Anyone who is diehard for either side is a tool..simple as that. I have seen so many people blindly defend a party while convinently ignoring the problems and quick to bash the other. Both sides are so full of ****** it's unreal.
Don't you diehard dems and repubs get sick of it all?
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UberNeuman
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You should run to your window now, open it and yell: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!! AND I'M NOT GOING TO PAY A LOT FOR THIS MUFFLER!!!"
I actually consider myself a conservative but ever since the election I have just been disgusted with the political mudslinging from both sides. And also that both sides are worthless turds overall.
UberNeuman
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Just the constant bickering overall back and forth and stalling on issues like border etc. And I was extremely disgusted by the repubs for trying to smokescreen to cover the Foley issue by announcing an investigation or wanting to file charges against Sandy Burger. Stop trying to deflect the issue! Also, it shows poor leadership on the repub side that they knew about this for a few years and did nothing.
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ProfJohn
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Nice uber.
The problem with the OP is that most of us don't see us as "blindly" defending anything. We are standing up for what we truly believe.
Yes there are some who are blind, but most of us are not. Feeling strongly in what you believe in does not make you blindly loyal.
The problem with the OP is that most of us don't see us as "blindly" defending anything. We are standing up for what we truly believe.
Yes there are some who are blind, but most of us are not. Feeling strongly in what you believe in does not make you blindly loyal.
You know the type i'm talking about..so fast to hop on the other side but never met a member of their party they didnt like etc.
Generally disgusted with both parties, disgusted that I feel I have to choose the "lesser of two evils". I honestly hope we return to gridlock and perhaps elect a moderate fiscally conservative president in 08.
Indeed. I personally would have no problem voting for a Republican who shares my views, and I frequently have in the past. Part of the reason everything looks so partisan now is that there seems to be very little room for compromise and discussion are drowned out by people from both sides screaming at each other on national television. Speaking for my part, it's VERY hard to want to have a lot to do with a group of people who have repeatedly called you a traitor. And I imagine Republicans have similar problems.
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Part of the problem is that both parties are being dragged to the extreme by members of it.
On the left we have the Democratic Party which is being taken over by the anti-war dailykos types. Look at Lieberman, they essentially threw out a long time senator because he has ONE view that they don?t agree with.
And on the right the whole ?neocon? thing has become such a code word to the left that any and every policy coming out of the White House is discredited before anyone can even look at it.
I actually don?t think the Republican Party has been taken to the right as much as the Democratic party has been dragged left. There is a very good chance that the 08 Republican candidate will more moderate and more mainstream and not a neo-con, while the 08 Democrat candidate will most certainly be from the anti-war/dailykos part of the party, unless Hillary runs and wins.
And no mater which side you are on this war is driving a huge dived into our countries politics. I doubt we will see a change in tone in the countries politics until the war is over, or until the Iraq problem is solved or at least controlled to the point that it doesn?t dominate everything.
On the left we have the Democratic Party which is being taken over by the anti-war dailykos types. Look at Lieberman, they essentially threw out a long time senator because he has ONE view that they don?t agree with.
And on the right the whole ?neocon? thing has become such a code word to the left that any and every policy coming out of the White House is discredited before anyone can even look at it.
I actually don?t think the Republican Party has been taken to the right as much as the Democratic party has been dragged left. There is a very good chance that the 08 Republican candidate will more moderate and more mainstream and not a neo-con, while the 08 Democrat candidate will most certainly be from the anti-war/dailykos part of the party, unless Hillary runs and wins.
And no mater which side you are on this war is driving a huge dived into our countries politics. I doubt we will see a change in tone in the countries politics until the war is over, or until the Iraq problem is solved or at least controlled to the point that it doesn?t dominate everything.
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We hopefully share one common demoninater---namely that we use testable logic to make our points---we can hopefully also agree that this country has some real problems.
What we can't agree on is what is the right course---such is the nature of politics---and propaganda.
But each reader has to look at the various posts---examine the logic--strip out some of the passion---and see who makes the most sense.
No one can do it for you---its your mind you insult if you are unable to think for yourself.---you can examine motives, plans, results, the future, or the past.
But like it or not---we are all headed for an unknown future---and as voters we have inputs into shaping it.
What we can't agree on is what is the right course---such is the nature of politics---and propaganda.
