groups:

1. Stuff nature does to you
2. Stuff other people do to you
3. Stuff that happens to you

Stuff nature does to you is like an earthquake. Stuff other people do to you is like a drive-by shooting. Stuff that happens to you is like a terminal illness.

Statistically, about a million people die every week - week in, week, out. That's a solid 50 million people a year who depart this realm. The WHO has a Top 10 list of what causes deaths worldwide:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/

Over a million people die from diarrhea every year...let that sink in, especially in comparison to about 18k murders in the U.S. per year. And in contrast, and not knocking their service & sacrifice in any way, a quick google search says that 4,486 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq and 2,345 U.S. soldiers died in Afghanistan...and that's since 2003 (a 15-year period). If you want to read some crazy stuff, read up on how the 1918 Spanish Influenza Epidemic decimated entire Alaskan villages...be warned that what happened to the babies & children is pretty haunting:

http://www.alaskaweb.org/disease/1918flu.htm

Worldwide, that particular strain of flu killed an estimated 20 to 50 million over a 2-year period. Hopping back over to the war discussion, very few people want to kill other people. In the early days of WWI, they would setup cameras at the trenches to record footage to up their game...and they found people on both sides were shooting in the air instead of at each other, because killing other people was such an adverse activity that people really didn't want to do it. They had to change circular targets to human-being-shaped targets to help people get over that mental roadblock. But ask people on either side & the majority of them would rather go back to their familes & go back to making a living than watch people die & kill people in the field of battle. So even the bad stuff that we do to each other isn't always necessarily choices we make on our own, which is an important thing to note because while there are some people out there who have murder in their heart, most people don't.

Which isn't to say that we aren't all subject to losing control in the heat of the moment...tons of people have been killed in road rage incidents, where they have no prior history of harming other people. The reasons behind inflicting death & injury on other people makes for a long & complicated list, and for the most part, outside of major wars, pale in comparison to the loss of life that nature can inflict:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll

The bottom line is that earth can be a scary place, man. We all have both good & bad inside of us. Life is complicated. But things are improving all the time...just look at the last election. Literally almost 50% of the people didn't want the current president in office, and yet there wasn't a huge, bloody riot in the wake of it, which is HIGHLY unusual for pretty much any country experiencing a change in power management. There will always be people doing rotten things out there, and there will always be situations, like getting drafted into war, that force you to make awful decisions. And it's easy to focus on that stuff, if you watch the news all day. Happens to most people I know who retire..they go from being productive & working to sitting around watching a newsfeed of all of the horrible stuff that goes and and suddenly "the world's going to the dogs". Well, the world has always been going to the dogs, that's nothing new! lol.

You can't change the world, you can't change other people, but you can change yourself, and you can affect those around you in a positive way. You can contribute, you can be nice to people, you can help out, you can make a difference with the people you interact with. You don't have to be a troll online or be a jerk IRL - you can make life better for yourself & for those around you, or you can focus on all of the negativity in the world (which again, is quite easy to do). It ultimately boils down to individual choice. I really liked the ending from "Bedazzled" with Brendan Fraser, where they point out exactly that. There's a saying that goes something like, "your perception determines your reality", i.e. what you choose to focus on & what you decide to adopt as for an attitude & outlook on life more or less determines the actions you take & how you feel about things, so if you want to see how bad thing are, the rabbit hole is literally endless...but if you want to focus on just how good things can be, the opportunity for making it so is equally endless.
 
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ImpulsE69

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Assuming you follow evolution as how humans came about, then it makes sense. Everything 'life' is mostly aggressive, violent, and simply looking to expand and consume. We are an advanced 'virus' essentially, we're just aware of what we are doing.

I believe those who avoid hate, violence to others, jealousy, greed, (hmm 7 deadly sins maybe?) are elevated spiritually and intellectually. Unfortunately, most of that goes against millions of years of instinct so the % of people able to do that are very few.
 

brianmanahan

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Do you remember the title? Also SPOILERS

unfortunately no :( i looked all over for it before making this post. i wouldn't have spoiled it otherwise, but i think it wasn't a very well-known short story so i can't find it anywhere.
 

shortylickens

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I've seen some horrible things. Mostly in Kosovo.
I've also seen some wonderful things. Also in Kosovo.

Life is complex. Rather than trying to rationalize and simplify everything, I think its better to expand your mind and accept its all part of the great big amazing world we live in.
 

Franz316

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Humans are basically input-output machines - you put in shit and you'll probably get shit on the other end. Given a person's core needs are met.. food, water, shelter, mental and emotional support, non-abusive upbringing, sense of belonging.. then I think most people turn out alright for the most part. Once you start removing those core necessities, all bets are off on the type of person you'll get.

I've traveled all over the world being in many cultures and the vast majority of people are friendly and helpful. The crappy people just get the headlines.
 
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Assuming you follow evolution as how humans came about, then it makes sense. Everything 'life' is mostly aggressive, violent, and simply looking to expand and consume. We are an advanced 'virus' essentially, we're just aware of what we are doing.

I believe those who avoid hate, violence to others, jealousy, greed, (hmm 7 deadly sins maybe?) are elevated spiritually and intellectually. Unfortunately, most of that goes against millions of years of instinct so the % of people able to do that are very few.
Avoid hate/violence... so what about people that contributed to society overall with things like nuclear energy, but were the overall invention of destruction as well?
 

ImpulsE69

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Avoid hate/violence... so what about people that contributed to society overall with things like nuclear energy, but were the overall invention of destruction as well?

In many if not most cases, people didn't build something to destroy. It was others who said, "hey you know what that would be good for?!". When it's out there it's too late to stop someone from warping your intentions.

"They spent so much time seeing if they could, they didn't stop to think if they should" I think this fits what you mean well.

In other cases, money talks. Greed is almost a universal concept that can trace almost everything 'bad' back to it as well. Greed doesn't just apply to money although that's how it is referenced most of the time.
 

BurnItDwn

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For ever sick twisted fuck there are maybe a hundred or so mostly harmless folks.

We mostly learn about the twisted fucks because they are the ones who shit all over the toilet seat and break the bathroom for everbody.
 

ImpulsE69

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For ever sick twisted fuck there are maybe a hundred or so mostly harmless folks.

We mostly learn about the twisted fucks because they are the ones who shit all over the toilet seat and break the bathroom for everbody.

That all goes out the window once basic needs are no longer met. Hell take away someones internet and see how long they are 'nice'. :D
 

FeuerFrei

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I'd be careful thinking along those lines. Sure such misbehavior means the perps won't be missed by society if they die, but unfortunately secularists today use such anti-mankind rhetoric to justify categorically devaluing all human life, if not out-and-out genocide. I guess if you believe in nothing, you have no hope.

Sin nature is not insurmountable. We can control ourselves, and influence others to as well. Helps if you nip things in the bud, and have a standard of behavior.

The entertainment industry is working on making abuse acceptable, FYI. Good folks bringing ur videos. First get people to laugh over the behavior, and not take it seriously. Then let them watch the behavior on screen, and tell them on-screen actions in no way influence real life. Then convince them there's nothing wrong, if consensual. Then persuade them it's more fun when non-consensual, and everyone wants it anyway. Then persuade them humans are worthless, a pox on the planet. Congrats, man, you have a nation of predatory monsters. No safety for you.