Don't hold your breath for R520

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: ddogg

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct

I really hope nv doesn't think it can get away with just the GTX until the R520 is out. It needs to release a lower-end part for me, now.

Lower end? The GTX isn't that "high" end to begin with. What's more startling is the thing beats out last gen by not so hefty margins I might say.

How about higher End!

lol so what is the GTX...midrange?? its the highend at the moment but could change

If the GTX is mid ranged i wouldnt like to think what the prices would be for the high end EEK!

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: coldpower27
People are so spoiled after the last two generations of 100% performance increases. 😀

Were getting to the point where NVidia and ATI can't really maintain their price points, as their video cards on the high end are getting ever more expensive to produce.

What are you suggesting ATI and Nvidia do, continue to charge the same price point and simply eat the increased porduction costs? They already did that on NV40/R420, and you expect them to do it again this generation :? Bah.

Actually, I think if you look back through history, it's usually every other generation where performance is doubled. (so you're right)

At $600 the 7800GTX is a steal, by comparison.


X850XT PE rip off
So, you can pay $480-$580 for a PCIE X850XTPE that gets stomped flat in performance, consumes 50%+ more power, throws off more heat, is dual slot, has no HDR, no soft shadows, no SLI, no SM3- or you can pay the $600 and get the cutting edge at everything.

Gee, tough choice.

I bet even ATI employees are using 7800s these days.

I think Comp USA has the x850 for $350 (with $50 mail in rebate).... This would put it closer to 6800 GT range in pricing?

Edit: Link

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Q: How can a delay be official, when a release date was never official?

A: It cant.

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_X]

Originally posted by: X

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Got proof? Nope.

The company said on a conference call that its new graphics chip, the R520, is delayed...

:thumbsup:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: coldpower27
People are so spoiled after the last two generations of 100% performance increases. 😀

Were getting to the point where NVidia and ATI can't really maintain their price points, as their video cards on the high end are getting ever more expensive to produce.

What are you suggesting ATI and Nvidia do, continue to charge the same price point and simply eat the increased porduction costs? They already did that on NV40/R420, and you expect them to do it again this generation :? Bah.

Actually, I think if you look back through history, it's usually every other generation where performance is doubled. (so you're right)

At $600 the 7800GTX is a steal, by comparison.


X850XT PE rip off
So, you can pay $480-$580 for a PCIE X850XTPE that gets stomped flat in performance, consumes 50%+ more power, throws off more heat, is dual slot, has no HDR, no soft shadows, no SLI, no SM3- or you can pay the $600 and get the cutting edge at everything.

Gee, tough choice.

I bet even ATI employees are using 7800s these days.

I think Comp USA has the x850 for $350 (with $50 mail in rebate).... This would put it closer to 6800 GT range in pricing?

Edit: Link

Except that Rollo's link was of a X850XTPE and the one you linked to is a regular X850XT which actually gets beat out by a X800XTPE. I know, it's a little confusing but we have to be careful with all these annoying little details. 🙂

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: coldpower27
People are so spoiled after the last two generations of 100% performance increases. 😀

Were getting to the point where NVidia and ATI can't really maintain their price points, as their video cards on the high end are getting ever more expensive to produce.

What are you suggesting ATI and Nvidia do, continue to charge the same price point and simply eat the increased porduction costs? They already did that on NV40/R420, and you expect them to do it again this generation :? Bah.

Actually, I think if you look back through history, it's usually every other generation where performance is doubled. (so you're right)

At $600 the 7800GTX is a steal, by comparison.
X850XT PE rip off
So, you can pay $480-$580 for a PCIE X850XTPE that gets stomped flat in performance, consumes 50%+ more power, throws off more heat, is dual slot, has no HDR, no soft shadows, no SLI, no SM3- or you can pay the $600 and get the cutting edge at everything.

Gee, tough choice.

I bet even ATI employees are using 7800s these days.

Or you can pay $250 for an X800 XL and get most of the performance of an x850 for half the price. And that 250 figure disregards the rumored price drops.

You can compare the 7800 GTX to a terrible buy that is the x850 XTPE, doesn't make the 7800 GTX a good one.

 

[apoppin]

the 7800GTX is a good buy for those that want the fastest performance [period].

and i believe it is already being discounted off MSRP . . . check Hot Deals forum. 😉

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
Or they're working to accomdate AGP into the architecture as they got worried from the uproar of gamers when nvidia said no agp.

lol. I wish.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: coldpower27
People are so spoiled after the last two generations of 100% performance increases. 😀

Were getting to the point where NVidia and ATI can't really maintain their price points, as their video cards on the high end are getting ever more expensive to produce.

What are you suggesting ATI and Nvidia do, continue to charge the same price point and simply eat the increased porduction costs? They already did that on NV40/R420, and you expect them to do it again this generation :? Bah.

