Don't forget to give Vertex 3 one egg if you bought it

[reb0rn]

I am an owner for a vertex 3 120gb SSD since April 7th and have not had one BSOD.

you and maybe few others... minority, maybe 1%

so far 2.06 and 2.08 fw is crap, bsod is garranted more or less, 2.02 had many problems but looks like some ppl are more happy with it..

 

[MrWheezy]

I'm just wondering, do those firmware issues affect Macs at all?

I haven't heard much complaints on the Mac users of Vertex 3s or any other SandForce drives.

 

[d3fu5i0n]

Sandforce don't make SSDs - they make SSD controllers. However, to make things easier for drive manufacturers, sandforce provided a basic reference design for a hard drive.

However, sandforce made a mistake in their 120 GB reference PCB design:
Corsair used the reference design, and ran into problems.
OCZ designed their own proprietary PCB, and have not experienced the problems related to the design defect.

This is a different issue to people having strange errors and BSODs, which may be a firmware bug (the problem is pretty consistent among dozens of reports; windows crashes with STOP F4, some time after recovering from sleep mode. When the PC auto restarts from the BSOD, the SSD appears to be partially corrupted causing the boot to crash part way with various errors about missing or corrupted files. A power cycle fixes everything, and the data on the drive appears intact). The problem seems to be related to certain motherboards and overclocking - some people have suggested that the problem occurs because some OC tweaks distrub the normal operation of power-saving modes - and the drive panics after an invalid power-saving mode change. However, at present, this appears to be little more than speculation.

Well said!

 

[Chaoticlusts]

you and maybe few others... minority, maybe 1%

so far 2.06 and 2.08 fw is crap, bsod is garranted more or less, 2.02 had many problems but looks like some ppl are more happy with it..

yey for hyperbole...the numbers I've seen around are a 3% failure rate higher than any other company's but 99%? ...

like people have pointed out if your a content customer with a working product you don't jump on forums like this and create a thread going "I just bought a 2500k and it works I'm content"...however if you bought that same product and it ran for 2 days and then 'released the magic smoke' you jump straight online (assuming you still have a form of net access ) and scream... or at least seek help thereby spreading the message...

so failure rates always seem blown out of proportion...as far as I'm concerned the info's out there yes they are the least reliable brand (of the major brands that is) but it's not like your playing russian roulette with a 6 shooter and 2 chambers loaded...your odds aren't that bad

I've bought one after doing my research..I know I might get a failed drive though I'm more likely to get a working one and if I do get a failed drive I'll send it back to the store I got it from and get a replacement..bit of hassle but something I'm aware of and willing to deal with if it happens..


oh one question for those on here that have been following this issue..from the bits of the OCZ forums I skimmed in relation to the firmware issue (normally avoid official forums cause of bias) there seemed to be some indication in the reports that it might be a result of conflict with the marvel sata III controllers

anyone know if there's any truth to that? (not blaming it on marvel even if it is a conflict it's still OCZ's firmware causing it I'm just asking cause it might help some people)

 

[groberts101]

funniest part of this thread is all the "expert opinions" from people who don't even own the drives they are trash talking about. They read for 20 minutes(I'm being nice and overestimating here) and have it ALL figured out.

Clueless is.. as clueless does. LOL

and FYI?.. my V3 works flawlessly regardless of what firmware I flash to it or how I try to make it crash(and I try like hell to do it). Ohh... and it's soooo much faster than an Intel drive.

And unlike some others around here?.. I actually speak from experience as I've purchased, tested, and returned 3 of them so far. "Slow and steady" SATA2 Intel drives are for old dude's who take a while to get it up and aren't in any rush.

 

[e-drood]

so you "buy & return" "for testing" (3) ocz v3 ssd's --- the instability issues/bsod's are random events over days/weeks --- "we" use hdd's & ssd's DAILY for productivity increases, NOT "TESTING" --- The RealWorld Pays Real Money To Firms Like OCZ And Expects FUNCTIONAL PRODUCTS, NOT SOME HALF-BAKED Trophy To Wear/Display in Forum Posturing...

 

[groberts101]

LOL. Read back and put the thinking cap on while taking things in context(Intel). And if that's not enough?.. I was talking about the slow and steady Intel drives in the last sentence or two.

