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Donald Trump threatens GOP with third-party run

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LegendKiller said:
Which millions are those? The ones we shouldn't give a shit about, because they are here *ILLEGALLY* and commit crimes, or the millions he wasn't referring to?

Because if you have a brain the size god gave sand flea, you realize he meant the former.

We shouldn't care if they don't like our system, they are immaterial to the discussion. The only reason why people like Luis Guitierrez wants them part of the discussion is to sway them to his way, free money for everybody, provided they vote for his party. Buying votes from people who are here illegally.

You don't find a problem with this?
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Buying votes from people who are here illegally? Are you even reading what you write these days?

And, no, I don't have any problem at all with illegals voting. Because it plain doesn't happen. Unless you think that maybe the 10 or 20 votes cast each year by illegals - out of hundreds of millions of total votes cast - is a "problem" we should be wasting even one breath about.

Edit: I'm guessing that the number of votes miscounted each year because of hanging chads dwarfs the number votes cast by illegals. Maybe you should re-direct your rage at an issue that may actually make a difference.
 
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LegendKiller said:
Which millions are those? The ones we shouldn't give a shit about, because they are here *ILLEGALLY* and commit crimes, or the millions he wasn't referring to?

Because if you have a brain the size god gave sand flea, you realize he meant the former.

We shouldn't care if they don't like our system, they are immaterial to the discussion. The only reason why people like Luis Guitierrez wants them part of the discussion is to sway them to his way, free money for everybody, provided they vote for his party. Buying votes from people who are here illegally.

You don't find a problem with this?
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I find your raving delusions to be pitiful.
 
hal2kilo said:
It's disappointing.
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What is disappointing is that people run around justifying illegal immigration and acceptance of it while bemoaning the fact that there are millions of people out of work. They say that our wages aren't competitive and nobody will do the work but empirical evidence says otherwise. How the fuck does any liberal run around saying they hate that young black men have sky-high unemployment but then accepts illegal immigration? What about any young person that has seen their jobs taken? Do you not care about them?

And what happens when the illegals are made legal? Do you think that the threat of deportation is going to keep their wages down anymore? Nope. Same shit, now we just have the same amount of equivalent workers fighting for fewer jobs.

Anybody who doesn't immediately say that the borders need to be shut, NOW, and illegals deported, are nothing but jackasses who ignore their own countrymen and would rather just fuck them over than accept a politically incorrect reality, that we cannot assimilate half of the shithole south america. There's a reason why it's a shithole, because they don't care, or their governments are corrupted by drug runners, which you don't seem to care about either.

And what about China? Nope, nobody cares there either. Forget the *FACT* that they manipulated their currency to screw American workers.

Fuck the middle class. Fuck the lower class. Let China take everything, let Latinos take everything.

That is the mantra of anybody who just accepts the status quo and votes for Billery, or Bush, or any of the other tools who haven't *ONCE* spoken about China or the fact that the lower class is being utterly assraped by illegal immigration.

That is what is disappointing.
 
Jhhnn said:
I find your raving delusions to be pitiful.
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And I find your blind acceptance of the status quo to be treasonous.

Do you not give a flying fuck through a rolling donut about the American worker?

No, you don't. You are slavishly tied to the political correct mantra of "let everybody in" and "bow to China at all costs", regardless of the economic realities of lower and middle class destitution.
 
shira said:
Buying votes from people who are here illegally? Are you even reading what you write these days?

And, no, I don't have any problem at all with illegals voting. Because it plain doesn't happen. Unless you think that maybe the 10 or 20 votes cast each year by illegals - out of hundreds of millions of total votes cast - is a "problem" we should be wasting even one breath about.

Edit: I'm guessing that the number of votes miscounted each year because of hanging chads dwarfs the number votes cast by illegals. Maybe you should re-direct your rage at an issue that may actually make a difference.
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Are you that fucking dumb? Today's illegal is tomorrow's Luis Gutierrez legal that will vote for the Dems because they are seen as saviors. Hence the demonization of anybody who dares touch the new 3rd rail of politics. That's why Bush et al run away from confronting the issue, they don't want to make enemies with 11 million future voters.