Actually, I think if you look back through history, it's usually every other generation where performance is doubled. (so you're right)

At $600 the 7800GTX is a steal, by comparison.


X850XT PE rip off
So, you can pay $480-$580 for a PCIE X850XTPE that gets stomped flat in performance, consumes 50%+ more power, throws off more heat, is dual slot, has no HDR, no soft shadows, no SLI, no SM3- or you can pay the $600 and get the cutting edge at everything.

Gee, tough choice.

I bet even ATI employees are using 7800s these days.

I think Comp USA has the x850 for $350 (with $50 mail in rebate).... This would put it closer to 6800 GT range in pricing?

Edit: Link

Except that Rollo's link was of a X850XTPE and the one you linked to is a regular X850XT which actually gets beat out by a X800XTPE. I know, it's a little confusing but we have to be careful with all these annoying little details. 🙂

Not to mention his link was to an AGP card, I was talking about PCIE.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: zendari
Or you can pay $250 for an X800 XL and get most of the performance of an x850 for half the price. And that 250 figure disregards the rumored price drops.

You can compare the 7800 GTX to a terrible buy that is the x850 XTPE, doesn't make the 7800 GTX a good one.

X800XLs do not belong in a discussion about 7800GTXs and R520s. The X800XL is a budget card offering nowhere near the curent standard for high level performance, no where near the level of modern features. It's a slow, primitive card compared to a 7800GTX, they really should not be mentioned as an "alternative".

I can guarantee you that no one considering a 7800GTX would settle for a card as bad as a X800XL. X800XLs are already outdated. 7800GTXs will be in a couple years.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: zendari
Or you can pay $250 for an X800 XL and get most of the performance of an x850 for half the price. And that 250 figure disregards the rumored price drops.

You can compare the 7800 GTX to a terrible buy that is the x850 XTPE, doesn't make the 7800 GTX a good one.

You act as if this fact is unique to the 7800 GTX. The price/performance curve has always been a parabola. Prices rush quickly for smaller performance gains the higher up you go.

The 9500 -> 9700 mod was an exception, but that wasn't exactly a purposeful exception, and as far as I know it's unique in the history of video, so don't bring that up as an example of a low priced high end card. It's a fluke.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari
Or you can pay $250 for an X800 XL and get most of the performance of an x850 for half the price. And that 250 figure disregards the rumored price drops.

You can compare the 7800 GTX to a terrible buy that is the x850 XTPE, doesn't make the 7800 GTX a good one.

X800XLs do not belong in a discussion about 7800GTXs and R520s. The X800XL is a budget card offering nowhere near the curent standard for high level performance, no where near the level of modern features. It's a slow, primitive card compared to a 7800GTX, they really should not be mentioned as an "alternative".

I can guarantee you that no one considering a 7800GTX would settle for a card as bad as a X800XL. X800XLs are already outdated. 7800GTXs will be in a couple years.

The x800 xl is surely in a class with the x850 cards? You seemed to make the 7800 to the x850 comparison in your previous post.

You act as if this fact is unique to the 7800 GTX. The price/performance curve has always been a parabola. Prices rush quickly for smaller performance gains the higher up you go.

The 9500 -> 9700 mod was an exception, but that wasn't exactly a purposeful exception, and as far as I know it's unique in the history of video, so don't bring that up as an example of a low priced high end card. It's a fluke.

Last gen had the 6800 GT which was significantly cheaper and just about as fast as the 6800 U/x800 XT. The parabola is certainly a lot steeper this time around.

Hopefully a lower clocked 7800 card will be announced for cheaper ($400 to $500); then this launch will be comparable to previous ones. Instead of having the new cards come in at the highest pricepoints and pushing the older cards down, they inserted a higher $600 msrp pricepoint this time around. AFAIK this is a first for graphics cards? I guess you can't blame Nvidia, especially with the R520 MIA.

 

[Xentropy]

By only introducing a high-end card, the low and midrange get backfilled by the previous generation, at least until the 7800 line is fleshed out. Thus PCI-E 6800 cards are (finally) dropping quickly in price to fill their places in the same old parabola.

AGP is almost completely uneffected by this launch, as is to be expected since AGP had already fallen quite a bit and no longer has a place in high-end (only upper midrange) systems.

 

[nRollo]

What I was saying Zendari is that the 7800 at $600 is a steal compared to the X850XTPE for $480-$580. considerign how much more you get.

Actually I don't consider the X800XL as a X850XT PE alternative, it's about 15% slower.

 

[GhandiInstinct]

If it takes jacking the MSRP $100 in order to issue a volume release concurrent to your paper launch then I don't care about "on-timeness" nonsense anymore.


I can't believe you people adhere to such ridiculous injunctions on our market. These companies do not dictate the prices, we are supposed to.

