DOJ: No misconduct by Woo or Bybee

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TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35487219/ns/politics-white_house/

WASHINGTON - Two Bush administration lawyers who authorized harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects used poor judgment but will not face punishment, the U.S. Justice Department said on Friday in summarizing a lengthy ethics report.

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Poor judgement?

Poor judgment "differs from professional misconduct in that an attorney may act inappropriately and thus exhibit poor judgment even though he or she may not have violated or acted in reckless disregard of a clear obligation or standard," the letter said.
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What a load of subjective baloney. Either they were legally in the wrong, or they weren't. "Poor judgement" sounds like nothing more than a political handjob to counter the fact that they couldn't find a way to legally bring charges against either man.
 
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jackschmittusa

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An in-depth analysis showed that they ignored existing law, multiple precedents, and misrepresented terms when offering their interpretations. Lies of both omission and commission used to render a legal opinion manufactured to meet predetermined parameters.

Should be disbarred at the least, preferably tried and convicted.
 
fallout man

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TastesLikeChicken said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35487219/ns/politics-white_house/

What a load of subjective baloney. Either they were legally in the wrong, or they weren't. "Poor judgement" sounds like nothing more than a political handjob to counter the fact that they couldn't find a way to legally bring charges against either man.
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I'm not surprised, and I'm equally disappointed. Welcome to post-9/11 America--and it's all George W. Bush's fault.

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Once we allow sleazy yellow (cowardly) lawyers to "lawyer-away" basic rights, everything goes down-hill from that point.

Why aren't the tea-baggers getting all pissed-off about this?
 
TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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UberNeuman

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TastesLikeChicken said:
I had no problem with that when Bush did it and I have no problem when Obama does it. We would have been better off killing these guys on the battlefield instead of capturing them and sending them to Gitmo.
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You're never going to 'git 'em all.'

/no matter how many are killed...
 
TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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UberNeuman said:
You're never going to 'git 'em all.'

/no matter how many are killed...
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You're never gonna kill every roach either but you at least want to get the ones that might enter your house.

Unfortunately there's no such thing as terrorist spray. If only it was that simple.
 
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Jhhnn

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TastesLikeChicken said:
I had no problem with that when Bush did it and I have no problem when Obama does it. We would have been better off killing these guys on the battlefield instead of capturing them and sending them to Gitmo.
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Does what? This thread isn't about detention, but rather "harsh interrogation methods", basically torture. If you have any evidence that the Obama Admin has employed such methods, link up or shut up.
 
Hacp

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TastesLikeChicken said:
You're never gonna kill every roach either but you at least want to get the ones that might enter your house.

Unfortunately there's no such thing as terrorist spray. If only it was that simple.
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Well there is the nuke.. but we aren't allowed to use that.
 
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Craig234

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fallout man said:
I'm not surprised, and I'm equally disappointed. Welcome to post-9/11 America--and it's all George W. Bush's fault.

picard.jpg


Once we allow sleazy yellow (cowardly) lawyers to "lawyer-away" basic rights, everything goes down-hill from that point.

Why aren't the tea-baggers getting all pissed-off about this?
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Because it's more complicated than crayons can deal with, and their masters didn't tell them to. When's the last time Beck or Palin took the position against these policies?
 
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I know it's a fine line between misconduct and poor judgment, but if you read what these guys did and how they went about it, I don't see how any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that it wasn't misconduct. They ignored the law. They started with a position and then used contorted logic to support it for political reasons, with no legal backing at all.

Smells to me like one administration not wanting to open that can o' worms any further. They just want to put this thing behind us and move on, which makes some sense, but I would have preferred to see these guys punished for what they did. They probably did more harm to the country than any terrorist has ever done. :(
 
kage69

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Bybee and Yoo should be behind bars. I don't support Obama in his desire to just move on and forget the whole thing. We keep making excuses for this kind of abuse and it will continue to happen.
 
Hacp

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Why shouldn't we be torturing these terrorists until they spill everything? They want to destroy America. I hope we aren't giving them hot meals, that would be unacceptable.
 
TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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Jhhnn said:
Does what? This thread isn't about detention, but rather "harsh interrogation methods", basically torture. If you have any evidence that the Obama Admin has employed such methods, link up or shut up.
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This thread is about the DOJ finding no misconduct by Woo or Bybee. You can try to divert it to being about TORTURE! but you'd be wrong, Jhhhn, since no such charges have been brought against either man.

And to explain it further, I was stating that I have no problem with either Bush or Obama issuing orders that allow us to assasinate these guys on the battlefield or whereever. If we simply kill them instead there won't be any need for detention or torture. Comprende?
 
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Double Trouble said:
I know it's a fine line between misconduct and poor judgment, but if you read what these guys did and how they went about it, I don't see how any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that it wasn't misconduct. They ignored the law. They started with a position and then used contorted logic to support it for political reasons, with no legal backing at all.

Smells to me like one administration not wanting to open that can o' worms any further. They just want to put this thing behind us and move on, which makes some sense, but I would have preferred to see these guys punished for what they did. They probably did more harm to the country than any terrorist has ever done. :(
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All of this, but especially the bolded.

Hey, Chickie. Your thread title is bullshit propaganda. Plain and Simple.

Woo or Bybee were not charged with a criminal offense, (should have been) AND were guilty of serious ethical violations.

Ergo ...

Chickie: Just Another Hypocritical Law and Order Con







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TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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heyheybooboo said:
All of this, but especially the bolded.

Hey, Chickie. Your thread title is bullshit propaganda. Plain and Simple.

Woo or Bybee were not charged with a criminal offense, (should have been) AND were guilty of serious ethical violations.

Ergo ...

Chickie: Just Another Hypocritical Law and Order Con







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Heyboobie. Click on the link in the OP. You'll note that the headline is:

U.S.: No misconduct by interrogation lawyers

Go complain to MSNBC that they are spreading "bullshit propaganda."

btw, your opinion is not law, it's merely your own opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...
 
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Hacp said:
Why shouldn't we be torturing these terrorists until they spill everything? They want to destroy America. I hope we aren't giving them hot meals, that would be unacceptable.
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The reason is obvious except to worthless pieces of shit like you and for obvious reasons. If every American were the same immoral garbage you are, it would make no difference who won this war of terror. In victory or defeat the same level of slime would prevail.
 
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Moonbeam

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TastesLikeChicken said:
This thread is about the DOJ finding no misconduct by Woo or Bybee. You can try to divert it to being about TORTURE! but you'd be wrong, Jhhhn, since no such charges have been brought against either man.

And to explain it further, I was stating that I have no problem with either Bush or Obama issuing orders that allow us to assasinate these guys on the battlefield or whereever. If we simply kill them instead there won't be any need for detention or torture. Comprende?
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Another moral leper. If we just kill them we will be them.
 
Lemon law

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As TLC says in his opening post, poor judgment or criminal behavior.

If nothing else, maybe its time to realize that these two men, highly overpaid at that, wasted an inordinate amount of the taxpayers money advocating something clearly against all domestic and international law.

If they did it on their own time and not on the taxpayers dime, it might fall under the category of free speech, but since it was on the taxpayers dime, they should have been summarily fired on the basis of incompetence and wasting the taxpayers money.
 
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