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Don't forget to give Vertex 3 one egg if you bought it

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stepia

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I like how Newegg keeps saying that Vertex 3 is perfectly fine when everyone and their grandma knows that Vertex 3/Agility 3/Solid 3 with firmware 2.06+ have a BSOD issue. If OCZ were a serious company like Intel or Corsair, they would have recalled their faulty drives. But instead they are beta testing on their customers giving some insane impossible 16 step instructions (which, by the way, don't work) and trying to make it look like it's the buyers who don't know how to use their computers.


So if you have one of these fail drives, go to Newegg now and leave 1 egg so Newegg knows what's up and hopefully stop selling this crap and/or start giving refunds.
 
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It's nice of you to drop by, and in your first post instruct all of us how to think.
I think we are all very capable of thinking for ourselves, thank you.
You should also get your facts right before ranting.
Corsair recalled their 120GB Force 3 drive based on the SF2281 controller, as the reference 120GB PCB had a flaw, they continued, and still continue to sell the 240GB model.

OCZ don't need to recall their 120GB model as they don't use the reference design, they build their own.
 
stepia said:
I like how Newegg keeps saying that Vertex 3 is perfectly fine when everyone and their grandma knows that Vertex 3/Agility 3/Solid 3 with firmware 2.06+ have a BSOD issue. If OCZ were a serious company like Intel or Corsair, they would have recalled their faulty drives. But instead they are beta testing on their customers giving some insane impossible 16 step instructions (which, by the way, don't work) and trying to make it look like it's the buyers who don't know how to use their computers.


So if you have one of these fail drives, go to Newegg now and leave 1 egg so Newegg knows what's up and hopefully stop selling this crap and/or start giving refunds.
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Hey Troll,
The OCZ issues are firmware issues and the other manufacturers have had hardware issues. OCZ uses a proprietary hardware design unlike the other manufacturers.
 
i bet OCZ pay a lofty sum to review sites. newegg, ect...
sorry by so far i see all vertex 3, agility 3 having bsod issues, for someone it bsod after 30min and someone else have one bsod in a month but still that crap is FAIL

I knew few ppl with agility 3 and all have bsod in a day or month (all the same HW/FW is BAD)
 
VirtualLarry said:
Eh? It's just a Sandforce rebadge.
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Sandforce don't make SSDs - they make SSD controllers. However, to make things easier for drive manufacturers, sandforce provided a basic reference design for a hard drive.

However, sandforce made a mistake in their 120 GB reference PCB design:
Corsair used the reference design, and ran into problems.
OCZ designed their own proprietary PCB, and have not experienced the problems related to the design defect.

This is a different issue to people having strange errors and BSODs, which may be a firmware bug (the problem is pretty consistent among dozens of reports; windows crashes with STOP F4, some time after recovering from sleep mode. When the PC auto restarts from the BSOD, the SSD appears to be partially corrupted causing the boot to crash part way with various errors about missing or corrupted files. A power cycle fixes everything, and the data on the drive appears intact). The problem seems to be related to certain motherboards and overclocking - some people have suggested that the problem occurs because some OC tweaks distrub the normal operation of power-saving modes - and the drive panics after an invalid power-saving mode change. However, at present, this appears to be little more than speculation.
 
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...and this is why I bought an Intel SSD instead.

Seriously, when was the last time people complained en masse about the X-25M G2?
 
Mark R said:
Sandforce don't make SSDs - they make SSD controllers. However, to make things easier for drive manufacturers, sandforce provided a basic reference design for a hard drive.

However, sandforce made a mistake in their 120 GB reference PCB design:
Corsair used the reference design, and ran into problems.
OCZ designed their own proprietary PCB, and have not experienced the problems related to the design defect.