Geebus, you guys are fucking dense.
 
LegendKiller said:
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Geebus, you guys are fucking dense.
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Jeb Bush wants to eliminate Medicare, Donald Trump wants to make America great again. If he can't make America great again by running as a Republican, then he should run as an independent IMO.
 
LegendKiller said:
Way to be a twitterhead and not counter the actual point.

Are you that naive that you don't think they are trying to buy votes?
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sorry, you consider trumplestiltskin to be a viable candidate, hence all credibility is gone. same can be said for those who support(ed) palin, bachmann, jindal, perry, walker, huckabee, santorum and carson.

the crazy cup overfloeth maximus.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
sorry, you consider trumplestiltskin to be a viable candidate, hence all credibility is gone. same can be said for those who support(ed) palin, bachmann, jindal, perry, walker, huckabee, santorum and carson.

the crazy cup overfloeth maximus.
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Have I *ever* said I consider him a viable candidate?

Have you ever seen me argue that I'd vote for him?

Or have you seen me support *two* of his ideas?

Nice try at duhflecting.
 
LegendKiller said:
This is the problem with people who will vote establishment, no matter what. They cannot just debate the ideas, they simply resort to calling names like "nativist" or "racist" rather than coming up with a valid point in reply.
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Rage and rhetoric are not ideas that require debate.
 
Vic said:
Rage and rhetoric are not ideas that require debate.
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So then answer these very specific questions, one by one. This applies to the rest of the fuckwits above.

So you deny that the flood of illegals has suppressed wages, jobs, and opportunity for the lower/young population? Do you deny that this has acutely effected other minority groups and especially the young in those groups? Do you deny that the idea that "Americans won't work" those jobs is a false narrative perpetuated to divert Americans away from the reality of the situation?

So you also deny that China is manipulating their currency to further cause economic problems in the US? Do you deny that the narrative that the US worker is too expensive is a false narrative driven by the economic elite to drive maximum economic benefit at the expense of the average US worker?

Do you deny that both of these are major economic problems?

Do you deny that not a single mainstream candidate has mentioned even a hint of both of these problems?

If you deny any of those, then provide a sound reason why.

This is how a debate works. Do you need me to draw a stick figure?

The problem is, all of you know this is a problem, but you're either partisan hacks, disgustingly naive, idiotically politically correct, or willfully ignorant, or all 4.
 
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LegendKiller said:
So then answer these very specific questions, one by one. This applies to the rest of the fuckwits above.

So you deny that the flood of illegals has suppressed wages, jobs, and opportunity for the lower/young population? Do you deny that this has acutely effected other minority groups and especially the young in those groups? Do you deny that the idea that "Americans won't work" those jobs is a false narrative perpetuated to divert Americans away from the reality of the situation?

So you also deny that China is manipulating their currency to further cause economic problems in the US? Do you deny that the narrative that the US worker is too expensive is a false narrative driven by the economic elite to drive maximum economic benefit at the expense of the average US worker?

Do you deny that both of these are major economic problems?

Do you deny that not a single mainstream candidate has mentioned even a hint of both of these problems?

If you deny any of those, then provide a sound reason why.

This is how a debate works. Do you need me to draw a stick figure?

The problem is, all of you know this is a problem, but you're either partisan hacks, disgustingly naive, idiotically politically correct, or willfully ignorant, or all 4.
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I deny that Trump has any intention of introducing any practical solution to either of those issues besides the same old tired isolationist and protectionist rhetoric.
 
LegendKiller said:
Are you that fucking dumb? Today's illegal is tomorrow's Luis Gutierrez legal that will vote for the Dems because they are seen as saviors. Hence the demonization of anybody who dares touch the new 3rd rail of politics. That's why Bush et al run away from confronting the issue, they don't want to make enemies with 11 million future voters.

Geebus, you guys are fucking dense.
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Are you daft? So your concern is with illegals going through a not-yet-legislatively passed procedure that defines a long-term path for a subset of illegals to become legal residents, and then (5 years later at the earliest) for them to become American citizens? THAT is what you're railing about? This is the horrendous vote-buying you're up-in-arms about?