I OWN(kept) 15 SSD's(all OCZ cause they're the best'est/fastest) and run 7 SSD's(6 Vertex 2 in R0 and 1 Vertex 3) on this machine alone. I've purchased/tested/returned more than 40 so far to get a leg up on most around here when it comes to SSD tech. Practice makes perfect, eh?

And my daily use writes more to SSD than many posting here combined. Web graphics/videos and picture editing is what this machine was designed for and it gets pushed hard. Hell.. I even run my kids PSP video encoding through this rig since I'm not afraid to write to my drives. Why not when there is so much time to be saved by doing it.

Most around here that talk about being "SSD experts" and using them for dedicated work duty are just talking out their glory-holes to impress the others who even care to read what the other "girls in the locker rooms" have to say lately.

So... flame on that there.. Johnny Storm. LOL

 

[reb0rn]

I need to find one SF 2000 lighting bolt user with 0 bsod in a month of use.... that say it all.......
atm sf 2000 firmware and maybe even hw is broken and anyone using it is playing with fire

 

[groberts101]

mine has no issues on 2 systems and 4 different sata chips in about 3 months. I know of at least 30 others off the top of my head as well. I even see a few drop by with random questions who absolutely love their V3's with no issues whatsoever.

Not all is what it seems when you troll around looking for negatives to add to the ammunition dumps.

 

[curlysir]

My failure rate is 50%, the first Vertex 3 Max lasted all of 2 days before it bricked. The replacement has worked fine for close to 5 weeks. And I did give it a 1 star rating because of the failure. I setup both drives the same way and did not use the lengthy multi-step procedure detailed on the OCZ forum.

There is a problem with the SF 2000 drives and any one that is saying there is not is ignoring the facts. Are these drives fast? yes. Will OCZ and SF fix the problem? Probably, now that SF finally admitted that could duplicate the problem. would I buy another? The jury is still out on that. Until I can use the drive exactly like I did my previous Vertex LE (in removable hot swap bays) I will not even consider another Vertex 3.

 

[e-drood]

Lastest Update Re: OCZ Vertex3 & Vertex3 Max IOPS SSD Sandforce Controller FAILURES: "Tony The Tiger" OCZ UK Forum Adviser Now Posts "Check Sata3 Cables If Still Experiencing BSOD's" --- Bloody Joke & INSULTING To OCZ ssd Purchasers AFTER MULTIPLE Firmware AND Toolbox Updates, NOW IT'S THE CABLES, OR THE MARVELL SATA CONTROLLERS, OR THE INTEL SATA CONTROLLERS OR MAYBE-THE PHASE-OF-TH-MOON! The SANDFORCE SERIES 2000 SSD CONTROLLER CHIPS DO-NOT-WORK!

nice one groberts101 telling ocz forum thread poster to post complaint "somewhere else" bet you wish you could delete posts on anandtech forums/article comments, just like ocz thugs on ocz forums...

OCZ v3 ssd's major failure!

 

[MrWheezy]

Honest I've been hearing too many complains about the vertex 3s these days.

Anyways, can you give me the link to that post e drood?

 

[HendrixFan]

I am 3-0 with Vertex SSDs so far. I plan on going for a Vertex 3 whenever I upgrade to a SATAIII board, probably sometime after the socket 2011 hits. I have had success and failures of all types with many manufacturers over the last 15 years or so that I have built computers.

I've mentioned this elsewhere before but it is worth repeating. The Vertex drives are top of the line for performance. Many of the people who buy the Vertex drives are running out of spec systems, both with clockspeed and voltages and also heat. System stability is an afterthought many times, and I'm sure there is a stronger correlation between those users and failed parts. I know I have had many spindle HDDs fail on me over the years until I started putting fans directly on the drives. Since that time I have had zero failures.

 

[e-drood]

http://ocztechnologyforum.com/forum...his-weekends-testing-regarding-the-bsod-issue

www.ocztechnology.com - "forums" - SANDFORCE - at the top!

 

[e-drood]

http://www.serialata.org "sata 2.6" (sata3) 6Gbps specification was adopted over (2) years ago...