This is a different issue to people having strange errors and BSODs, which may be a firmware bug (the problem is pretty consistent among dozens of reports; windows crashes with STOP F4, some time after recovering from sleep mode. When the PC auto restarts from the BSOD, the SSD appears to be partially corrupted causing the boot to crash part way with various errors about missing or corrupted files. A power cycle fixes everything, and the data on the drive appears intact). The problem seems to be related to certain motherboards and overclocking - some people have suggested that the problem occurs because some OC tweaks distrub the normal operation of power-saving modes - and the drive panics after an invalid power-saving mode change. However, at present, this appears to be little more than speculation.
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I have been following the Corsair issues a bit -they are allready shipping replacements and Newegg has the 120 GB drives back up for sale - as rapidly as this seems to have been addressed, do you have any idea what the issue was and how they resolved it?
 
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stepia said:
I like how Newegg keeps saying that Vertex 3 is perfectly fine when everyone and their grandma knows that Vertex 3/Agility 3/Solid 3 with firmware 2.06+ have a BSOD issue. If OCZ were a serious company like Intel or Corsair, they would have recalled their faulty drives. But instead they are beta testing on their customers giving some insane impossible 16 step instructions (which, by the way, don't work) and trying to make it look like it's the buyers who don't know how to use their computers.


So if you have one of these fail drives, go to Newegg now and leave 1 egg so Newegg knows what's up and hopefully stop selling this crap and/or start giving refunds.
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Are you employed by Crucial, Intel, Amazon, SuperBiiz, Directron...
any Newegg or OCZ competitors?
 
Don't forget to give stepia's first post one egg if you read it. If you bought it, give yourself one egg.

-KeithP
 
The Sandforce 2000 Series Controller chips have synchronicity & voltage transient issues -- marchitecture omission combined with incomplete firmware validation results in premature release of resellers ssd products to retail market.

Sandforce does not possess foundry -- ssd resellers such as OCZ, Corsair, OWC, Kingston, all others DO NOT MANUFACTURE, only order ssd production from specialist ODM's... ONLY INTEL MANUFACTURERS!

There are a significant number of purchasers/users experiencing bsod's & interface issues / beyond several firmware revisions presently available for download...

Sandforce Has Not Commented - Only Corsair Recalled - And OCZ Is Openly Hostile Toward Any Critique Of Their V3/SF2000 SSD's! Maximum DENIAL Again Re: Sandforce Controller's - 1200 series & NOW 2000 series - When Will Sandforce Learn From These Disasters? When Will We Users Learn To Wait For Fully Validated Product? Intel IMMEDIATELY Recalled Series 6 Chipsets To Protect Intel Market Rep/Cred --- SANDFORCE NO LONGER HAS CREDIBILITY Re: Controller Design/MArchitecture...
 
the 240gb v3 in my wife's computer gets bsod randomly. my intels in raid0 for over 2 years never had issues. my new 160gb 320s in raid0 also have no problems. had lots of v2/agility2 drives screw up too. SF blows. they should go through more extensive testing before releasing it.
 
stepia said:
Check your firmware version. I bet 5 bucks it's 2.0.2. However, people with 2.06 and 2.08 FW get BSOD's all the time.
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updated to 2.06 before i installed windows. Now i have to update to 2.08

EDIT: Just read the forums and ill wait they're going to come out with another firmware. Ill wait since im not having any problems.
 
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OCZ also stated that their problem does not affect ALL users, only a certain percentage of them. I'm not sure how they know this exactly but I remember Tony stating that it's around 1%.

Also remember that OCZ gets their own unique firmware from SandForce to tweak with unlike other SandForce drives. So I think OCZ is having firmware issues (possibly hardware) while Corsair is having some problems using a faculty reference PCB design. Other SandForce SSD users, Kingston/OWC/etc, don't seem to be having any issues. :/

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
e-drood said:
The Sandforce 2000 Series Controller chips have synchronicity & voltage transient issues -- marchitecture omission combined with incomplete firmware validation results in premature release of resellers ssd products to retail market.

