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DOJ rape study debunks 1-in-5.

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DrDoug said:
Since everyone else is doing a great job in schooling you on the numbers, how about this:

You state the 1-in-160 number as if it proves some point that you want to make. If your sister was the one in 160 in that statistic, how would you feel? What if it was a niece? Good friend? Girlfriend? Ex-girlfriend? A neighbor you grew up with?

Quit arguing about the numbers because the only point that needs to be made is that one rape is too much.

Some men rape, it's reality. You should be focusing on that.
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Heck, who cares if it is someone close to him or not? Why is it so hard for people to humanize HUMAN BEINGS?

It is disgusting that some people would apparently tolerate some amount of rape.
 
jackstar7 said:
Heck, who cares if it is someone close to him or not? Why is it so hard for people to humanize HUMAN BEINGS?

It is disgusting that some people would apparently tolerate some amount of rape.
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I asked the question because some men seem to have a problem understanding sexual assault/rape statistics so I wanted to see what his response would be if the 'statistic' were closer to home.

I wanted to see if he could see the forest and not just the trees.
 
Atreus21 said:
Well that's just great. So now we have to determine which definition set each organization is using, and then nitpick over the merits of each.

For God's sake. Trying to (honestly) win an argument on the internet is a full time job unto itself.
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You don't have to do any of that, you can just accept that the numbers aren't directly comparable and so they aren't contradicting each other. They exist for different purposes: one is looking at offenses you might prosecute, one is looking at a broader spectrum of them. That's ok!
 
If the 1 in 5 statistic was to be believed, an incident had to happen about every second on US college campuses.
 
Bitek said:
Ditto. I don't understand the direction he's trying to go in.
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Well his OP had convinced me the 1 in 5 was reportedly false. Upon further review that doesn't seem to be the case, but the intent of the OP is clear. To report additional data indicating that the original statistic is not true.

It really is that simple. Just because it turned out to be wrong doesn't mean it has another meaning. Got nothing to do with "acceptable levels".
 
If women can't consent when intoxicated then it's probably something like 1 in 4 women. 1 in 4? Haven't looked at the alcohol consumption data. Stop all this rape, guys.
 
Moonbeam said:
Meanwhile, they will pass their screwed up fear of the sexual nature of women onto their kids, creating boys full of lust without sympathy who will objectify women and girls who will report sex as rape rather than experience shame when exposed.
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You just objectified women right there in that sentence, as part of the predicate. So did I, just now. Sorry, women.
 
CLite said:
Are you daft? The 6.1 per 1000 is every year. Carry that over a lot of years and eventually you can have 1 in 5 woman over a life time experience rape. There can be overlap with woman getting raped multiple times, and I have no idea how the 1 in 5 was concocted but comparing a lifetime chance to a yearly rate is stupid.
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I don't think guys understand how often women are harassed. Even if 99% of men are great people, that leaves 1% being sketchy as hell. I wouldn't say 1 in 5 have been raped, but at least 4 in 5 have been sexually assaulted.
The solution to the problem is not more government since that would just open the door for baseless accusations, lots of innocent men would be destroyed, and people would doubt legitimate claims of sexual assault. The solution is martial arts for women. A guy grabbing asses should have a very high probability of being choked or knocked out. Men who don't know when to fuck off are generally stupid, so it would be quite easy to get one in a rear naked choke:
rear naked choke

What people don't realize is that a correctly done choke hold isn't cutting off air. It's cutting off blood. You can hold your breath for half a minute, but cutting off blood makes a person black out almost immediately.
 
brycejones said:
Did you neglect to read the entire thread where it was pointed out that 1 in 5 refers to the lifetime rate of rape?
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If you pay attention to the news you'll repeatedly hear that 1 in 5 women on college campuses will be raped.

That's the statistic that justifies the removal of due process by universities and the standard of 'preponderance of evidence' to be used.

