Don't ban black guns. Ban pink ones.

[Charles Kozierok]

Sad.

Yes, the gun should have been locked up. But guns are not toys, and should not look like toys.

 

[sigurros81]

Jesus fucking Christ. It's one thing if stupid people off themselves, but when innocents get hurt/killed because of someone else's negligence... :-(

 

[Nebor]

Most states have laws that will hold a parent responsible for failing to secure firearms from children.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I wish this were a joke, but it's not.

 

[sigurros81]

I wish this were a joke, but it's not.

Looks like a bitch to keep clean.

 

[soundforbjt]

Most states have laws that will hold a parent responsible for failing to secure firearms from children.

Too bad that won't bring the child back.

 

[soundforbjt]

Looks like a bitch to keep clean.

Kinda reminds me of the Joe Camel deal.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Okay, it turns out the "Hello Kitty AR-15" *is* a joke of sorts. Someone made it to parody the "ban guns because they are black and scary" concept; it's not a commercial product.

But it could be.

 

[monovillage]

Here you go.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?T=pink

ooohhh i'm so outraged. Look, even a pink Benchmade knife! What has the world come to?
Check out that Whitney Wolverine.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Here you go.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?T=pink

ooohhh i'm so outraged. Look, even a pink Benchmade knife! What has the world come to?
Check out that Whitney Wolverine.

I guess now I know what Moonbeam means when he talks about public opinion turning on gun owners. It will be thanks to gun zealots who aren't outraged by any number of pointless, preventable deaths.

 

[DominionSeraph]

If only the kids had had more guns, this could've been prevented.

When will libruls learn? When you outlaw kids playing with loaded guns, only outlaw kids will play with loaded guns.

 

[jpeyton]

That gun didn't look like a toy, it looked like a gun.

The solution here is not to start banning colors, but to ask parents to store their firearms properly, AND to teach children firearms safety at an early age.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Haven't been to the forums for a month or more, and just stumbled on this. I spend a lot more time in the techie threads when I'm here. And if you ask me how I spend my time, a lot more is spent watching the news and documentaries.

They published one of my letters to the local newspaper early last month, answering someone's idea of suppressing the news so as not to encourage copy-cat serial killers. I cited the 2009 release of a movie entitled "Rampage," noting that the events like Aurora, Clackamas, Newtown etc. were events with multiple causes. The multiple causes may include not only media and VR games, but failure to use security hardware, mental health and failure to address it. There is a probability of risk reduction attached to every causal factor.

I was sitting on the fence about the AR-15 because I don't have one, probably won't buy one, and see it as a common factor in all of the recent shootings. On the other hand, I could agree with some who actually use the weapon for hunting. I was a bit miffed at first when media pundits played up the feature of "semi-auto" when my dad's old Mossberg .22 LR rabbit gun was also a "semi-auto."

And I note how that 50 year-old .22 would handle in the standing position for weighing about 10 lbs., while the AR-15 would be a joy to aim and shoot.

I must agree with my friends of life-long law-enforcement experience, that an AR-15 is sub-optimal for home defence. In closely-built urban settings, the .223 rounds could pass through the front wall of your townhome condominium, cross the street, and kill a neighbor. The opinion favors a handgun or a pump-action shotgun. The latter item is intimidating just for the sound heard when you rack it.

How it "looks," whether it is compact with light weight shouldn't be a key factor in the discussion. But I've now seen how quickly one can get off four rounds, and I'd vote for limitations for magazines and clips.

Now in general -- let me say that we are living at a particularly sick time in American political and social history. So I wouldn't feel safer with 300 million guns in the hands of some I might regard as "unhinged," unless I had at least that shotgun.

Local ordinances restrict the use of firearms within the city limit; I cannot technically fire a CO2 pellet pistol to kill squirrels without violating two different regulations: discharge of a firearm inside the city limits, and the method for putting down squirrels -- with poison allowed and regulated.

 

[Doppel]

Okay, it turns out the "Hello Kitty AR-15" *is* a joke of sorts. Someone made it to parody the "ban guns because they are black and scary" concept; it's not a commercial product.

But it could be.

Well there are pink .22s, I've seen them at Dicks. I don't think it makes much diff. Obviously this kid's parents are substantially if not entirely at fault. Kids play with shit, and any boy worth his salt is going to play with guns. Even kids who've never been around them magically gravitate to the concept, due to their inherent violence as being male humans.

 

[nehalem256]

This is what happens when we allow boys to play with pink toys

 

[jpeyton]

I was sitting on the fence about the AR-15 because I don't have one, probably won't buy one, and see it as a common factor in all of the recent shootings.

