Donald Trump releases his birth certificate, demands Obama does the same

[Matt1970]

Again, if you doubt Obama's citizenship, you're dumb.

Period.

Oh you wish it were that simple.

 

[fskimospy]

I dunno is he joking about hiding his birth certificate?

No, he's not hiding it. I figured from your responses that you were a birther, now that appears clear. If the piles and piles of evidence from every conceivable source across sources and across party lines is unable to convince you, nothing I say will.

If you truly are a birther you are blinded by either partisanship or stupidity and there's nothing more to say about it.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh you wish it were that simple.

Ahahaha! Another birther found! Any more people want to expose their stupidity?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Oh you wish it were that simple.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It could just as easily be mental disability, cognitive dissonance or extreme gullibility.

 

[Matt1970]

No, he's not hiding it.

Really? Lets see it. Oh that's right, we haven't.

 

[fskimospy]

Really? Lets see it. Oh that's right, we haven't.

You're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[Carmen813]

John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. I wonder why birthers never talk about that.

 

[soundforbjt]

John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. I wonder why birthers never talk about that.

He's not brown & Democrat.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No, he's not hiding it. I figured from your responses that you were a birther, now that appears clear. If the piles and piles of evidence from every conceivable source across sources and across party lines is unable to convince you, nothing I say will.

If you truly are a birther you are blinded by either partisanship or stupidity and there's nothing more to say about it.

The evidence I saw(not talking about legal requirements, I know he met those) are:

1) certificate of live birth (legally equivalent is document != identical document)

2) A newspaper clipping (which is real but anyone with 15 dollars can put an announcement in the paper so doesn't prove much )

3) Testimony from the governor of Hawaii ( assuming the testimony is authentic, then their should be a birth certificate so lets see it)

 

[fskimospy]

The evidence I saw(not talking about legal requirements, I know he met those) are:

1) certificate of live birth

2) A newspaper clipping (which is real but anyone with 15 dollars can put an announcement in the paper so doesn't prove much )

3) Testimony from the governor of Hawaii ( assuming the testimony is authentic, then their should be a birth certificate so lets see it)

I will not be discussing this with you. Every single point you brought up has been thoroughly demolished on here probably 1-2 dozen times. Use the search function.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Oh you wish it were that simple.

It is simple. An official State of HI birth certificate was provided. Nobody is causing a stink about except ignorant crazy people.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It is simple. An official State of HI birth certificate was provided. Nobody is causing a stink about except ignorant crazy people.

what was provided was not an official birth certificate it was a certificate of live birth. There are differences. an important one being the 2008 issued COLB is computer generated unsigned and can be cranked out by the millions. a birth certificate is an original FIRST SOURCE document with signatures of people that were there at the time of birth.

plenty of examples of original birth certificates here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=birt...&sa=X&ei=wNqdTYiUGJGYOrTHsaUE&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ

notice the features of hand written information and signatures of actual witnesses vs. computer generated rubber stamped copy

nice example of an original hawaii:

http://getaneyeful.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Do you not see the difference? The one he presented doesn't even say what hospital he was born in or who pledged to the authenticity he was born there

 

[GuitarDaddy]

John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. I wonder why birthers never talk about that.

Or the fact that GWB was born in China while his father was in the embassy there.

 

[umbrella39]

Really? Lets see it. Oh that's right, we haven't.

Oh we've seen tons of crazy in this thread alone. The sad part is you think you are the sane one. Grow up.

 

[her209]

what was provided was not an official birth certificate it was a certificate of live birth. There are differences. an important one being the 2008 issued COLB is computer generated unsigned and can be cranked out by the millions. a birth certificate is an original FIRST SOURCE document with signatures of people that were there at the time of birth.

plenty of examples of original birth certificates here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=birt...&sa=X&ei=wNqdTYiUGJGYOrTHsaUE&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ

notice the features of hand written information and signatures of actual witnesses vs. computer generated rubber stamped copy

nice example of an original hawaii:

http://getaneyeful.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Do you not see the difference? The one he presented doesn't even say what hospital he was born in or who pledged to the authenticity he was born there

That Certificate of Live Birth that you linked to looks like it wasn't computer generated and clearly has signatures although redacted.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

That Certificate of Live Birth that you linked to looks like it wasn't computer generated and clearly has signatures although redacted.

