Don't be a mechanic.

master_shake_

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the cost of entry is too high the pay is too low and most customers are morons.

join a real trade.

electrician, plumber, pipe fitter, boiler maker, etc.

don't waste your time swinging wrenches.
 

bruceb

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You make some good points, but most of that applies if you work for someone else or a dealership. If you can get your ASE certifications and open your own shop, you can make good money. Cars are getting more complex by the day and they will always need trained technicians to fix mechanical and electrical gremlins. As to being an electrician, good career, but may be hard to get into a union. Same for plumber (somewhat messy at times) in either case, best to get a license and open your own shop.
 

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It's important to do what you like and you know the best, if you like fixing cars and you are good at it, then reasons you did state are not adequate to go for other profession.
As for electricians and plumbers, they are in this sense very similar: precision, safety and responsibility are key factors, if you can't keep up with that, you can't do the job.
The guy I bought a car from and been at his own shop a few times since, earns a ton, he also is employed in other shop. He is really good and he has been fixing everything from scratches on bodywork and windows to engines and transmissions. And he doesn't even charge that much for his service, it's just he always has a customers and his schedule is always full and he also gets paid extra because he does good job.

bruceb is right that these trades do have potential

Young people these days don't really want to do engineering/trade professions, most would like to take BJs in office and be rich. My country has unemployment rate at 14% because there are not enough people to fill engineering positions while we have too many people unemployed because they studied pointless courses and their useless education and usually also bad attitude prevents them from being employed altogether.
If you are good at any trade, learn it, master it, your skills will sell automatically.
 

master_shake_

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it's not that i can't do the job i am great at it.

it's the pay issue.

it's simply too low.
 

leper84

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From my experience, if you're a good, well rounded (diagnostics, low comebacks & getting cars done) tech-

- You aren't customer facing 99% of the time, because you're too damn busy to stop to talk much less breathe

- $80k-$120k a year is attainable in a busy shop.

- The cost of entry isn't anymore than owning your own small time A/C company. If you buy good tools they have great residual value. My thought has been I'm fine paying Snap On Credit $80 a week when those tools have helped me damn near double my income over the past few years.

- Customers are morons. They're morons when you fix their car, their roof, their home A/C, when you paint their house or when you sell them an Iphone at the ATT store. You aint getting away from that one easy switching trades.
 

master_shake_

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80k to 120k fixing cars?

not in a union or a fleet mechanic?

the only tech i know who makes over 100k a year is my boss cause he owns the place.
 

leper84

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80k to 120k fixing cars?

not in a union or a fleet mechanic?

the only tech i know who makes over 100k a year is my boss cause he owns the place.

36/flag hour X 50 hours a week is $1,800 a week. That by 52 is $93,600. Some guys can flag up to 60-70 a week easy, and I've heard of 40-45/flag hour for the best of the best.

Friend of mine is an old, salty 25 year L1 Master tech. He gets $1k a week to show up, $20 a flag hour on top plus another $10 a flag hour for whatever his Jr techs push out.
 

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Kudos to the OP.
The more people you can convince to stay out of the auto mechanic trade the better and higher prices us auto mechanics can charge (the law of supply and demand).
 

Sheep221

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- Customers are morons. They're morons when you fix their car, their roof, their home A/C, when you paint their house or when you sell them an Iphone at the ATT store. You aint getting away from that one easy switching trades.
This is somewhat true, I work with customers everyday and most of them respond very well and are easy to work with. There are times when you meet someone who is annoying and overly demanding, but after I clear the situation for them they usually accept it whether they like it or not, I work for established business so we can afford to just notify customers that this is the max we can do for them and if they are not satisfied then they just have to go somewhere else. However I don't work in auto industry so maybe they behave differently in repair shops.
 

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36/flag hour X 50 hours a week is $1,800 a week. That by 52 is $93,600. Some guys can flag up to 60-70 a week easy, and I've heard of 40-45/flag hour for the best of the best.

Friend of mine is an old, salty 25 year L1 Master tech. He gets $1k a week to show up, $20 a flag hour on top plus another $10 a flag hour for whatever his Jr techs push out.

Is 36 an hour a realistic pay figure for an auto mechanic? It seems really high to me (and the internet). 40-45 an hour seems borderline nuts unless we are talking about a custom fab shop or a racing team or something like that (and even then, it seems a bit high). Obviously, if you are the shop owner or something like that, it's a bit different. But in that case, you aren't just a mechanic, you are a small business owner.
 

