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imported_X

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Looks like the delay is now official. Check this out:

Most analysts expected that the bad news was done, but on Thursday, the company lowered its sales forecast for the fourth quarter to between $550-million and $580-million.

?This range has been adjusted down from the preliminary guidance announced on June 6, 2005, due to a more conservative expectation on the ramp of new products in the fourth quarter,? ATI said. The company said on a conference call that its new graphics chip, the R520, is delayed...

Analysts say that ATI is losing sales to competitors Nvidia, a U.S. graphics chip maker that has released new technology, and Intel, which has been making inroads into the laptop market.
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If 4Q sales were adjusted down, that means we can't expect the R520 to launch until at least September (which is 1Q for ATI's financial period). The original launch date of July is apparently no longer valid.

I'm guessing most gamers looking to upgrade won't want to wait that long before seeing what the R520 can do. It's a shame, but hopefully when the launch does happen, it will be more than just paper this time.

 
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trinibwoy

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Where did you get October from? My understanding is that it is delayed from early summer to late summer. Whatever 'late summer' means.....
 
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imported_X

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Not a hard date, just logic. If they are adjusting down sales for 4Q (July-September), that means they probably don't expect to launch the R520 at least until 1Q, which for them starts in October.
 
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trinibwoy

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Originally posted by: X
Not a hard date, just logic. If they are adjusting down sales for 4Q (July-September), that means they probably don't expect to launch the R520 at least until 1Q, which for them starts in October.
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Makes sense I guess. Or it could be that they expect less sales instead of "no" sales. We'll see soon enough. If we don't hear anything by the rumoured July26 date I might just have to pick up a GTX.
 
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deadseasquirrel

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Their new fiscal year starts Sept 1st. They downgraded their 4Q numbers (June, July, August). And they really only knocked it down by less than 10% (or as low as 3% if you take their high estimate).

I wouldn't say this means delay til October. June is, obviously, out of the question. July is doubtful but possible. August is likely.
 
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SynthDude2001

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Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused:

I'm still on an Athlon XP system that's starting to feel its age, although I do have a 6800GT that helps a lot. Ideally I would have upgraded to an A64/NF4 system and upgraded my video card this summer. But with the 7800GTX not justifying in my mind nearly 2x the price I paid for my 6800GT one year ago, and R520/"7800 Ultra" possibly nowhere in sight for a few (several?) months, maybe I should just get a cheap A64 and nForce3 (AGP) board now and keep my 6800GT...

Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
 
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imported_X

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Thanks squirrel, I thought their fiscal year started in October. So maybe September is still a possibility. I don't know many currently looking to upgrade will be willing to wait that long, though...
 
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deadseasquirrel

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused: ...
Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
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That's true. A tough situation to be in for sure. I guess it all depends on your budget, what games you play, your monitor, and game setting preference. If you're stuck on an LCD with 1280x1024 on an XP @ around 2.2ghz+, with the GT, and 1 GB ram, you should be able to handle that rez with med-high details for a while longer.

You really could build a decent s939 pci-e system right now. As tempting as it would be to grab a dual-core, wait, and get a little 3000+ venice and oc the snot outta it. Match it with a good board (I prefer the DFI SLI, but that's just me), and some cheap OCZ ram.... sell off your AGP 6800GT and grab a pci-e one. You might lose a few bucks on the deal, but not near as much as you'd lose with the GTX.

Then, you'll have an upgrade path across the board for a while to come-- next gen gfx, 2 GB ram, dual core, SLi possibilities, PPU possibilities, etc.

I'm willing to be that, after selling off your old stuff, you would probably only be out-of-pocket $200-300 or so.
 
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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused:

I'm still on an Athlon XP system that's starting to feel its age, although I do have a 6800GT that helps a lot. Ideally I would have upgraded to an A64/NF4 system and upgraded my video card this summer. But with the 7800GTX not justifying in my mind nearly 2x the price I paid for my 6800GT one year ago, and R520/"7800 Ultra" possibly nowhere in sight for a few (several?) months, maybe I should just get a cheap A64 and nForce3 (AGP) board now and keep my 6800GT...

Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
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Your actually sitting pretty good from my view. Your 6800GT is a great card that's going to run any possible game to the max for at least the next year and a half. Just get a decent 939 A64 like the 3500 for $260 and a cheap refurbed 939 MB for $40. By the time you'll actually get the benefits going to this generation of vid card, you'll have a lot of new options as far as SLI2 versus crossfire for a PCIe MB, prices will be cheaper and you can use that A64 3500 in your new setup without losing much as the X2s are not any benefit for gamers other then coming in faster Mhz varieties. You'll also have a choice of 512 meg cards of this generation, including the R520 or the 7XXX and it's likely there will be 32 pipe cards as well, and prices across the board will be a lot less.
 
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SynthDude2001

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Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused: ...
Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
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That's true. A tough situation to be in for sure. I guess it all depends on your budget, what games you play, your monitor, and game setting preference. If you're stuck on an LCD with 1280x1024 on an XP @ around 2.2ghz+, with the GT, and 1 GB ram, you should be able to handle that rez with med-high details for a while longer.

You really could build a decent s939 pci-e system right now. As tempting as it would be to grab a dual-core, wait, and get a little 3000+ venice and oc the snot outta it. Match it with a good board (I prefer the DFI SLI, but that's just me), and some cheap OCZ ram.... sell off your AGP 6800GT and grab a pci-e one. You might lose a few bucks on the deal, but not near as much as you'd lose with the GTX.

Then, you'll have an upgrade path across the board for a while to come-- next gen gfx, 2 GB ram, dual core, SLi possibilities, PPU possibilities, etc.