Sandforce does not possess foundry -- ssd resellers such as OCZ, Corsair, OWC, Kingston, all others DO NOT MANUFACTURE, only order ssd production from specialist ODM's... ONLY INTEL MANUFACTURERS!

There are a significant number of purchasers/users experiencing bsod's & interface issues / beyond several firmware revisions presently available for download...

Sandforce Has Not Commented - Only Corsair Recalled - And OCZ Is Openly Hostile Toward Any Critique Of Their V3/SF2000 SSD's! Maximum DENIAL Again Re: Sandforce Controller's - 1200 series & NOW 2000 series - When Will Sandforce Learn From These Disasters? When Will We Users Learn To Wait For Fully Validated Product? Intel IMMEDIATELY Recalled Series 6 Chipsets To Protect Intel Market Rep/Cred --- SANDFORCE NO LONGER HAS CREDIBILITY Re: Controller Design/MArchitecture...
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OCZ manufactures there drives in-house. They design there own boards and do not use the reference design that the other brands do. You truly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
 
boochi said:
OCZ manufactures there drives in-house. They design there own boards and do not use the reference design that the other brands do. You truly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
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OCZ almost certainly don't manufacture anything, although they do some design work in house. I would expect that they subcontract the manufacturing to a specialist company.

Intel probably don't manufacture their SSDs either (they certainly don't manufacture their motherboards, which used to be manufactured by Asus, and are now manufactured by Foxconn).
 
I hate to link to OCZ's site but I know Eric Ryder and have no reason to doubt anything he says. The reason that OCZ got out of the RAM business was to focus on the SSD business, what they do best. They most certainly do manufacture there ssd's in-house. The nand comes from Samsung, Toshiba, Micron, Spectek and Hynix, the controllers from sandforce. OCZ purchased indilinx so look for future drives to be almost completely in-house with the exception of the nand.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...d-by-other-manufacturers-...UPDATE-06-14-2011
 
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re: intel ssd's - x25 was produced in-house - 510 partially odm'd w/intel performing 100% compliance/performance validation before shipping to distribution warehouses - 320 in-house --- 510 is short term interim model simply place holder in intel marketing lineup (marvell controller costs too much for long term usage) - intel writes ALL firmware in-house

ocz / corsair utilize odm's exclusively w/ final compliance validation performed by odm on lot sample basis - not 100% - ocz / corsair depend on SANDFORCE to write initial firmware and potentially req'd firmware revisions - APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE EMBARRASSING, Ryder...

there's NO money in ram memory (pure cut throat commodity product) SO THE SMART LADS Seize On SSD's As Next Glory Hole To Flog To Masses... Right, Ryder

This is a stretch too far, for Sandforce, and most importantly, Sandforce investors.
Need To Work On Basic Street Cred A Bit Harder, Or Move On To Simpler Activities

And Buying "Indilinx" Was True Inspired Genius By The Group Who Believes That Pit Bulls Online Provided Better Customer Service... You May "Talk-the-Talk", But You're Lightyears From "Walkin-the-Walk"... And Your Cadre of Forum Trolls, now widely appearing confirms the serious issues with v3sf200 ssd's...

Genuinely successful marketing from start to finish; something to aspire to, for the rest of the industry...

fyi, boochi, don't use your forum avatar as passport photo - you may end up being held for questioning for several days, any country these days... have an angry day on me!
 
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boochi said:
I hate to link to OCZ's site but I know Eric Ryder and have no reason to doubt anything he says. The reason that OCZ got out of the RAM business was to focus on the SSD business, what they do best. They most certainly do manufacture there ssd's in-house. The nand comes from Samsung, Toshiba, Micron, Spectek and Hynix, the controllers from sandforce. OCZ purchased indilinx so look for future drives to be almost completely in-house with the exception of the nand.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...d-by-other-manufacturers-...UPDATE-06-14-2011
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i guess it's better to concentrate on making 1 average product than 2 below average products. don't even get me started on ocz memory. i have a drawer full of gold heatsink ocz memory that are bad.
 
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