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http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/auto-mechanic/salary

You are sniffing something good if you believe that 6 figures is a reasonable expectation for a mechanic's pay.

Not to mention that flat rate is normally what you will encounter. So yes, you will be cutting corners. Those who don't care will make bank. The thorough ones suffer in certain circumstances. I mean, who is going to drop a gas tank just to rid it of bad gas?

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/aut...OMOTIVE-TECHNICAINS-DONT-GET-PAID-WELL/t32112
 
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leper84

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what kinds of shops are these?

Independents. Dealers can pay well depending on the owner and who's elbow you rub the right way, but you get pigeon-holed into one make and are SOL if you move on to something else.

Is 36 an hour a realistic pay figure for an auto mechanic? It seems really high to me (and the internet). 40-45 an hour seems borderline nuts unless we are talking about a custom fab shop or a racing team or something like that (and even then, it seems a bit high). Obviously, if you are the shop owner or something like that, it's a bit different. But in that case, you aren't just a mechanic, you are a small business owner.

My experience is flag techs start at $18-$20 per flag hour, going up to $36 at the top end. If a shop needs a master tech with 20-30 years experience they can get 40-45.

I will say the guys getting 30+ per flag hour are fewer and far between. Tons of people who call themselves mechanics. Much fewer who are actual Diagnostic Technicians.

To most successful shop owners if you can provide results they don't mind the extra 10-20 a labor hour they pay you; when a good tech can add 60-100k+ a month in sales.

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/auto-mechanic/salary

You are sniffing something good if you believe that 6 figures is a reasonable expectation for a mechanic's pay.

Not to mention that flat rate is normally what you will encounter. So yes, you will be cutting corners. Those who don't care will make bank. The thorough ones suffer in certain circumstances. I mean, who is going to drop a gas tank just to rid it of bad gas?

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/aut...OMOTIVE-TECHNICAINS-DONT-GET-PAID-WELL/t32112

I'm sure those numbers include all the lube techs and general service/oil changer types making minimum wage- $12/ clock hour. As well as the cheap brake places that max out at 12/clock hour. As well as places like Firestone and certain dealers that top out at low 20's per flag hour.

Yes, its more rare. No, its not impossible or uncommon. With enough hard work, patience and dedication you can make serious money as a tech. Just like any skilled trade, if you take pride in your trade and the work you do, you will succeed.

Flat rate does not equal cutting corners. Say I get paid 5 flag hours to fix a car. I half ass it, cut corners and get it done in an hour. But when the car comes back, I'm working for free to fix it all over again (or I'm getting shit-canned). So not only do I not get paid to do the job again, I also lose out on other work I could be making money on at that moment. So cutting corners costs you double vs. just doing it right.
 

lxskllr

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There's also equipment mechanics. Dunno what they make, but it probably isn't bad. Get a job with a big construction company.
 

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I'd mostly be super concerned about starting a career as a mechanic where self driving cars are posed to radically change the face of transportation in the next decade or two. There may be a major downtick in the number of cars on the road. Doesn't help that the electric car revolution is coming soon as well and should result in a lot less work.
 

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I jumped from Auto Mechanic to Diesel Mechanic and got a HUGE jump in pay. Only needed a 1/2 year at the local vocational school since I already had my auto degree. At my current place of employment I jumped to heavy equipment operator since it pays the same as a mechanic and I go home clean every day!
 

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80k to 120k fixing cars?

not in a union or a fleet mechanic?

the only tech i know who makes over 100k a year is my boss cause he owns the place.

my buddy is definitely there as a master tech @ lexus, and he gets a $500/month stipend for a lexus too.


he only had to go to school for like 6 months too


I'd mostly be super concerned about starting a career as a mechanic where self driving cars are posed to radically change the face of transportation in the next decade or two. There may be a major downtick in the number of cars on the road. Doesn't help that the electric car revolution is coming soon as well and should result in a lot less work.

obvious answer: specialize in repairing self driving cars and work for uber.
 

Midwayman

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obvious answer: specialize in repairing self driving cars and work for uber.

Sure, but the total job market seems likely to contract. I'd be getting my specialty in electronics stuff.
 

Pacfanweb

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the cost of entry is too high the pay is too low and most customers are morons.

join a real trade.

electrician, plumber, pipe fitter, boiler maker, etc.

don't waste your time swinging wrenches.
Having been in the car business my entire life, I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Even though dealerships tend to have the best-skilled mechanics, you essentially have to learn to game the system to make any money. In other words, you have to lie and steal and cheat the book time.....because all the manufacturers have been systematically cutting times for decades now, and you can't get paid a fair amount for the jobs.

