Donald trump = Silent Minority/Majority

[steppinthrax]

I have a pretty low confidence in DT making it to the primaries. It's a situation for the GOP that they don't want. He's making them look bad, real bad. The GOP has tried hard to reverse the common stereotypes that they are known for.

DT reinforces the fuck out of them. Racism, bigotry, misogynist, I'm sure you already know.

Yet he seems to be very popular.

Theory: There exist a silent minority/majority group of whites who generally hold poor views on blacks, immigrants, non-Christians etc... They don't voice themselves because of fear and generally keep to themselves but if possible always vote GOP (since this is the closest). DT allows them to "come out of the closet". He fuels them and gives them hope of a far right America. Those that were to scared to say Fuck Muslims, blacks, Gays etc... have to fear to say this with and in front of Trump.

Just a thought, fear is how large is this group, scary if this is the Majority of the country?

 

[IronWing]

Trump is entertaining. If I were asked in a poll if I supported the Donald's candidacy, I would say "Hell yeah!" not because I want him to be President but because he delivers the circuses. The Donald is a symptom of a stupidly long campaign season. The bozos have been going at it for over a year and there is still eleven months to go. If the parties don't like the clowns, they need to start much, much closer to the election when people might take their candidates seriously.

 

[steppinthrax]

Trump is entertaining. If I were asked in a poll if I supported the Donald's candidacy, I would say "Hell yeah!" not because I want him to be President but because he delivers the circuses. The Donald is a symptom of a stupidly long campaign season. The bozos have been going at it for over a year and there is still eleven months to go. If the parties don't like the clowns, they need to start much, much closer to the election when people might take their candidates seriously.

I kind of agree. Election just seems like a big fucking joke.

Hell, I support DT for the circus as well.

 

[Mai72]

Think about this. America is in the beginning of a huge cultural shift. Imagine if you are a white male in your 60s. Probably the only people you've ever known were white. Your school was white. Your neighborhood was white. Your friends were white. Gay people were in the closet. Black people lived on the other side of the tracks. You had a simple job that paid decent. You had a wife, 2 kids and a little house with a white picket fence.

That has changed. America is more diverse than its ever been. Minorities are going to be the majority in 20 years. Gay people are more prevalent and hold positions of power today. Many middle class people are sliding right into poverty. Good paying jobs have been outsourced. Divorce is rampant Our education system is much more liberal, and we've taken God out of our schools. OMG, the world is ending!

So, when someone like Trump runs for president, ignorant and scared people jump with glee, because he talks talks about the issues that many ignorant people want to talk about. He's fear mongering. He knows what to say, and he knows how to stir the pot. IMO, he's no different than Hitler.

 

[IronWing]

^^ That ship left harbor a long time ago. Explaining bigotry by saying "things are different now" doesn't fly anymore. The Civil Rights movement was well under way fifty-sixty years ago. People choose to be bigots.

The point about the destruction of the middle class creating fear and uncertainty about the future is valid though.

 

[OrByte]

Republicans are successful if government isn't.

Trump is the posterboy for derailing government. This is where he gets his popularity.

The more outlandish his positions the more likely government won't work/can't perform...the more attractive he is to republicans.

Edit: if you don't believe me, even CONSERVATIVES are being ostracized in the Republican party.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Think about this. America is in the beginning of a huge cultural shift. Imagine if you are a white male in your 60s. Probably the only people you've ever known were white. Your school was white. Your neighborhood was white. Your friends were white. Gay people were in the closet. Black people lived on the other side of the tracks. You had a simple job that paid decent. You had a wife, 2 kids and a little house with a white picket fence.

That has changed. America is more diverse than its ever been. Minorities are going to be the majority in 20 years. Gay people are more prevalent and hold positions of power today. Many middle class people are sliding right into poverty. Good paying jobs have been outsourced. Divorce is rampant Our education system is much more liberal, and we've taken God out of our schools. OMG, the world is ending!

So, when someone like Trump runs for president, ignorant and scared people jump with glee, because he talks talks about the issues that many ignorant people want to talk about. He's fear mongering. He knows what to say, and he knows how to stir the pot. IMO, he's no different than Hitler.

Yes, that's so simple, it should be obvious.

When Obama ran in 2008, I was watching the election returns come in from states that should be "mildly blue," but had a history of swinging this way and that. I focused my attention on West Virginia.

They pretty much went "solid red."

Then I checked the census statistics. African-Americans make up only 4% of the West Virginia population. More than that, WV natives had often been the butt of hill-billy jokes.

