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Don't vote D or R this year.

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If expansion of government is real change, you really were born yesterday, muttered the idiot to the loon in the mirror as if he had something meaningful to say.
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LOL I forgot this is how you reply, its been ages. :laugh: You spout poetry when you run out of political cliches to use. At least you're fun to read and not offensive.
 
The way to help third parties is to push for a change in the system to use 'ranked voting', letting people vote for a first choice, second choice, etc.

This election, the democrats are so much better than the republicans that it's nuts to consider not voting for them IMO.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Join the other half of America that doesn't vote. As long as the Republicans win by one vote they don't give a crap what you do. 'Shock the other parties' What a laugh.
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Its obvious you've made up your mind who you will vote for every time. Maybe we need some kind of auto-vote feature that people can sign up for when they no longer think for themselves. 😉
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Not surprising something like that would come to your mind since you started this thread to do all my thinking and tell me how to vote. Sorry, but I do my own thinking and have posted exhaustively in other current threads here about fools like you who waste their vote.

Let me sum up how the situation looks to me.

1. We have just been through 8 years of total disaster, the worst Presidency the US has ever seen, and 6 years of Republican control in which they took us from surplus into massive debt. Our situation is now extremely serious.

2. A Democrat or a Republican will win the coming election, no other Presidential candidate has the slightest chance.

3. McSame is a 90% Bush clone.

4. If Obama wins he will have a Democratic congress and a rare rare opportunity to actually pass legislation.

5. For these reasons only Obama has any chance at all of actually bringing real change.

6. Only a moron, given these facts, would vote for anybody but Obama.

To my mind you are essentially immature and irrational. You care more about your dissatisfaction with politics and politicians, your petty bitches, than you do about the real welfare of your country. There is only one road any thinking mind can take and you don't want to. You, however, have the company of millions of other fools who can't think clearly.
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If this is the mentality of an "intelligent" man, then this country is dead.

We are doing something awful to our children. I heard a speech the other day that described our two parties as the evil party, and the stupid party. I think he was wrong. I don't think either party is stupid, and both parties are evil. I don't think they are stupid because they successfully sell crap to the American people, over and over. They shit on them and take their money. And I think they are both evil because neither one is happy enough with my money and your money, they want your kids' money, too. In fact, they've already spent much of it.

Both parties have moved so far away from the ideas in which this government was founded, that even today, it's not the same country. America is dead. I don't know exactly when it died, but I know its dead. Our mentality of a restrained federal government and a powerful people is gone. And it has been replaced with a mentality of a powerful federal government and a restrained people. A people whose freedoms are diminishing every day.

Go head, vote for a Democrat, vote for a Republican. But remember what you are leaving behind for our future generations. Every baby that pops out of a womb already owes the government tens of thousands of dollars. Who knows what they will owe by the time they are old enough to work. Maybe they will revolt. I would. If so, it is a damn shame that they will feel forced to pick up a gun, or place an IED by a road because their parents and grandparents were too afraid to pick up a sign, protest, vote, something. Anything. Anything at all that would alter the course, give them something, something worth fighting for rather than fighting against.

I don't have any children myself, and honestly I am quite grateful for it. I couldn't look them in the face. We may deserve it, but they don't.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
The way to help third parties is to push for a change in the system to use 'ranked voting', letting people vote for a first choice, second choice, etc.
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Hey, I like that idea!

I was also thinking we need to destroy the electoral college. The President should be elected by popular vote. The vice president should be elected by state majority.
 
Does not really matter who wins now... the damage done to the republic by the Federal Reserve and the Bush Administration has destroyed the Republic. Welcome to the U.S.S.A. - "United Socialist States of America".

 
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Does not really matter who wins now... the damage done to the republic by the Federal Reserve and the Bush Administration has destroyed the Republic. Welcome to the U.S.S.A. - "United Socialist States of America".
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You guys crack me up. America is fine. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I won't reward the libertarians with my vote this year seeing as they've decided to choose Bob Barr to represent them. Lunatics. That, and this year, I realllly don't want the republicans to win.
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Well, to be fair, if he did get elected, none of the lunatic policies would get enacted by their 0 representatives in congress. He could say no really well to every other policy though.