So you lie and say you did more than you actually had to. Or some guys choose to gouge the customer pay jobs.
Either way, the system requires you to cheat in order to make a decent living. All dealerships want to pay you flat rate times, then they want you to produce more hours than you work. (e.g., you work 40, you turn 60 hours)
You can't do that legitimately by just working hard and accepting "what the book pays". Not anymore. You have to cheat the warranty times.
Example:
Ford used to pay .7 for an EEC test. (what an OBD scan used to be called)
They'd then pay you .3 for the retest after the repair, plus whatever time the component you replaced needed.
So your average check engine light job, you'd get 1.2-1.5 hours. You could knock those our in 30 minutes once you knew what you were doing, then if the car had some miles on it you could legitimately upsell some maintenance.

They they started changing things. Suddenly it was .5 for the test. .2 for the pinpoint tests, and the parts replacement time. You could barely get 1 hour.

I think now it's about .2-.3 for the test. For some vehicles that had known problems, if one of those came in you weren't even supposed to pinpoint test to verify the cause...just replace a sensor that Ford knew about, which the whole job didn't even pay a half an hour.

Now, there's really no way to legitimately do a job in a half an hour. You get the job. You bring it in your stall. Get the tester and test it. It's got "that code". Go to parts. Wait in parts for your turn. Install part. Take the old part back to parts and get it signed off, as all warranty parts must be. Test drive car.
No way. Even if you manage that in a half hour, best you're going to do is equal the time, you're not getting ahead.

Warranty is loaded with jobs like that. Ford Windstars used to pay 15 or so hours to R&R and overhaul a transmission. Then one year, with almost no change in the car itself, they cut it back to 12 hours. No explanation.
Hundreds of examples of manufacturers doing this over the years.

If you're going to be a mechanic, and a top one, you need to work in a dealership for at least long enough to get their top certifications (ASE certifications are meaningless and any kid right out of tech school or the local community college's mechanic course can pass them.) ....and be prepared to suck it up and not be paid fairly while you do.
Now, if you can get more money by having the ASE certs, by all means...get them. They are dead easy to pass if you know your stuff.

Then go open your own shop so you can get paid fairly.

Or just skip this profession altogether.
 

Pacfanweb

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I jumped from Auto Mechanic to Diesel Mechanic and got a HUGE jump in pay. Only needed a 1/2 year at the local vocational school since I already had my auto degree. At my current place of employment I jumped to heavy equipment operator since it pays the same as a mechanic and I go home clean every day!
If you work on say, diesel Ford/GM/Dodge trucks, you'll be working a lot harder than the auto guys at the same place.
However, I do know a couple guys who used to work at the Ford place as truck techs, and they quit and went to a mobile heavy equipment repair outfit.....they are doing VERY well. Not a ton of those jobs available, but if you don't like being in one place all the time, it's a good option.
 

Pacfanweb

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http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/auto-mechanic/salary

You are sniffing something good if you believe that 6 figures is a reasonable expectation for a mechanic's pay.

Not to mention that flat rate is normally what you will encounter. So yes, you will be cutting corners. Those who don't care will make bank. The thorough ones suffer in certain circumstances. I mean, who is going to drop a gas tank just to rid it of bad gas?

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/aut...OMOTIVE-TECHNICAINS-DONT-GET-PAID-WELL/t32112

There are many mechanics that make 6 figures. Your best guys. And also the biggest thiefs, usually, lol.
But combine "thief" with "mad mechanic skills" and you get 6 figures.

This also depends on where you live. If you're in California, it's probably more common as everyone makes more there. If you're in North Carolina (where I am) there are guys that do that, but not as common. The ace guys at foreign car dealerships are likely your best sources, although I know of a few at domestic shops who do it, and they all match my description of "how" that I listed above.
 

Pacfanweb

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Is 36 an hour a realistic pay figure for an auto mechanic? It seems really high to me (and the internet). 40-45 an hour seems borderline nuts unless we are talking about a custom fab shop or a racing team or something like that (and even then, it seems a bit high). Obviously, if you are the shop owner or something like that, it's a bit different. But in that case, you aren't just a mechanic, you are a small business owner.
Depends on where you are. Nobody in my area is making anywhere near that much, and I suspect that if there's somewhere that mechanics make that hourly rate, the cost of living is why.
 

sontakke

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Frankly, any service personal who thinks his customers are "morons" is never going to make it. Just quit while you still can.