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Batman Begins is one of my favorite films of all time.

Its amazing what Nolan did with this movie. He brought the art-house and serious cinema to the mainstream.

 
I was largely unimpressed with Batman Begins, although Christian Bale does make a far better Batman then Keaton, Kilmer or Clooney.

I didn't buy into the whole backstory...most Batman origin versions start with the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents, his inheritance of the Wayne estate, and transition into vigilante life as Batman...that much is essentially written in stone...the particulars of how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman varies, even in the comics...so there is no definitive origin story for Batman.

However, I didnt particularly care for this take on the character.

The Bruce Wayne goes to Asia to learn the criminal mind...not particularly compelling or even believable, given the more realistic angle on this Batman movie...the whole secretive ninja cult nonsense was kind of cliche...I dont read the comics, so I dont know if this back story mirrors the actual Batman origin story...I know Raz Al-Ghul is a character in the comics, but the whole ninja cult destroys Gotham City storyline was laughable.

Bruce Wayne returns to America and discovers vast amounts of defense contract hardware just waiting to be discovered, and perfectly adaptable to his Batman persona...again, for a Batman Year One tale, he doesn't need to have all his toys from the outset, or at the very least, the toys should be a bit crude...seems more like an excuse to squeeze Morgan Freeman into the movie short of making him a black Alfred.

I thought the take on Scarecrow was interesting, although the movie suffered from trying to fit too many villains into the plot...with too many subplots...that Scarecrow is a pawn of the super secret ninja cult was just, well a stretch.

Katie Holmes was nothing more then window dressing, and served no real purpose in the movie...Batman does not require love interests subplots.

However, Batmans first appearance in the film was very well done, and actually hinted at what the movie could have been.

The finale was predictable, boring and providing the cliche "big twist" ending...but staying true to the other Batman films, you have to kill off the main baddy at the end, so that you can introduce new baddies and toys in the next film.

None of the Batman films have ever really impressed me, although I thought Tim Burton's first take on Batman made for a fun film.

Batman Begins, color me unimpressed.
 
Did anyone else think that this movie took forever for it to develop at the beginning. I bet the first 1 hour was basically nothing really happending with Batman. I think in the whole ~11 hour batman series that 1+ hour of background was not too much. But in a ~2.25 hour movie 1+ hour took too long to develope everything.
 
Picked it up at CC for 14.99 plus a free lithograph (sucky). CE is 22.99, but I think 20.79 at Costco. Although I'm usually a sucker for CEs and such, I just stuck with the normal version this time. If there was a director's cut I might have been tempted, but the CE doesn't look worth it to me.
 
Originally posted by: TheNinja
Did anyone else think that this movie took forever for it to develop at the beginning. I bet the first 1 hour was basically nothing really happending with Batman. I think in the whole ~11 hour batman series that 1+ hour of background was not too much. But in a ~2.25 hour movie 1+ hour took too long to develope everything.
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Does the name of the movie not explain why that's okay? If you want mindless carnage, go watch Mortal Kombat or something.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I was largely unimpressed with Batman Begins, although Christian Bale does make a far better Batman then Keaton, Kilmer or Clooney.

I didn't buy into the whole backstory...most Batman origin versions start with the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents, his inheritance of the Wayne estate, and transition into vigilante life as Batman...that much is essentially written in stone...the particulars of how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman varies, even in the comics...so there is no definitive origin story for Batman.

However, I didnt particularly care for this take on the character.

The Bruce Wayne goes to Asia to learn the criminal mind...not particularly compelling or even believable, given the more realistic angle on this Batman movie...the whole secretive ninja cult nonsense was kind of cliche...I dont read the comics, so I dont know if this back story mirrors the actual Batman origin story...I know Raz Al-Ghul is a character in the comics, but the whole ninja cult destroys Gotham City storyline was laughable.

Bruce Wayne returns to America and discovers vast amounts of defense contract hardware just waiting to be discovered, and perfectly adaptable to his Batman persona...again, for a Batman Year One tale, he doesn't need to have all his toys from the outset, or at the very least, the toys should be a bit crude...seems more like an excuse to squeeze Morgan Freeman into the movie short of making him a black Alfred.