CPUs and motherboards cost a hefty price already, we should not get overcharged on these; just like video game threshold prices sneakily being jacked up. Its not worth the price.

No the 7800 is not worth $600, compare it to w/e you want, dumb on Ati's part to make the 850 where its at now but what can you do, that doesn't justify a ridiculous, steroid, jacked out price like $600, for a GPU!!!!!

Get some sense people, stand up for yourselves.

EDIT: Also, if you think the X800XL is already old then you have A.D.D.

 

[Xentropy]

You can already get a BFG 7800GTX for <$560 if you search enough for a deal.

Compare this to a PCI-Express 6800 Ultra three months ago for $800. If you could find one at all.

Who's being fleeced? Where were all the complaints about the 6800 pricing? Oh, right, they were all looking at AGP prices and were perfectly happy.

If you don't think these things are worth the price, don't buy them. Vote with your dollars. However, some people DO think it's worth the price and vote accordingly as well. That's where supply and demand comes from. The demand for 7800GTX cards at $600 is high enough to create a market and justify that MSRP. If you don't like it, there's not much you can do about it except keep preaching to your friends to stick with midrange and never buy high end.

 

[GhandiInstinct]

Xentropy,

You sound like someone trying to justify the war in iraq. "Our president said so, so we do it, no questions asked."

You want the beefed up prices? OK! Go work some more overtime, and then have your buddies thank people like you who are responsible for this nonsense.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
You want the beefed up prices? OK! Go work some more overtime, and then have your buddies thank people like you who are responsible for this nonsense.

Okay, will do. Here's a quarter, spend it on food instead of wine this time.

 

[imported_mitch2891]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
Xentropy,

You sound like someone trying to justify the war in iraq. "Our president said so, so we do it, no questions asked."

You want the beefed up prices? OK! Go work some more overtime, and then have your buddies thank people like you who are responsible for this nonsense.

What is wrong with the prices? You would of had a hard time getting a 6800 Ultra for $600 just after launch. It is the fastest card currently available so it is not to hard to work out why it is more expensive.

Also just because some people have enough money to easily buy one and you don't is not an excuse to complain.

 

[Sixtyfour]

(ATI) lowered its sales forecast for the fourth quarter to between $550-million and $580-million.

This is what happens when you team up with Dell (Dell bought all X800XT's that ATI could make, and at major discount).

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
If it takes jacking the MSRP $100 in order to issue a volume release concurrent to your paper launch then I don't care about "on-timeness" nonsense anymore.


I can't believe you people adhere to such ridiculous injunctions on our market. These companies do not dictate the prices, we are supposed to.

CPUs and motherboards cost a hefty price already, we should not get overcharged on these; just like video game threshold prices sneakily being jacked up. Its not worth the price.

No the 7800 is not worth $600, compare it to w/e you want, dumb on Ati's part to make the 850 where its at now but what can you do, that doesn't justify a ridiculous, steroid, jacked out price like $600, for a GPU!!!!!

Get some sense people, stand up for yourselves.

EDIT: Also, if you think the X800XL is already old then you have A.D.D.

You already admitted that you work at ATI in my 7800SLI thread.

You think the 7800GTX costs too much and that paper launches don't matter?
Gee. Who'd have thought that?
:roll:

As far as the prices being set by us, they are?

No ADD involved bro- I've been gaming on a 6800GT SLI rig for months, and now I'm gaming on a 7800GTX SLI. To me, your X800XL is a Voodoo 1.

 

[michal1980]

people complaining about the 7800gtx prices are just 16 year old mamma's boys who's parents finally said no to there want of high end hardware. for the most part
ONE GTX = 2 6800 Ultras, now compare your costs? 2 ultras >1000 bucks, 1 GTX 600 or less.

people complaining about tis price are dumb, when the 6800gt 1st came out they were selling for over 400 bucks, a deal was 350, on ebay they were getting more, and ultras could not be found.

now you can get the best card out ther for 600 bucks, with out being 'ripped' off. quite your whining about prices.

is it alot of money for a gfx card? yup, but its the best out there period.

 

[johnnqq]

back in the day $300 used to be an outrageous price for a video card...

 

[GhandiInstinct]

people complaining about the 7800gtx prices are just 16 year old mamma's boys who's parents finally said no to there want of high end hardware. for the most part

Very closed minded accusation there.

Secondly, GTX doesn't beat 6800 Ultra SLI setup, look at the damn benchmarks.

I am a late 20s male who wants to save a buck or two?

I'm not the only one.

You already admitted that you work at ATI in my 7800SLI thread.

I said both buddy.

 

[Insomniak]

I think the bottom line is availability - no matter how ATi performs, if they paperlaunch, I think most people will consider them to have "lost" this round. Hopefully that won't be the case.