But each reader has to look at the various posts---examine the logic--strip out some of the passion---and see who makes the most sense.
No one can do it for you---its your mind you insult if you are unable to think for yourself.---you can examine motives, plans, results, the future, or the past.
But like it or not---we are all headed for an unknown future---and as voters we have inputs into shaping it.
Well said. This is why I have respect for Leibermann. He's a democrat that isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in, even if it means going against his party's line. I may disagree with him, but that doesn't mean I can't respect him. Kudos to Leibermann for being true to himself. Too bad he lost.
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Odd anyone can imply the dems lost in CT.----for the dems its more head we win tails the repubs lose---either way a dem will win the CT. Senate seat.---Lamont or Lieberman--both dems.
Even if Lieberman wins and still is a GWB Iraq policy tool---enough dems will sweep into office to more than cancel Lieberman out---and enough GWB Repub Iraq policy tools will lose to add insult to that injury----and that is simply the bottom line---Lieberman will be but one voice in a 100---but that voice will certainly not be an overall republican tool on other matters.
And when and if Lieberman really lights into GWB over Iraq---it will also carry added weight in both camps.
Even if Lieberman wins and still is a GWB Iraq policy tool---enough dems will sweep into office to more than cancel Lieberman out---and enough GWB Repub Iraq policy tools will lose to add insult to that injury----and that is simply the bottom line---Lieberman will be but one voice in a 100---but that voice will certainly not be an overall republican tool on other matters.
And when and if Lieberman really lights into GWB over Iraq---it will also carry added weight in both camps.
I think a lot of added pressure has been put on both parties by this administration constantly spouting "you're either with us or them". I find that attitude abhorrent. There are a lot of people in this country that don't agree with the Bush administration on a number of issues. That doesn't mean that we are siding with the terrorists. Also both parties have been moving to the extreme left and right, in my opinion. They only fuel each other. The left keep moving left in attempts to disassociate themselves with the current administration, as they do the right keep heading further right, in attempts to make themselves seem better in the eyes of the public.
I agree not every democrat and republican are extremists, but as it tends to be the case the extremists are the loudest, and drown out everyone else. If everyone could stop fighting amongst themselves, perhaps we could deal with some real issues. I would love to see the day where democrats could actually give the republicans credit, for whatever good they might do. On the same note it would be even more amazing to see republicans, stop defending every single misguided failure of this administration, and actually admit that there have been many mistakes.
I have no affiliation with either party currently, but I must say the right keep driving me further away. Never willing to stand up and admit mistakes. However the real kicker in my eyes was this whole Foley scandal. Instead of republicans standing up and taking responsibility, the only thing I have seen any of them do is complain about the timing of the story. This has forever tainted any remaining credibility they had in my eyes.
Now maybe if they spent a little more time focused on the country and not constantly trying to blame the other party for everything, we might get some real work done. However, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
I agree not every democrat and republican are extremists, but as it tends to be the case the extremists are the loudest, and drown out everyone else. If everyone could stop fighting amongst themselves, perhaps we could deal with some real issues. I would love to see the day where democrats could actually give the republicans credit, for whatever good they might do. On the same note it would be even more amazing to see republicans, stop defending every single misguided failure of this administration, and actually admit that there have been many mistakes.
I have no affiliation with either party currently, but I must say the right keep driving me further away. Never willing to stand up and admit mistakes. However the real kicker in my eyes was this whole Foley scandal. Instead of republicans standing up and taking responsibility, the only thing I have seen any of them do is complain about the timing of the story. This has forever tainted any remaining credibility they had in my eyes.
Now maybe if they spent a little more time focused on the country and not constantly trying to blame the other party for everything, we might get some real work done. However, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Keep them occupied with, and distracted by, meaningless 'left vs right', 'Team A vs Team B' dogma and they won't notice who pulls the strings.
Different heads, same snake.
Different heads, same snake.
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Yeah, I think if no one got sick of it, they would be all like prof, ndtz and pabster...
It's called lets all vote for a 3rd party person. Screw voting for the lesser of the evil... 2 party system is a waste of a vote IMO.... Good Luck, and I hope your get over it.
It's called lets all vote for a 3rd party person. Screw voting for the lesser of the evil... 2 party system is a waste of a vote IMO.... Good Luck, and I hope your get over it.
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