DOJ finally moves on voter restriction laws:

[Jhhnn]

irrc, the fairness and security of elections isn't in the constitution. Congress had to pass laws saying that they want fair federal election.

That doesn't justify the GOP trying to get around the idea.

 

[DaaQ]

Because Biden is directing them to do so. It's his top priority and so much for the DOJ being independent. Maybe Hunter Biden's ex-partner can help the DOJ out because having one guy connected to Hunter wasn't enough.

You find any polyps in that colon yet?

 

[DaaQ]

There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.

This election security thing has been a "thing" since the Kenyan Muslim was elected, was that 2008?

Why then has it still not been proven yet by GOP committee investigation after committee investigation, have they come up with no evidence?? WHY?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This election security thing has been a "thing" since the Kenyan Muslim was elected, was that 2008?

Why then has it still not been proven yet by GOP committee investigation after committee investigation, have they come up with no evidence?? WHY?

Or why did the Former Presidents 40-something lawsuits not present ANY evidence.

Is the Former President really, really bad at hiring lawyers?

Is the former President so incompetent he doesn’t have any evidence?

Is there no wide spread voter fraud to be found?

Has to be one which one is it Deplorables.

 

[Pohemi]

The states have a right to set election rules. Along with GA, TX is also attempting common sense voting reform to make them more free and fair and to ensure that people cannot vote more than once.

Anyone who opposes common sense voting reforms is simply reactionary and uniformed.

What about the purges from the voter rolls... that sit OK with you?
This is an obvious ANTI democratic power grab by the Trump Party. You get that right?

Half the thread is people quoting this dumb fuck and asking him questions as if he'll bother answering at some point...

@IronWing had the proper and correct response:

Fuck off, traitor.

 

[nickqt]

Half the thread is people quoting this dumb fuck and asking him questions as if he'll bother answering at some point...

@IronWing had the proper and correct response:

Pointing and laughing works too, at least with the frustration part.

Attempting to get any of the right-wing authoritarians to think is a lost cause. A lot of money and time has been spent making them reprogrammable meatbags who think they've won an argument if their fantasy of making a liberal cry was successful.

 

[esquared]

Half the thread is people quoting this dumb fuck and asking him questions as if he'll bother answering at some point...

@IronWing had the proper and correct response:

Pavel is a ruskie troll and I don't know why people still respond to him.

 

[Vic]

irrc, the fairness and security of elections isn't in the constitution. Congress had to pass laws saying that they want fair federal election.

Large portions of the Constitution are dedicated to the electoral process, including Article I Sections 2 and 3, and Article II Section 1. And while the actual handling of the elections is rightly controlled by the States, Article IV Section can certainly be interpreted to that the federal govt has the power to ensure the fairness and security of the elections.
Also, in response to your last sentence, any power given to the govt by the Constitution must be enacted through legislation, as the Constitution does not make or pass laws, but informs the govt of its ability (or inability) to do so. For example, while the 18th amendment made Prohibition possible, that only became law through the Volstead Act.

 

[HomerJS]

Do you guys see what he did there? That’s what righties do, they frame it as common sense so you don’t even bother thinking about it. But it only takes along one little question to see through their bull shit; is voter fraud an issue? Of course righties like the traitor Felix and taj don’t bother questioning things when the claims come from their own, in fact not only do they not question the claims made by their preferred party but there willfully parrot their talking points.


Of course democrat politicians fall for their trap every time and compromise on things to address issues that don’t exist.

Making laws based on a lie isn't common sense

 

[Lanyap]

Do you think the dead have a right to vote?

You would have to ask all of those republicans who got caught voting using their deceased wife’s, mother’s and father’s mail in ballots to vote for trump.

 

[Lanyap]

There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.

I seem to remember trump constantly complaining about mail in ballots except when he back pedaled for Florida who he said did a good job with mail in ballots because they have been doing it for so long. That being the case can you explain why Florida is creating new, more restrictive, voting laws to combat mail in voter fraud that doesn’t exist?

A look at the changes in Florida's election laws

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a 48-page elections bill Thursday that, despite boasts of a flawless 2020 election, creates many significant changes in the state’s election laws.

apnews.com

 

[sportage]

I'm not that happy with Merrick Garland, and I'm kinda glad he did not get on the US Supreme Court. Obama picked Garland only because Obama thought that republicans could stomach Garland more so over a more liberal nomination, but I'd bet that Obama was not exactly thrilled with picking Merrick Garland as a nominee. Obama just felt he had to.

Everything is so screwed up that even posting and engaging in P&N seems pointless these days. What should seem as obvious, like addressing infrastructure and addressing voter suppression and squashing out all of the conspiracies and squashing out the QAnon's and denouncing the January 6th insurrection, all of that America can't even agree on. It is like some twilight zone we're living in. And with all the craziness, Trump is back campaigning in Ohio. How does THAT even happen when Trump should be locked up in jail? Of better yet, do what they did to traitors against the union back in the days of Lincoln.... HANG Donald Trump. Hang the traitor, the Russian operative, the destroyer of democracy, the Putin puppet, hang him in the town square like any other civilized society would do to someone that committed crimes against America and against humanity. But no.... Trump is back on the campaign trail giving his BS hate speeches and stirring up the simple minded, his base, as Mitch McConnell rules the country. What was the point of the last election anyway? Go figure.

 

[nickqt]

I'm not that happy with Merrick Garland, and I'm kinda glad he did not get on the US Supreme Court. Obama picked Garland only because Obama thought that republicans could stomach Garland more so over a more liberal nomination, but I'd bet that Obama was not exactly thrilled with picking Merrick Garland as a nominee. Obama just felt he had to.