Except the Gifford's shooting. Or VA Tech. Or Columbine. Or 99% of gun homicides.

I must agree with my friends of life-long law-enforcement experience, that an AR-15 is sub-optimal for home defence. In closely-built urban settings, the .223 rounds could pass through the front wall of your townhome condominium, cross the street, and kill a neighbor.

Your law enforcement friends must not have seen many ballistics tests, which show .223 rounds having similar penetration/fragmentation patterns to that of handgun rounds. Your choice of ammunition is more important in a home defense situation than your choice of firearm. A 12-gauge loaded with 1 oz slugs will penetrate a lot more than one loaded with buckshot. A 9mm loaded with FMJ will go through more barriers than one with JHP.

But I've now seen how quickly one can get off four rounds, and I'd vote for limitations for magazines and clips.

What's your magic number, and how did you conclude that your round limit would reduce gun crime?

 

[Fenixgoon]

In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-pink handgun at a reporter.

“Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.

“I just didn’t have my hand on the trigger,” she said.

sigh....education would go a long way to curbing firearm- and automotive-related fatalities. but you'll never hear any politician actually admit that.

 

[monovillage]

I guess now I know what Moonbeam means when he talks about public opinion turning on gun owners. It will be thanks to gun zealots who aren't outraged by any number of pointless, preventable deaths.

Only an idiot or a lawsuit suitor would think that the color of the gun had anything to do with the death of the child. Which one are you?

 

[tcG]

Looks like a bitch to keep clean.

How would you know?

EDIT: Disregard this post. I read the quoted text incorrectly.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Only an idiot or a lawsuit suitor would think that the color of the gun had anything to do with the death of the child. Which one are you?

Congratulations on missing the entire point, once again.

At least you're consistent.

 

[monovillage]

Congratulations on missing the entire point, once again.

At least you're consistent.

I still miss the point and you're still a trolling asshole. Some things never change.

Of course you posting this thread had nothing at all to my posting about my grandkids gifts.

posted by monovillage: I hope to give my grandkids their first .22 rifle at about that age. I already got their parents permission. The pink Crickett for the girls and the red, white and blue one for the boys.

Don't you love this country ?
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?T=cricket

Right CK ?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I still miss the point and you're still a trolling asshole. Some things never change.

You're the one person making a joke out of a three-year-old killed by a gun that looks like a toy, and *I'm* the asshole.

Gotcha.

Of course you posting this thread had nothing at all to my posting about my grandkids gifts.

That's correct, it had nothing at all to do with that. I hadn't seen that post until just now, and this thread is based on a news story.

But of course, since it says something you don't like, it must automatically be "trolling". Sorry, you're just not that important.

 

[Cerb]

Yeah, children can be taught not to play with firearms, but most aren't going to be ready at 3. A home defense gun should be kept somewhere with easy access to responsible parties (which may very well include 10+ year old boy and girls), and either under watch by them, or hidden from toddlers. Get one with a lock in it and wear the key on your neck at night. Get one with a mag safety, and stash the magazine under your pillow or mattress. There are options in between an unloaded gun and gun in a safe, for preserving quick access (one of many reasons there are so many makes and models out there).

The 7-year-old, OTOH, should have been taught about it, already. Destroy a melon and water jug in front of them, teach them basic safety, and then keep it out of their reach. The 3-year-old will then have trouble finding it, and if that happens, the 7-year-old will know well enough to treat it with the respect it deserves.

There's a reason nothing remotely like this has happened within my family, even extending out as far as I know it, and it's not luck: we were all taught how dangerous they could be at young ages, and then taught how to handle them once a bit older. I knew damn well not to just play with them by the time I was 7, and that was not by accident, but by directed effort from family members.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I agree that the main problem here is improper handling/securing of the gun.

But I'm sorry, there is no need for guns that look so much like they are toys. We take steps in other areas to avoid confusion that could harm kids, and since the color of a gun has nothing to do with its efficacy, I see no valid reason to object to this.

 

[jpeyton]

I agree that the main problem here is improper handling/securing of the gun.

But I'm sorry, there is no need for guns that look so much like they are toys. We take steps in other areas to avoid confusion that could harm kids, and since the color of a gun has nothing to do with its efficacy, I see no valid reason to object to this.

No, sorry, I don't think we need a new law every time somebody's kid dies. Nobody's kid is that special. Not yours, not mine.

Toy guns look like real guns, not the other way around.

And restricting colors on something is just climbing up the ladder of stupidity.

I'm at the point where anytime someone suggests a new gun law and says "think of the children", I tell them to take their children and f**k off.