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Don't Bring A Knife To A Gun Fight.

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Blackjack200 said:
It's an interior door, not a security door. Most interior doors are just plyscore (or something very thin) over glued cardboard.

I agree that's its way too light for it's purpose here, but I imagine most apartment complexes use fairly light doors for the individual units, with the security doors at the entrance to the complex.
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My complex has really heavy doors, even though the building is access-controlled. I don't know why that door even has a deadbolt+chain when the door itself is so weak. Pointless.
 
Ichinisan said:
My complex has really heavy doors, even though the building is access-controlled. I don't know why that door even has a deadbolt+chain when the door itself is so weak. Pointless.
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I guess it slowed him up a bit and made it obvious he forced his way in if nothing else.
 
Blackjack200 said:
It's an interior door, not a security door. Most interior doors are just plyscore (or something very thin) over glued cardboard.

I agree that's its way too light for it's purpose here, but I imagine most apartment complexes use fairly light doors for the individual units, with the security doors at the entrance to the complex.
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Those doors are about $19 at Home Depot or Lowes. They're not intended as doors between apartment units - their use is more for bedroom doors within a house. I'd think that the dead bolt is proof enough that some security is intended. The dead bolt provided zero security, given the strength of that door.

That those doors were installed was probably to save money. I'm willing to bet that they are a code violation, as they would not provide the required fire rating.

The owner who shot the guy with the machete can probably sue the apartment complex over that door - he's going to have to spend the rest of his life in mental anguish over shooting another human being.
 
JulesMaximus said:
It's a stupid argument. I call it a clip just to annoy people who get their panties in a twist over stupid shit like this. 😀
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We like to point it out to get the peoples panties in a twist that are trying to get peoples panties in a twist.
 
DrPizza said:
Those doors are about $19 at Home Depot or Lowes. They're not intended as doors between apartment units - their use is more for bedroom doors within a house. I'd think that the dead bolt is proof enough that some security is intended. The dead bolt provided zero security, given the strength of that door.

That those doors were installed was probably to save money. I'm willing to bet that they are a code violation, as they would not provide the required fire rating.

The owner who shot the guy with the machete can probably sue the apartment complex over that door - he's going to have to spend the rest of his life in mental anguish over shooting another human being.
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Yeah. The article says he bought the gun after the same guy smashed through the door months earlier because the music was too loud.

Since it had already happened once, the apartment management was aware that the doors were inadequate. Apartment management definitely has some liability here.
 
DrPizza said:
Those doors are about $19 at Home Depot or Lowes. They're not intended as doors between apartment units - their use is more for bedroom doors within a house. I'd think that the dead bolt is proof enough that some security is intended. The dead bolt provided zero security, given the strength of that door.
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As someone who has had their door kicked in (I wasn't home at the time, THAT was a lovely surprise when I got back from work), I can tell you that even Home Depot external doors aren't really worth anything.

I beefed things up a bit when I reinstalled everything.
 
Gunshots are lethal something like 20% of the time, and it isn't easy to predicted what will be a lethal shot and what won't even slow someone down, its the basic reason for hollow points and center of mass, increases odds of stopping with fewest shots.

Almost anything short of a steel door in a steel frame can be kicked in if you hit it right.
 
Printer Bandit said:
who cares about the tissue paper door? what i want to know is how a guy shot in the chest 3 times manages to survive?
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The point is that some people, would prefer to live in a society that has decent external doors. A population, which almost entirely DON'T have guns, and don't even want them.
Additionally that society handles mentally ill people well, has little or no drug abuse, and has people who are happy to live together in peace and harmony.

tl;dr I am not a big fan of the free availability of guns and/or drugs, and want mentally people to be handled well.
 
SOFTengCOMPelec said:
The point is that some people, would prefer to live in a society that has decent external doors. A population, which almost entirely DON'T have guns, and don't even want them.
Additionally that society handles mentally ill people well, has little or no drug abuse, and has people who are happy to live together in peace and harmony.

tl;dr I am not a big fan of the free availability of guns and/or drugs, and want mentally people to be handled well.
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The only way to achieve said society is to change the hearts of human beings. There is no prohibition of guns, drugs or anything else that will stop evil people bent on doing evil acts.

We could do a heck of a lot more to help the mentally ill before they become violent, but in country that prizes the freedom of the individual it is very, very hard unless that person seeks treatment voluntarily.

Education and a change in our basic American cultural values are our only hope.
 
Holy crap what is that door made out of? The cheap Home Depot door I bought for my server room is stronger than that. That really does look like cardboard, even the hollow core doors you buy for inside don't break THAT easily.

Most doors still have a rather weak spot though. You have about 1/4 inch of wood, with a bit of steel (the door strike) holding the door shut. Now if the door opens on the outside you have the whole frame, but the thief has access to the hinges which now become the weak spot. The weakness of the latch is still there but it's harder to pull a door open than to push it open. In this case they could have all the deadbolts they wanted but the door was basically made of cardboard.
 
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Paladin3 said:
The only way to achieve said society is to change the hearts of human beings. There is no prohibition of guns, drugs or anything else that will stop evil people bent on doing evil acts.

We could do a heck of a lot more to help the mentally ill before they become violent, but in country that prizes the freedom of the individual it is very, very hard unless that person seeks treatment voluntarily.

Education and a change in our basic American cultural values are our only hope.
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I guess that there are MANY different ways of running societies, and there are many different factors involved.

(Changing the subject a bit), I would find the apparently extreme non-free nature of Russian society (communism), unacceptably BAD.

But I hear that there are many Russians, who really LIKE that way of life. Because although they are NOT free, they know exactly where they are, and how things will be.

There are countries with relatively many guns available to the population (e.g. Switzerland, I believe), which have a far lower rate of gun crime (deaths), than for example America.
So there must (probably) be, many other factors involved. NOT just the availability of guns.

I guess once things have been like that for many decades (and longer), it would be very difficult, and time consuming, to change things.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Holy crap what is that door made out of? The cheap Home Depot door I bought for my server room is stronger than that. That really does look like cardboard, even the hollow core doors you buy for inside don't break THAT easily.

Most doors still have a rather weak spot though. You have about 1/4 inch of wood, with a bit of steel (the door strike) holding the door shut. Now if the door opens on the outside you have the whole frame, but the thief has access to the hinges which now become the weak spot. The weakness of the latch is still there but it's harder to pull a door open than to push it open. In this case they could have all the deadbolts they wanted but the door was basically made of cardboard.
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In this case I don't see that it would matter if was just a screen door secured with a hook, the outcome would be just as reasonable.

As far as door security, pretty much any of the commonly available doors constructed of, or containing, wood are not going to be secure against something like this. Only when you get up to the 1 3/4"+ solid hardwood or all steel doors in a steel frame will they begin to be secure.
 
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