People who harbor a sense of strong white racial identity can often be found on lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder. They're always looking at some other group to treat as being on a rung yet-lower.

I'd seen this in the Zimmerman trial for the Martin murder. Zimmy likely had great insecurity over his own ethnic status, and used his "neighborhood watch" responsibilities to reinforce his sense of security.

Racism is subtle. People other than your hardcore white-supremacists don't say they harbor racist attitudes, and they deny they have any. And they believe it.

On the Trump angle, the percentage difference between non-college-educated whites and their college counterparts who support Trump is stunning.

 

[Meghan54]

Think about this. America is in the beginning of a huge cultural shift. Imagine if you are a white male in your 60s. Probably the only people you've ever known were white. Your school was white. Your neighborhood was white. Your friends were white. Gay people were in the closet. Black people lived on the other side of the tracks. You had a simple job that paid decent. You had a wife, 2 kids and a little house with a white picket fence.

That has changed. America is more diverse than its ever been. Minorities are going to be the majority in 20 years. Gay people are more prevalent and hold positions of power today. Many middle class people are sliding right into poverty. Good paying jobs have been outsourced. Divorce is rampant Our education system is much more liberal, and we've taken God out of our schools. OMG, the world is ending!

So, when someone like Trump runs for president, ignorant and scared people jump with glee, because he talks talks about the issues that many ignorant people want to talk about. He's fear mongering. He knows what to say, and he knows how to stir the pot. IMO, he's no different than Hitler.

Well, I am a white male in my 60's and I find your characterization of my age group woefully ignorant.

I grew up in Georgia, knew more than a few black persons, God was never in the public schools I attended (as routine daily prayers, 10 Commandments on the wall, religious anything actually), my simple job that paid decent was as an RN (after my 7 years in the military).

But I'm glad you seem to think anyone over the age of 24 or so is incapable of accepting change. It's laughable.

Consider....persons over the age of 60 experienced a massive social upheaval in their lives---ever heard of the 1960's? You ought to read about what was going on then....may open your eyes to what we've experienced.

You know, things like the Vietnam War and the protests against it (sometimes with dire consequences---see Kent State), Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, rise of women's rights, being taken to the brink of nuclear war with the USSR, and on and on, even including a Donald Trump act-alike in Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964.

 

[Subyman]

^^ That ship left harbor a long time ago. Explaining bigotry by saying "things are different now" doesn't fly anymore. The Civil Rights movement was well under way fifty-sixty years ago. People choose to be bigots.

The point about the destruction of the middle class creating fear and uncertainty about the future is valid though.

He's not saying he agrees with them or gives them a pass. I think he is right in a lot of ways. I have a front row seat living in a small rural town. A lot of the guys that support Trump that I have seen first hand (some are even friends) are middle class with mostly blue collar jobs. Some work in oil fields. Some are coal miners. Some are managers at warehouses. They live small lives, hardly travel, and are depressed, bored, and aging. All their internal struggles are easily projected on the "flavor of the week" hate group. Understanding the self is the hardest thing we have to do in life and a lot of people never do it and instead busy themselves targeting the anger and fear not understanding the self creates onto others. (I'm starting to sound like moonbeam...)

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Well, I am a white male in my 60's and I find your characterization of my age group woefully ignorant.

I grew up in Georgia, knew more than a few black persons, God was never in the public schools I attended (as routine daily prayers, 10 Commandments on the wall, religious anything actually), my simple job that paid decent was as an RN (after my 7 years in the military).

But I'm glad you seem to think anyone over the age of 24 or so is incapable of accepting change. It's laughable.

Consider....persons over the age of 60 experienced a massive social upheaval in their lives---ever heard of the 1960's? You ought to read about what was going on then....may open your eyes to what we've experienced.

You know, things like the Vietnam War and the protests against it (sometimes with dire consequences---see Kent State), Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, rise of women's rights, being taken to the brink of nuclear war with the USSR, and on and on, even including a Donald Trump act-alike in Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964.

Keep in mind we're discussing a statistical scatter. Your own life-experience is just one instance. No different than I -- I'm 68.

The hard-core Trump supporter as a mind-set was a factor in the political mix since Joe McCarthy and before Goldwater. It had variously been called "the paranoid streak in American politics." I think we call them wing-nuts now.

But in many ways, they're hopelessly naïve.

 

[Rakehellion]

Theory: There exist a silent minority/majority group of whites who generally hold poor views on blacks, immigrants, non-Christians etc... They don't voice themselves because of fear and generally keep to themselves but if possible always vote GOP (since this is the closest). DT allows them to "come out of the closet". He fuels them and gives them hope of a far right America. Those that were to scared to say Fuck Muslims, blacks, Gays etc... have to fear to say this with and in front of Trump.