I thought the take on Scarecrow was interesting, although the movie suffered from trying to fit too many villains into the plot...with too many subplots...that Scarecrow is a pawn of the super secret ninja cult was just, well a stretch.

Katie Holmes was nothing more then window dressing, and served no real purpose in the movie...Batman does not require love interests subplots.

However, Batmans first appearance in the film was very well done, and actually hinted at what the movie could have been.

The finale was predictable, boring and providing the cliche "big twist" ending...but staying true to the other Batman films, you have to kill off the main baddy at the end, so that you can introduce new baddies and toys in the next film.

None of the Batman films have ever really impressed me, although I thought Tim Burton's first take on Batman made for a fun film.

Batman Begins, color me unimpressed.
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But is Ras Al Ghul immortal?

Are his methods eternal?

Did you conveniently forget that part?

You can choose to get caught up in the intricacies but sometimes that means you don't want to see the real picture.
 
Originally posted by: Proletariat
But is Ras Al Ghul immortal?

Are his methods eternal?

You can choose to get caught up in the intricacies but sometimes that means you don't want to see the real picture.
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In the comics, Batman kept killing off Ras over and over and he kept coming back.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I was largely unimpressed with Batman Begins, although Christian Bale does make a far better Batman then Keaton, Kilmer or Clooney.

I didn't buy into the whole backstory...most Batman origin versions start with the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents, his inheritance of the Wayne estate, and transition into vigilante life as Batman...that much is essentially written in stone...the particulars of how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman varies, even in the comics...so there is no definitive origin story for Batman.

However, I didnt particularly care for this take on the character.

The Bruce Wayne goes to Asia to learn the criminal mind...not particularly compelling or even believable, given the more realistic angle on this Batman movie...the whole secretive ninja cult nonsense was kind of cliche...I dont read the comics, so I dont know if this back story mirrors the actual Batman origin story...I know Raz Al-Ghul is a character in the comics, but the whole ninja cult destroys Gotham City storyline was laughable.

Bruce Wayne returns to America and discovers vast amounts of defense contract hardware just waiting to be discovered, and perfectly adaptable to his Batman persona...again, for a Batman Year One tale, he doesn't need to have all his toys from the outset, or at the very least, the toys should be a bit crude...seems more like an excuse to squeeze Morgan Freeman into the movie short of making him a black Alfred.

I thought the take on Scarecrow was interesting, although the movie suffered from trying to fit too many villains into the plot...with too many subplots...that Scarecrow is a pawn of the super secret ninja cult was just, well a stretch.

Katie Holmes was nothing more then window dressing, and served no real purpose in the movie...Batman does not require love interests subplots.

However, Batmans first appearance in the film was very well done, and actually hinted at what the movie could have been.

The finale was predictable, boring and providing the cliche "big twist" ending...but staying true to the other Batman films, you have to kill off the main baddy at the end, so that you can introduce new baddies and toys in the next film.

None of the Batman films have ever really impressed me, although I thought Tim Burton's first take on Batman made for a fun film.

Batman Begins, color me unimpressed.
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Umm, they *didn't* kill off the villains in Batman Begins. The Scarecrow got away and Ras appeared to have been killed, but if you've read the comics you'll know that Ras *always* comes back. His lackeys return him to his lair, where he's raised up again in the Lazarus Pit. Eventually you learn that Ras dates back further than *Christ*. Also, there was no big "twist" at the end of Batman Begins. Dunno what movie you saw 🙂

Also, I agree that Katie Holmes was almost entirely pointless. Batman *never* needs a love interest. Casual flings with airhead chicks, sure, but not love interests.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Also, I agree that Katie Holmes was almost entirely pointless. Batman *never* needs a love interest. Casual flings with airhead chicks, sure, but not love interests.
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I dunno how much of an authority the cartoons are, but he always had a soft spot for some chick. I can't remember her name because it's been ages since I came home from gradeschool to watch the cartoon each afternoon, but she was there.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Also, I agree that Katie Holmes was almost entirely pointless. Batman *never* needs a love interest. Casual flings with airhead chicks, sure, but not love interests.
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I dunno how much of an authority the cartoons are, but he always had a soft spot for some chick. I can't remember her name because it's been ages since I came home from gradeschool to watch the cartoon each afternoon, but she was there.
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I have no idea how much of an authority they are, either. I haven't collected comics in probably 12 years or so (whenever it was that the whole Batman gets replaced/comes back thing happened), but I don't recall him ever having a love interest. Of course, I didn't really collect any series religiously when I was in that age, LOL, I mostly just bought up #1's and special editions.