I'm willing to be that, after selling off your old stuff, you would probably only be out-of-pocket $200-300 or so.
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I have a 2005FPW and prefer to play at native 1680x1050 if at all possible, so I'd be lying if I said my 6800GT didn't struggle sometimes. :p However you're right, it's not as if the GT is slow, it's just that I play at a fairly high resolution.

The suggestion about replacing my 6800GT with a PCI-E one is actually not a bad idea anymore, now that I've seen them drifting closer and closer to $300 (and I could still get about that much by selling my current one). I've already got a gig of pretty decent PC3200 RAM that I've had since 2003, and I'm not really feeling a need or temptation to upgrade that.

Some good suggestions there, thanks for your thoughts. :)



Originally posted by: Grimbor
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused:

I'm still on an Athlon XP system that's starting to feel its age, although I do have a 6800GT that helps a lot. Ideally I would have upgraded to an A64/NF4 system and upgraded my video card this summer. But with the 7800GTX not justifying in my mind nearly 2x the price I paid for my 6800GT one year ago, and R520/"7800 Ultra" possibly nowhere in sight for a few (several?) months, maybe I should just get a cheap A64 and nForce3 (AGP) board now and keep my 6800GT...

Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
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Your actually sitting pretty good from my view. Your 6800GT is a great card that's going to run any possible game to the max for at least the next year and a half. Just get a decent 939 A64 like the 3500 for $260 and a cheap refurbed 939 MB for $40. By the time you'll actually get the benefits going to this generation of vid card, you'll have a lot of new options as far as SLI2 versus crossfire for a PCIe MB, prices will be cheaper and you can use that A64 3500 in your new setup without losing much as the X2s are not any benefit for gamers other then coming in faster Mhz varieties. You'll also have a choice of 512 meg cards of this generation, including the R520 or the 7XXX and it's likely there will be 32 pipe cards as well, and prices across the board will be a lot less.
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I like this idea too. Maybe buy a cheap 3200+ now and the cheapest refurb nForce3 motherboard I could find, so I could still do a much-needed CPU upgrade, and keep my (still relatively high-end) video card. Then later I could buy a new video card and motherboard perhaps...
 
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Ackmed

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Q: How can a delay be official, when a release date was never official?

A: It cant.
 
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imported_X

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If you think the July release date was pure speculation, rather than being fed by ATI, I have a bridge you can buy ;)
 
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ryanv12

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused:

I'm still on an Athlon XP system that's starting to feel its age, although I do have a 6800GT that helps a lot. Ideally I would have upgraded to an A64/NF4 system and upgraded my video card this summer. But with the 7800GTX not justifying in my mind nearly 2x the price I paid for my 6800GT one year ago, and R520/"7800 Ultra" possibly nowhere in sight for a few (several?) months, maybe I should just get a cheap A64 and nForce3 (AGP) board now and keep my 6800GT...

Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
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I ended up buying an A8V Deluxe off someone here for $70 shipped. I'll drop my X2 and everything in there and then when I upgrade my video card I'll do the motherboard as well. I'm hoping for when SLI motherboards go for ~$100 or less. Pop in the GTX as well as all the other awesome components I have and I'll be good to go.
 
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deadseasquirrel

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Got proof? Nope.
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Sounds good then, what does ATI mean by delayed then?
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They never said "delayed", AFAIK. Only that the lower forecast was "due to a more conservative expectation on the ramp of new products in the fourth quarter".
 
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Genx87

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Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Got proof? Nope.
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Sounds good then, what does ATI mean by delayed then?
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They never said "delayed", AFAIK. Only that the lower forecast was "due to a more conservative expectation on the ramp of new products in the fourth quarter".
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This is right from the article

ATI said. The company said on a conference call that its new graphics chip, the R520, is delayed.


 
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fierydemise

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They have to make sure that we arn't going to see another paper launch because a few games at E3 were running on R520s. Personally I'll take a pushed back official launch that isn't a paper one to an early paper one.
 
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SynthDude2001

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Originally posted by: ryanv12
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Now I don't know what I want to do. :confused:

I'm still on an Athlon XP system that's starting to feel its age, although I do have a 6800GT that helps a lot. Ideally I would have upgraded to an A64/NF4 system and upgraded my video card this summer. But with the 7800GTX not justifying in my mind nearly 2x the price I paid for my 6800GT one year ago, and R520/"7800 Ultra" possibly nowhere in sight for a few (several?) months, maybe I should just get a cheap A64 and nForce3 (AGP) board now and keep my 6800GT...

Edit: But then I'd be screwed if I then wanted to upgrade my video card later in the year.....:(
Click to expand...

I ended up buying an A8V Deluxe off someone here for $70 shipped. I'll drop my X2 and everything in there and then when I upgrade my video card I'll do the motherboard as well. I'm hoping for when SLI motherboards go for ~$100 or less. Pop in the GTX as well as all the other awesome components I have and I'll be good to go.
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That may be what I end up doing. It doesn't make sense for me to blow >$600 on a marginally faster video card at the moment, although my CPU is getting a bit old. ;)
 
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dornick

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damn it, now NVidia can charge whatever they feel like for 3 months :(

I only hope ATI releases something that performs 30% better and costs 30% less. Then I might have some decent options between them and NV come Christmas.

Well, maybe ATI will drops their current prices and I can pickup a x800xl for ~200
 
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HDTVMan

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Whatever happens ATI has 3-4 months of catch up and NVIDIA has 3-4 months of working on the next design.

The most ATI can hope for is games that dont use the technology in the 7800.

Like I said before I would expect the 520 to have 32pipes now and those with broken pipes will be sold as 24 or 16 pipe cards.
 
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