You mean racism still exists? Brilliant revelation that no one else has noticed before.

 

[Rakehellion]

What has Trump said about blacks?

 

[Subyman]

What has Trump said about blacks?

That is in the lineup for next week. However, he did put out bogus statistics with inflammatory imagery a few weeks ago:

 

[steppinthrax]

Well, I am a white male in my 60's and I find your characterization of my age group woefully ignorant.

I grew up in Georgia, knew more than a few black persons, God was never in the public schools I attended (as routine daily prayers, 10 Commandments on the wall, religious anything actually), my simple job that paid decent was as an RN (after my 7 years in the military).

But I'm glad you seem to think anyone over the age of 24 or so is incapable of accepting change. It's laughable.

Consider....persons over the age of 60 experienced a massive social upheaval in their lives---ever heard of the 1960's? You ought to read about what was going on then....may open your eyes to what we've experienced.

You know, things like the Vietnam War and the protests against it (sometimes with dire consequences---see Kent State), Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, rise of women's rights, being taken to the brink of nuclear war with the USSR, and on and on, even including a Donald Trump act-alike in Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964.

He was describing this in the context of a Typical DT voter.

 

[steppinthrax]

What has Trump said about blacks?

That's really the only group he hasn't heavily attacked. But do you actually think he won't, just hasn't got to it yet.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

What has Trump said about blacks?

He said one of them was born in Kenya, when the State of Hawaii confirms otherwise.

Beyond that, he says the President can do no right, while Donald Trump can do no wrong.

This just in from Bob Dole: "The President is a very nice man, but he lacked experience . . . " You'd never hear that from Trump and friends, but for the last part of it.

Trump and his supporters know that they can't alienate close to 18% of the likely electorate. But going back to 2010, it just "shows" anyway -- like the Emperor with no clothes.

Another thought about this, versus hearing anything about AA's as a whole group.

Colin Powell did a real flip-flop on his party a few years into the Obama presidency, coming out for Obama in 2012. I only offer that racism within the military was probably attenuated more -- and earlier -- than elsewhere, even though it is certainly "there." Either as a "white" person or an AA, you could develop a false sense of progress, coming up in that environment. I had the same false sense of it during the '80s, and it took me a long time to process things I'd observed until I finally understood the subtlety of it.

 

[dank69]

He said one of them was born in Kenya, when the State of Hawaii confirms otherwise.

Beyond that, he says the President can do no right, while Donald Trump can do no wrong.

This just in from Bob Dole: "The President is a very nice man, but he lacked experience . . . " You'd never hear that from Trump and friends, but for the last part of it.

Trump and his supporters know that they can't alienate close to 18% of the likely electorate. But going back to 2010, it just "shows" anyway -- like the Emperor with no clothes.

Another thought about this, versus hearing anything about AA's as a whole group.

Colin Powell did a real flip-flop on his party a few years into the Obama presidency, coming out for Obama in 2012. I only offer that racism within the military was probably attenuated more -- and earlier -- than elsewhere, even though it is certainly "there." Either as a "white" person or an AA, you could develop a false sense of progress, coming up in that environment. I had the same false sense of it during the '80s, and it took me a long time to process things I'd observed until I finally understood the subtlety of it.

Also said the BLM guy deserved his beating.

 

[Mai72]

He was describing this in the context of a Typical DT voter.

Exactly. I know that people are different and everyone has different experiences in life. I was just talking about the DT voter. I think education has a lot to do with this as well. I'd like to see Ole DT go to a university. He'd get booed right off campus.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Also said the BLM guy deserved his beating.

For a minute, I was thinking "Bureau of Land Management!"

I found the news pertaining to the Black Lives Matter protester, so I'm on board with you.

I've been making armchair observations about this since Trayvon and Brown, per "mass-psychology."

All of the incidents sparking the BLM activism are different, or they vary. For instance, I personally think the policeman in the Brown shooting got a raw deal, in that the rest of his life is going to taste like shit -- just like the three blacks in my town here between 1971 and '75 who were falsely accused -- railroaded -- for the Christensen-Tiel cop killing. But the governance of Ferguson and other aspects led up to the incident. Whether or not Darren Wilson was culpable of anything, the broader circumstances reveal a lot more.

With a dearth of more facts, the mass-psyche can take detours in its conclusions. Do the BLM protesters have a valid issue? No doubt about it. Does the Trump crowd over-generalize? Using the phrase of one of their icons -- "You betcha!"