NO sudden new surprises for anyone, except Sandforce...

pls goto & select "Developers" & select (left margin) "Technical Library" & other selections... Public Domain - everything Sandforce needed to know AND Latest Errata Ratification was April 2009...

remember that Intel 6 Series Chipsets, with revised Stepping B3 corrected Stepping (0) Serial Connectivity, that Z68 Series recently released achieved 100% initial functionality - NO Stepping Revisions Required - AND BOTH Revised P67 AND Newest Z68 Are Having Interface Issues/BSOD's With OCZ Vertex3 / Vertex3 Max IOPS -- Corsair Recalled Their Sandforce 2000 Controller Drives --


- IT IS TIME FOR OCZ TO RECALL SSD's AND SANDFORCE To Recall All 2000 Series Controller Chips!

 

[e-drood]

yes sir, groberts101, you have won the "Golden Troll" Award for replying "It Doesn't Matter That Your System Works On HDD Alone, But BSOD's If V3 SSD is Substituted, It's "Software Related"! To The OP Post'g On OCZ Forums Seeking Help...

I laughed so hard my single malt came out my nose, you Da Man!

 

[e-drood]

ps: I da*n near phoned OCZ and asked Ryder to pay Bit-coin into your account, but than I thought hell that lot will just introduce a trojan and steal it back... done you a favor!

flame suit time, lad

 

[groberts101]

I believe I would need a flame suit around this joint eh, lad?

And the malt joke pretty well summed you up. Have another and some new "Sandforce is the OCZ devil's minion" hypothesis will form in your cloudy insignificant drunkin' stuper.

troll that bi-atch

 

[nanaki333]

funniest part of this thread is all the "expert opinions" from people who don't even own the drives they are trash talking about. They read for 20 minutes(I'm being nice and overestimating here) and have it ALL figured out.

Clueless is.. as clueless does. LOL

and FYI?.. my V3 works flawlessly regardless of what firmware I flash to it or how I try to make it crash(and I try like hell to do it). Ohh... and it's soooo much faster than an Intel drive.

And unlike some others around here?.. I actually speak from experience as I've purchased, tested, and returned 3 of them so far. "Slow and steady" SATA2 Intel drives are for old dude's who take a while to get it up and aren't in any rush.

no. intel is for people that want a stable drive where they don't have to keep checking for tips, tricks and firmwares to make their drives stable. intel is for people that want a nice, quick, drop-in-and-forget SSD.

 

[groberts101]

no. intel is for people that want a stable drive where they don't have to keep checking for tips, tricks and firmwares to make their drives stable. intel is for people that want a nice, quick, drop-in-and-forget SSD.

Don't be like so many others around here and let me yank yer chain so easily. Was just teasing all the Intel fanboys, is all. LOL

And I just dropped all mine right in too and got even faster stability than the Intels I tested so far.

Personally?.. I say just use the one's that work for you and don't knock others that prefer something different. If it works and you're happy?.. seems all good to me.

 

[nanaki333]

actually, it was i that was doing the chain yanking

 

[Thor86]

no. intel is for people that want a stable drive where they don't have to keep checking for tips, tricks and firmwares to make their drives stable. intel is for people that want a nice, quick, drop-in-and-forget SSD.

Yep, have to hand it to Intel for this. Even their firmware upgrades are non-destruct, which is very nice.

However, maybe I was lucky and used an Intel SSD first, before migrated to my Vertex3, and so far the OCZ drive has been exactly that, drop in and restore image, and it works, no issues so far. Came with firmware 2.06 as well.

It is unfortunate so many issues are arising, but there are so many variables in play, especially for a bleeding-edge SSD controller to keep everyone happy 100%. I'm sure SF and OCZ are working very hard, and making sure qualifications are tested as much as possible.

 

[xman34312]

...and this is why I bought an Intel SSD instead.

Seriously, when was the last time people complained en masse about the X-25M G2?

In 2009, there was a pretty big issue w intel g2 firmware. Intel got it to gether. Give OCZ time too also! They are a lot smaller than intel.

http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Issues+Fix+for+X25M+G2+SSD+Firmware/article17001.htm

 

[reb0rn]

Its what Intel did and do... OCZ denied it for months and than sad its just 0.6% and like its NO PROBLEMO, why bitch of some stupid bsod its nothing.....

shame on them

only a retard could belive on 0.6% defects by bsod, to me it looks like ~50% at least, and the rest having luck to see no bsod (hell know it might even be HW quality related)