Libertarian: The party that says no to anything that costs money.
Green: The party that wants nature to be as nature would be without humans, no matter the cost.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Does not really matter who wins now... the damage done to the republic by the Federal Reserve and the Bush Administration has destroyed the Republic. Welcome to the U.S.S.A. - "United Socialist States of America".
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You guys crack me up. America is fine. 🙂
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Oh, really? Do you know how much money we owe, to whom, and the economic trends for the middle and lower classes? Do you know how compromised our political system is?

But hey, when we had 90% elder poverty, life expectancy 45 years, masses of employed people living in slums and huts and working alongside their 10 year olds...

Some said we were find and the shining beacon, too. It's all relative. Some people will say that regardless of the policies in place, and fight progress.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Please please please send a message to the politicians of our two major but decaying parties.

I have decided that I don't like either party this year. At first I leaned towards Obama, but then I realized he's just a democratic version of Bush with a sketchy background. So then I was happy to see McCain going for it, even happier he chose a female gov from a state on the west coast - but now the way they're going about it I think it could be a dangerous team.

So I'm done, I just don't want either side.

I'm voting Libertarian this year.

You should too. Or vote Green.

I think Libertarian is what Republican used to be, and Green is what Democrat used to be. We need a clean sweep.
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The problem is the Libertarian and Green Parites are as bad, they just don't appear to be because they are so impotent. Thanks for playing😉
 
I am not a McCain supporter but a very strong BHO opposer, so strong that sometimes I end up supporting McCain. I am a strong conservative and HATE the ?Chicago style politics?. I probably wont be voting at all this year. Earlier last year I was really happy that McCain was coming in but now not so much not sure what he will do. Didnt hear any credible plans from him yet.
But voting for the 3rd party is out of question, they will never win so what the point, showing your support??? well i didnt really show it as noone will ever know who I really voted for...
 
My take is that the electoral votes will be the decider since americans are too divided... Tho, I've been saying this crap all along, let's get rid of the two party system. Even if somehow some THIRD party won by a land slide, the system is busted since the electoral votes aren't "RIGGED" for a Three Party system.

That's why I am am not voting this year. I've had enough of it all. 🙂 If you haven't figure out your vote doesn't count and even if it did, do you really want it to count for the two party ZOO we have running right now? It's sickening to see what America has become.

I'll be voting with the "MAJORITY" of the Americans ... You know the ones that can see through this BS, and that vote would be the NO vote.
 
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I am not a McCain supporter but a very strong BHO opposer, so strong that sometimes I end up supporting McCain. I am a strong conservative and HATE the ?Chicago style politics?. I probably wont be voting at all this year. Earlier last year I was really happy that McCain was coming in but now not so much not sure what he will do. Didnt hear any credible plans from him yet.
But voting for the 3rd party is out of question, they will never win so what the point, showing your support??? well i didnt really show it as noone will ever know who I really voted for...
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I liked McCain in 2000. But the person running as McCain now in 2008 is not the same person. If the McCain of 200 was running I might have voted for him. But I have to vote for Obama as the 2008 McCain is just to much like Bush.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Some said we were find and the shining beacon, too. It's all relative. Some people will say that regardless of the policies in place, and fight progress.
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You're right, it is relative.

I've spent a large part of my year in India.

Deal with that political corruption, poverty, and religious intolerance, then you come talk to me about how "bad" America is right now.
 
If I was in a swing state, I would vote for Obama, just in case the votes were legitimately counted, to keep Rove (McCain) out.

Since NY is not a swing state, I will be voting for either Steven Colbert or Ron Paul. Haven't decided which yet.
 
Originally posted by: glugglug
If I was in a swing state, I would vote for Obama, just in case the votes were legitimately counted, to keep Rove (McCain) out.

Since NY is not a swing state, I will be voting for either Steven Colbert or Ron Paul. Haven't decided which yet.
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LOL do it. 😀
 
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