 

[SheHateMe]

Still shaking my head at those two stereotypical black women speaking at his rally. They were so fucking loud. The short one with the the streotypical black haircut gave me a headache....she was basically the other one's hype-man. Jesus.....like, that was the ultimate shuck and jive.

"He gon' build dat wahll!!!"


....fuck. Wish I could unzip out of this skin sometimes.

There's plenty of well spoken black republicans out there...and they get these two up there to do a little dance.

 

[umbrella39]

Think about this. America is in the beginning of a huge cultural shift. Imagine if you are a white male in your 60s. Probably the only people you've ever known were white. Your school was white. Your neighborhood was white. Your friends were white. Gay people were in the closet. Black people lived on the other side of the tracks. You had a simple job that paid decent. You had a wife, 2 kids and a little house with a white picket fence.

That has changed. America is more diverse than its ever been. Minorities are going to be the majority in 20 years. Gay people are more prevalent and hold positions of power today. Many middle class people are sliding right into poverty. Good paying jobs have been outsourced. Divorce is rampant Our education system is much more liberal, and we've taken God out of our schools. OMG, the world is ending!

So, when someone like Trump runs for president, ignorant and scared people jump with glee, because he talks talks about the issues that many ignorant people want to talk about. He's fear mongering. He knows what to say, and he knows how to stir the pot. IMO, he's no different than Hitler.

This.

Many of these old white males DT fanboys you speak of are filled with anger and hatred. They have been very unsuccessful in their lifelong attempts to indoctrinate their children with the hateful racism and bigotry that drips out of their every pore. They are scared that their hate genes could not be handed down, even when trying to rule with an iron fist. Their kids now hate them and they know that their kind is slowly, but ultimately... dying off. These are the people that you see on Facebook comments sections that are "Retired" and attended "the School of Hard Knocks". Good riddance...

 

[feralkid]

For a minute, I was thinking "Bureau of Land Management!"

Ha!

Me, too...do folks in your area refer to it as the Bureau of Lumber and Mines?

 

[alcoholbob]

Think about this. America is in the beginning of a huge cultural shift. Imagine if you are a white male in your 60s. Probably the only people you've ever known were white. Your school was white. Your neighborhood was white. Your friends were white. Gay people were in the closet. Black people lived on the other side of the tracks. You had a simple job that paid decent. You had a wife, 2 kids and a little house with a white picket fence.

That has changed. America is more diverse than its ever been. Minorities are going to be the majority in 20 years. Gay people are more prevalent and hold positions of power today. Many middle class people are sliding right into poverty. Good paying jobs have been outsourced. Divorce is rampant Our education system is much more liberal, and we've taken God out of our schools. OMG, the world is ending!

So, when someone like Trump runs for president, ignorant and scared people jump with glee, because he talks talks about the issues that many ignorant people want to talk about. He's fear mongering. He knows what to say, and he knows how to stir the pot. IMO, he's no different than Hitler.

For 60 years olds sure. White children in schools have been going through this transformation since the 1980s.

 

[Greenman]

Still shaking my head at those two stereotypical black women speaking at his rally. They were so fucking loud. The short one with the the streotypical black haircut gave me a headache....she was basically the other one's hype-man. Jesus.....like, that was the ultimate shuck and jive.

"He gon' build dat wahll!!!"


....fuck. Wish I could unzip out of this skin sometimes.

There's plenty of well spoken black republicans out there...and they get these two up there to do a little dance.

I hear you, but if it were a well spoken black gentleman speaking on Trumps behalf, a bunch of people would call him a sellout and an uncle tom.
Somewhere along the line it's been decided that blacks vote democrat, and the few that choose to jump ship take a lot of flack for it.

Back on topic, I don't buy that Trump is the the racists old white guy candidate. He's the anti PC candidate, he's the guy who's not afraid to say what he's really thinking. It's refreshing. He's popular because he's the black sheep, the candidate that has both party's up in arms.
That said, he doesn't have a prayer of being elected, he won't mouth the appropriate platitudes, or pretend he gives a shit about the poor.

 

[Jaskalas]

This.

Many of these old white males DT fanboys you speak of are filled with anger and hatred. They have been very unsuccessful in their lifelong attempts to indoctrinate their children with the hateful racism and bigotry that drips out of their every pore. They are scared that their hate genes could not be handed down, even when trying to rule with an iron fist. Their kids now hate them and they know that their kind is slowly, but ultimately... dying off. These are the people that you see on Facebook comments sections that are "Retired" and attended "the School of Hard Knocks". Good riddance...

Damn... so DT is the last flickering flame of a generation?