You've lost it.

Edit: As I wrote in another thread, any "threat" of increasing the number of Democratic voters represented by this delusive scenario of yours can be more than countervailed by the simple expediency of Republicans removing all hurdles to making on-demand abortions quick and easy. Think of the millions of minority voters who WON'T exist to vote for Democrats if only abortions were cheap and easy to obtain.
 
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You misidentify our domestic economic problems entirely, LK. The problem is lack of demand. If we kicked out the illegals demand would actually go down.

If we enacted Trump's bullshit tax agenda, demand would go down even more because it favors the investor class entirely, people who make much, much more than they spend & whose efforts have become parasitic in many ways. Rich people don't buy more stuff or use more services when they have more wealth & make more money- they just use it to finance offshoring & automation, gamble with each other thru financial instruments.

What trickle down Reaganomics has done is substitute debt for the earnings of employees every inch of the way to hold up demand. That will only carry us just so far before it locks up & crashes like the Ownership Society. When it does, we need to find other ways to create demand & favoring the perps even more sure as Hell isn't it.
 
Jhhnn said:
You misidentify our domestic economic problems entirely, LK. The problem is lack of demand. If we kicked out the illegals demand would actually go down.

If we enacted Trump's bullshit tax agenda, demand would go down even more because it favors the investor class entirely, people who make much, much more than they spend & whose efforts have become parasitic in many ways. Rich people don't buy more stuff or use more services when they have more wealth & make more money- they just use it to finance offshoring & automation, gamble with each other thru financial instruments.

What trickle down Reaganomics has done is substitute debt for the earnings of employees every inch of the way to hold up demand. That will only carry us just so far before it locks up & crashes like the Ownership Society. When it does, we need to find other ways to create demand & favoring the perps even more sure as Hell isn't it.
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Gotta love the justification. It's OK that they take American jobs, they shop at Wal Mart!

Agreed on his *2011* tax plan, nothing current listed.
 
shira said:
Are you daft? So your concern is with illegals going through a not-yet-legislatively passed procedure that defines a long-term path for a subset of illegals to become legal residents, and then (5 years later at the earliest) for them to become American citizens? THAT is what you're railing about? This is the horrendous vote-buying you're up-in-arms about?

You've lost it.

Edit: As I wrote in another thread, any "threat" of increasing the number of Democratic voters represented by this delusive scenario of yours can be more than countervailed by the simple expediency of Republicans removing all hurdles to making on-demand abortions quick and easy. Think of the millions of minority voters who WON'T exist to vote for Democrats if only abortions were cheap and easy to obtain.
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Yeah, that's why so few illegals and their PC morons are rallying so hard to get the ball rolling.
 
LegendKiller said:
Yeah, that's why so few illegals and their PC morons are rallying so hard to get the ball rolling.
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You want to know why nothing will be done to your satisfaction? Because illegal immigrants are cheap labor for businesses. Guess which party most businessmen tend to belong (and contribute) to? The Republican party. You might want something done about illegal immigration but businesses love their cheap labor and pay off enough congresscritters on the right to guarantee that nothing will be done about it. That's why you have some Republican politicians who rail against immigration and others who block any action on the issue (other than both sides agreeing to block anything the Democrats do to deal with it). In the end, both Republicans and Democrats use the issue to their advantage but at least the Democrats are honest in their stance on the issue.

You aren't going to change the minds of Democrats so if you want something done about it you better start yelling at the Republicans...lol
 
LegendKiller said:
Gotta love the justification. It's OK that they take American jobs, they shop at Wal Mart!

Agreed on his *2011* tax plan, nothing current listed.
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And you accused Vic of dodging. Amazing. If you can't address the issue of lack of demand then you can't really form an argument, can you?

Of course not, so you just apply classist derision.

Hey, maybe it's that kind of attitude among power holders that has led to all too many people shopping at Walmart & Goodwill because it's what they can afford.
 
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