Someone told me that Rachel was Ras Al Ghul's daughter, but I have no idea if this is accurate or not. If it is, then it could blow my whole "Rachel was a pointless character" theory completely out of the water 🙂

Jason
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Also, I agree that Katie Holmes was almost entirely pointless. Batman *never* needs a love interest. Casual flings with airhead chicks, sure, but not love interests.
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I dunno how much of an authority the cartoons are, but he always had a soft spot for some chick. I can't remember her name because it's been ages since I came home from gradeschool to watch the cartoon each afternoon, but she was there.
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I have no idea how much of an authority they are, either. I haven't collected comics in probably 12 years or so (whenever it was that the whole Batman gets replaced/comes back thing happened), but I don't recall him ever having a love interest. Of course, I didn't really collect any series religiously when I was in that age, LOL, I mostly just bought up #1's and special editions.

Someone told me that Rachel was Ras Al Ghul's daughter, but I have no idea if this is accurate or not. If it is, then it could blow my whole "Rachel was a pointless character" theory completely out of the water 🙂

Jason
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If the cartoons are any authority at all, then she was. THAT'S who I was thinking of! I remember one episode where Ras went after Batman because Wayne was after her but Wayne didn't know the two were related.

Thanks for jogging my memory. 🙂
 
I just bought the wide-screen DVD for $14.98 after tax (in-store pickup) from Best Buy after using a $1.00 McDonald's Best Buy Bucks coupon. Nobody watches the bonus crap anyway (even though they say they will)
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
I just bought the wide-screen DVD for $14.98 after tax (in-store pickup) from Best Buy after using a $1.00 McDonald's Best Buy Bucks coupon. Nobody watches the bonus crap anyway (even though they say they will)
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Not only do I watch "bonus crap" I always watch the movie straight the first time, and again with director's commentary the second time when buying a new film.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
I just bought the wide-screen DVD for $14.98 after tax (in-store pickup) from Best Buy after using a $1.00 McDonald's Best Buy Bucks coupon. Nobody watches the bonus crap anyway (even though they say they will)
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The bonus edition also comes with a 72 page comic inside. That in itself was worth the extra $7 for me.

Personally I went to CC and two BBs before I, on a longshot, went into Tower Video where I snagged the last one.
I bought the 1989 Batman for $9.50 using two BB gift cards since they wouldn't let me use Mcdonald's BB Bucks for new releases. Either I got screwed or you got lucky.
 
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: NFS4
I just bought the wide-screen DVD for $14.98 after tax (in-store pickup) from Best Buy after using a $1.00 McDonald's Best Buy Bucks coupon. Nobody watches the bonus crap anyway (even though they say they will)
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The bonus edition also comes with a 72 page comic inside. That in itself was worth the extra $7 for me.

Personally I went to CC and two BBs before I, on a longshot, went into Tower Video where I snagged the last one.
I bought the 1989 Batman for $9.50 using two BB gift cards since they wouldn't let me use Mcdonald's BB Bucks for new releases. Either I got screwed or you got lucky.
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I entered in my coupon code online and did in-store pickup. I'll pickup the DVD tomorrow.
 
I'm going to pickup the 1 disc later this week and Batman SE. Don't care for the other films, although I may get Returns eventually.

The 1 disc is fine by me, I hardly ever watch all the bonus features and if I do I only watch them once. Not worth the extra $7 in my opinion.
 
The Scarecrow got away and Ras appeared to have been killed, but if you've read the comics you'll know that Ras *always* comes back.
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They pretty much wrote off Scarecrow the same way they wrote off the Riddler...goes insane at the receiving end of his own diabolical plan.

Ras seemed pretty dead to me, although Liam Neeson does do the little eye closing meditation thing before the subway goes flying off the track.

Also, there was no big "twist" at the end of Batman Begins. Dunno what movie you saw
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The Liam Neeson "Luke I am your father" character reveal, which I didnt know prior to seeing the movie but figured out once Liam Neeson came a knocking at Wayne Manor with the super secret ninja cult guys.

 
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