I can't sit here as say that rape isn't bad because that would be duplicitous. However, accurate statistics will show where you were, where you currently are, and where you want to be. Statistics can help shape the policies needed to make goals reachable.
 
justoh said:
If women can't consent when intoxicated then it's probably something like 1 in 4 women. 1 in 4? Haven't looked at the alcohol consumption data. Stop all this rape, guys.
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Then they shouldn't be held responsible if they get pulled over by the police or in an accident while intoxicated.
 
Spungo said:
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I don't think guys understand how often women are harassed. Even if 99% of men are great people, that leaves 1% being sketchy as hell. I wouldn't say 1 in 5 have been raped, but at least 4 in 5 have been sexually assaulted.
The solution to the problem is not more government since that would just open the door for baseless accusations, lots of innocent men would be destroyed, and people would doubt legitimate claims of sexual assault. The solution is martial arts for women. A guy grabbing asses should have a very high probability of being choked or knocked out. Men who don't know when to fuck off are generally stupid, so it would be quite easy to get one in a rear naked choke:
rear naked choke

What people don't realize is that a correctly done choke hold isn't cutting off air. It's cutting off blood. You can hold your breath for half a minute, but cutting off blood makes a person black out almost immediately.
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It's important to note that the 1 in 5 figure is rape and sexual assault together.
 
Jodell88 said:
If the 1 in 5 statistic was to be believed, an incident had to happen about every second on US college campuses.
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There are approximately 150 million Americans females. If 1 in 5 will be raped over their average 80-year lifetimes, that means ((150/5)/80 = 0.375 million rapes a year to reach that result.

Not all rapes occur on college campuses. In fact, the study shows that non-student females are raped at higher rates than student females of the same age. And student-females are college students for only about six years of their lives. Plus, we know from the study that women outside the 18-24 age range are raped at about one-half the rate of those 18-24.

For college-student females, there's a cumulative 6x6.1/1000 = 36.6/1000 rape incidence. For college-student females either before or after college, there's a cumulative 74*3.05/1000 = 225.7/1000 rape incidence==> more than six times as many 1-17 and 25+ females who will be/were college students are raped each year than college-age students. And if we assume that only about half of all women attend college (and since non-student females are raped more frequently than student females), at most 1 in 14 (about 7%) rapes are rapes of college students. (We'll assume that all of the student-female rapes occur on (or associated with) campus.)

Summing it all up: About 1 in 14 of the needed 375,000 yearly rapes occur on college campuses; that's a total of about 27,000. And since there's approximately 31.5 million seconds in a year, the required frequency of campus rapes is 31.5 million/27,000 = one rape every 1167 seconds.

So your one-rape-per-second estimate for college campuses is a wild exaggeration.
 
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This is why feminists WANT "rape" to be so loosely defined... improve the stats, then cry salty tears because they're victims of a RAPE CULTURE!!

...except there isn't one. Liars.
 
shortylickens said:
I'll check with my statistics professor but I'm betting he'll say none of this is good data.
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If you check with your statistics professor, no real-world data, especially concerning human behaviour will be good data.

Meanwhile, your economics and sociology professors will talk intelligently about how to make best use of the flawed data that are available.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
So your contention is that we should... punish victims? I mean, OK, but that seems unnecessarily cruel.
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The problem is when wymmyn/feminists cry and claim victimhood status when not victims, or are even the perpetrator!

scenario:

Two slightly tipsy but in-control people flirt and engage in sex
she gives enthusiastic consent before, during, and after.
A week later she regrets the decision and calls it "rape".

She is above reproach, because to question her in any way on the events or logic is now "victim blaming" - despite the fact she's not at all a victim.
 
Blue_Max said:
The problem is when wymmyn/feminists cry and claim victimhood status when not victims, or are even the perpetrator!

scenario:

Two slightly tipsy but in-control people flirt and engage in sex
she gives enthusiastic consent before, during, and after.
A week later she regrets the decision and calls it "rape".

She is above reproach, because to question her in any way on the events or logic is now "victim blaming" - despite the fact she's not at all a victim.
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Is that something that you've witnessed? Or a narrative you've subscribed to?

Or are you projecting and that's what you would do in that scenario?
 
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