DING DING DING! exactly. That isn't BO original obviously, some other guy born in 1963 in Hawaii. As we know BO was born in 61

also contains hospital name. Parent's ages. and of course 3 signatures.

 

[Capt Caveman]

what was provided was not an official birth certificate it was a certificate of live birth. There are differences. an important one being the 2008 issued COLB is computer generated unsigned and can be cranked out by the millions. a birth certificate is an original FIRST SOURCE document with signatures of people that were there at the time of birth.

plenty of examples of original birth certificates here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=birt...&sa=X&ei=wNqdTYiUGJGYOrTHsaUE&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ

notice the features of hand written information and signatures of actual witnesses vs. computer generated rubber stamped copy

nice example of an original hawaii:

http://getaneyeful.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Do you not see the difference? The one he presented doesn't even say what hospital he was born in or who pledged to the authenticity he was born there

I think I already mentioned this, fly to HI, to the Vital Records and ask anyone coming out with a copy of their birth certificate and tell us if it's any different than the one that Obama has shown us.

Again, the only people that can't seem to understand and are still in a fuss about this are crazy people. THE GOP is not bitching about it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Also interestingly from the debunk on http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

"In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A

I think its a foolish assertion that the only reason for putting the announcement in paper to prove citizen ship in order to run for president. Other obvious and far more feasible:

1) family wanted him to be a citizen to give him the opportunities they never had as immigrants

2) enable an easier path for them to become naturalized citizens through him.

Both far more likely than the foresight he might be president.

Also I find it more than peculiar this website doesn't show what an original 1960's hawaii birth certificate look like. They just verify the authenticity of the 2008 issue. You are really nuts if you don't think that came from the government of hawaii.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I think I already mentioned this, fly to HI, to the Vital Records and ask anyone coming out with a copy of their birth certificate and tell us if it's any different than the one that Obama has shown us.

Again, the only people that can't seem to understand and are still in a fuss about this are crazy people. THE GOP is not bitching about it.

As I've said, I'm not nor have I ever claimed the 2008 document wasn't issued by Hawaii.

I just proved above though the documents are legally equivalent, the original birth certificate and what you get today when you ask for record of birth are no where near identical. How can you keep avoiding that fact?

Some of whats Whats missing:

1) hospital born in
2) time of birth
3) ages of parents
4) father occupation
5) signatures of parent or other informant, attendant(witness), local registrar

 

[Matt1970]

I think I already mentioned this, fly to HI, to the Vital Records and ask anyone coming out with a copy of their birth certificate and tell us if it's any different than the one that Obama has shown us.

Again, the only people that can't seem to understand and are still in a fuss about this are crazy people. THE GOP is not bitching about it.

The ones coming out of Hawaii will have a Department Of Health embossed seal.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The ones coming out of Hawaii will have a Department Of Health embossed seal.

now even I know the 2008 document is legit. Come on dude. Get some perspective here.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

what was provided was not an official birth certificate it was a certificate of live birth. There are differences. an important one being the 2008 issued COLB is computer generated unsigned and can be cranked out by the millions. a birth certificate is an original FIRST SOURCE document with signatures of people that were there at the time of birth.

plenty of examples of original birth certificates here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=birt...&sa=X&ei=wNqdTYiUGJGYOrTHsaUE&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ

notice the features of hand written information and signatures of actual witnesses vs. computer generated rubber stamped copy

nice example of an original hawaii:

http://getaneyeful.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Do you not see the difference? The one he presented doesn't even say what hospital he was born in or who pledged to the authenticity he was born there

this is correct.

 

[her209]

DING DING DING! exactly. That isn't BO original obviously, some other guy born in 1963 in Hawaii. As we know BO was born in 61

also contains hospital name. Parent's ages. and of course 3 signatures.

I just think its weird that you're accepting this as an original without question because it has signatures on it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I just think its weird that you're accepting this as an original without question because it has signatures on it.

 

[Matt1970]

now even I know the 2008 document is legit. Come on dude. Get some perspective here.

To my knowledge nobody had identified this seal.