Donald Trump has lost his mind

[Subyman]

It's kind of funny - when the shooting occurred in Orlando, people were posting on this forum that Trump just won that state. Trump took the anti-Muslim stance, Hillary took the stricter gun control regulations stance, you know, the one that the majority of Americans favor, but hasn't happened because NRA? I don't think Florida hurt Hillary - I think it hurt Trump, and now he's reacting to it to try to regain lost ground.

All it took was simple thinking for the public - "wait. So this guy's family emigrated to the United States while Saint Reagan was in office?" "So, these terrorists were born in the United States - they're not guys who came over here?"

Sept 11, 2001, the World Trade Center was demolished. The Pentagon was attacked. Thousands of people lost their lives. If in 2002, you rubbed a crystal ball and said, "I see an average of 7.2 people a year dying at the hands of terrorists carrying out their terrorism in the name of a Middle East organization over the next 15 years" You'd have been laughed at for being so optimistic. Yet, the number is 7.2 When you realize that's how insignificant the problem really is, listen to Trump's rhetoric, look what Hillary's asking for, realize that a majority of Americans support increased regulations of firearms, particularly in regard to background checks... Trump chose his side wrong and is backpedaling.

I tend to agree. When I was first told of the massacre by a family member I thought Trump was going to get a bump, but the details of this shooting certainly helped Clinton. In fact, Trump put his foot in his mouth by boasting about the massacre just moments after it happened. Then he stepped on his base by suggesting taking guns away without due process. Then he looked like an idiot to the gay community with the ask the gays. Finally the GOP has been dropping away from him like flies and he focused on attacking his own party instead of turning to Clinton.

He's the worst politician I've ever seen in my life get this far in the election.

 

[zinfamous]

Looking at your previous post, the word irony immediately comes to mind.

It is chuckleable, that's for sure.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump actually said "ask the gays"?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trump actually said "ask the gays"?

And they answered him very loudly and clearly... in fabulous fashion.

 

[Subyman]

Trump actually said "ask the gays"?

Yup and the response was hilarious

“Ask the gays what they think and what they do in not only Saudi Arabia, but many of these countries, and then you tell me who’s your friend: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?” Trump said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...to-ask-the-gays-who-would-be-a-good-president

Twitter put him in his place quickly lol

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

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He's the worst politician I've ever seen in my life get this far in the election.

I agree wholeheartedly. And GOP

You definitely did.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Naturally you come in with that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck-ted-kennedy-and-no-fly-list-myth/77030278/

And naturally you try and deflect. It's a fact, he was indeed flagged. But due to his status, the matter was cleared up rather quickly. For mere common citizens like you, and I, --- not so much.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Looking at your previous post, the word irony immediately comes to mind.

Please explain your correlation without rancor.

 

[zinfamous]

Yup and the response was hilarious



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...to-ask-the-gays-who-would-be-a-good-president

Twitter put him in his place quickly lol

lol. "Ask the Gays" is the new "I'm sitting in a tank!"

 

[jackstar7]

And naturally you try and deflect. It's a fact, he was indeed flagged. But due to his status, the matter was cleared up rather quickly. For mere common citizens like you, and I, --- not so much.

You don't know what a deflection is either. That's fun.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

man an armed country is a cool country as far as im concerned

yea, guns are cool, just so cool

 

[runzwithsizorz]

You don't know what a deflection is either. That's fun.

Deflection part two. The debate is wither the government can, should, has, set up a bureaucracy that can arbitrarily deny certain constitutional rights, with little oversight, or recourse for those accused.
BTW, you are talking/debating a 62 year old army vet. So for you to tell me what I know, or don't is a hopeful assumption.

 

[shady28]

Why are people assuming being on a no-fly or terrorist watch list means never getting a gun vs a delay. Just pay a visit to local fed law enforcement office and get your case adjudicated.

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Which turns the concept of innocent until proven guilty on its head. It's the accusers job to prove, not the accused.

Perhaps we should have a list of media corporations (since they are 'people' in the eyes of the law) who do not have freedom of press until they prove they aren't bad 'people'.

Next lets have a list of people who don't have a right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' and throw them in a gulag until they prove they're nice.

How far you want to go with that?

 

[jackstar7]

Deflection part two. The debate is wither the government can, should, has, set up a bureaucracy that can arbitrarily deny certain constitutional rights, with little oversight, or recourse for those accused.
BTW, you are talking/debating a 62 year old army vet. So for you to tell me what I know, or don't is a hopeful assumption.

I can only go by what you tell me here, and even then, it's silly on my part not to be dubious of any claims you make. This is the internet. Been here long?

You came in stating something was true that was not true. I provided the evidence that showed it was not true and you called that a deflection. What it was was a rebuttal. That's why I told you that you don't know what a deflection is.

And if you think I support a secret list that strips rights from people you'd be wrong. I do support factual, evidence-based arguments though.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Which turns the concept of innocent until proven guilty on its head. It's the accusers job to prove, not the accused.

Perhaps we should have a list of media corporations (since they are 'people' in the eyes of the law) who do not have freedom of press until they prove they aren't bad 'people'.

Next lets have a list of people who don't have a right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' and throw them in a gulag until they prove they're nice.

How far you want to go with that?

You don't post much (looking at your stats) but when you do it seems you're dead on.

Best post of the thread.:thumbsup:

 

[MongGrel]

Which turns the concept of innocent until proven guilty on its head. It's the accusers job to prove, not the accused.

Perhaps we should have a list of media corporations (since they are 'people' in the eyes of the law) who do not have freedom of press until they prove they aren't bad 'people'.

Next lets have a list of people who don't have a right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' and throw them in a gulag until they prove they're nice.

How far you want to go with that?

Some people seem to have that in mind.

http://reason.com/archives/2016/06/16/how-not-to-fight-islamic-terrorism

 

[poohbear]

"The No Fly List is used not merely to combat terrorism, but also to halt the travel of some registered sex offenders and people convicted (or in some cases just suspected) of trafficking in illegal narcotics."

Oooh so it's not just Muslims on the no fly list.

 

[Subyman]

Deflection part two. The debate is wither the government can, should, has, set up a bureaucracy that can arbitrarily deny certain constitutional rights, with little oversight, or recourse for those accused.
BTW, you are talking/debating a 62 year old army vet. So for you to tell me what I know, or don't is a hopeful assumption.

The bill that went before the Senate and failed had recourse provisions, it even had due process IF the list affected someone trying to buy a gun. There was an appeals process and suggestions for completely reformatting the watch list. Then it died because the NRA would run negative ads on anyone that didn't tow the line. Pretty sad.

Maybe someone should start the AANRA (Americans Against the National Rifle Association) and get the memberships going. NRA only has roughly 4 million members. Couldn't be that hard to get the 90% of Americans that want expanded background checks to join.

 

[Subyman]

"The No Fly List is used not merely to combat terrorism, but also to halt the travel of some registered sex offenders and people convicted (or in some cases just suspected) of trafficking in illegal narcotics."

Oooh so it's not just Muslims on the no fly list.

"Think of the sex offenders!!!"

-Republicans on guns