Everything is so screwed up that even posting and engaging in P&N seems pointless these days. What should seem as obvious, like addressing infrastructure and addressing voter suppression and squashing out all of the conspiracies and squashing out the QAnon's and denouncing the January 6th insurrection, all of that America can't even agree on. It is like some twilight zone we're living in. And with all the craziness, Trump is back campaigning in Ohio. How does THAT even happen when Trump should be locked up in jail? Of better yet, do what they did to traitors against the union back in the days of Lincoln.... HANG Donald Trump. Hang the traitor, the Russian operative, the destroyer of democracy, the Putin puppet, hang him in the town square like any other civilized society would do to someone that committed crimes against America and against humanity. But no.... Trump is back on the campaign trail giving his BS hate speeches and stirring up the simple minded, his base, as Mitch McConnell rules the country. What was the point of the last election anyway? Go figure.

You're describing Republicans smashing the structural supports of our society as they scream hysterically about how Democrats are smashing the structural supports of our society.

You're feeling the collapse of our society as the structural supports are just starting to buckle. It's very unsettling and hard to describe.

Get used to it.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You would have to ask all of those republicans who got caught voting using their deceased wife’s, mother’s and father’s mail in ballots to vote for trump.

As early as the 1970s I remember hearing stories of Democrats being up to shenanigans. Why do you think they insist on not having to provide proof of identify at polling places?

Anyway, I think one day we will all be required to provide bio-metric data (like a retina scan) in lieu of a document to prove our identity to make sure no one votes more than once. And guess which party will oppose that idea too....

 

[nickqt]

As early as the 1970s I remember hearing stories of Democrats being up to shenanigans. Why do you think they insist on not having to provide proof of identify at polling places?

Anyway, I think one day we will all be required to provide bio-metric data (like a retina scan) in lieu of a document to prove our identity to make sure no one votes more than once. And guess which party will oppose that idea too....

Liberal parody troll.

 

[Moonbeam]

As early as the 1970s I remember hearing stories of Democrats being up to shenanigans. Why do you think they insist on not having to provide proof of identify at polling places?

Anyway, I think one day we will all be required to provide bio-metric data (like a retina scan) in lieu of a document to prove our identity to make sure no one votes more than once. And guess which party will oppose that idea too....

I just heard you can't trust anything a Republican has ever said. Now that I have graciously informed you of that, well it just must be true fact, perhaps you can see now how you were completely fooled.

But the really big issue I can't wrap my mind around is why, where Trump lost, lots and lots of Republicans won. Why would those stupid liberals rig the election against Trump and let all those other assholes win?

And why are they only trying to recount ballots where Trump lost and not where he won? If you could rub two nickles together and get ten cents, you would be able to figure that out.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I just heard you can't trust anything a Republican has ever said. Now that I have graciously informed you of that, well it just must be true fact, perhaps you can see now how you were completely fooled.

But the really big issue I can't wrap my mind around is why, where Trump lost, lots and lots of Republicans won. Why would those stupid liberals rig the election against Trump and let all those other assholes win?

And why are they only trying to recount ballots where Trump lost and not where he won? If you could rub two nickles together and get ten cents, you would be able to figure that out.

I am not saying the Republicans are not without flaws, and I do not think that Trump had enough votes to win the election despite his claims otherwise. Not even the conservative Supreme Court believed it and turned away all cases challenging the election results.

This is the same conservative Supreme Court that all liberals "just knew" would install Trump despite the peoples will - but level headedly said no to that nonsense. (The same conservative SC that was supposed to overturn Obama Care too by the way, but did not).

 

[trenchfoot]

Or why did the Former Presidents 40-something lawsuit not present ANY evidence.

Is the Former President really, really bad at hiring lawyers?

Is the former President so incompetent he doesn’t have any evidence?

Is there no wide spread voter fraud to be found?

Has to be one which one is it Deplorables.

Evidence? They don't need no damn evidence when whatever they wish it to be true, they just shut their eyes, ears and mouths, click their heels together three times and whatever they wish for comes true because whatever they wish for is their truth. They just make shit up, declare it to be their version of the truth and nobody but nobody can tell them otherwise because if those nobodies tell them otherwise then the rule of double down triple down applies.

In that way they got it all covered. Of course as a last resort, the 'ol stick the fingers in the ears while repeating nyah-nyah-nah-nyah-nayh always comes in handy.

 

[trenchfoot]

dbl post

 

[Moonbeam]

I am not saying the Republicans are not without flaws, and I do not think that Trump had enough votes to win the election despite his claims otherwise. Not even the conservative Supreme Court believed it and turned away all cases challenging the election results.

This is the same conservative Supreme Court that all liberals "just knew" would install Trump despite the peoples will - but level headedly said no to that nonsense. (The same conservative SC that was supposed to overturn Obama Care too by the way, but did not).

Glad to hear you haven’t bought into the big lie. I can't agree, however, that all liberals knew the Supreme Court would install Trump despite the people's will. I find it hard to imagine them ever in a million years doing such a thing. The only way that that could ever have happen would be if some reason were to be invented by them, some legal fiction that Trump was the one who had gotten the 'will of the people', like they did when it was 5 to 4 Bush, even though Gore won. For that to have happened in Trump's favor no legal fiction could be found because the results were certified recount after recount by Democrat and Republican alike.

The only problem there was is that Trump is a narcissistic psychopath who couldn't and still can't accept the verdict of the American people he was unfit to lead. And why not. He has spent his whole life fucking other people in the name of his own selfishness, successfully. He's the worst kind of pig there is. Even the deaths of thousands of people from Corona-19 meant nothing to him because a pandemic reflected poorly on his capacity, non-existent, to lead. Trump is dangerously mentally ill and our system for that level of madness has no built in remedy when his psychosis is supported by other filled with envy of him.

He has a humongous case of the disease of ego, the product of an uncaring world that abandons any feeling for others in an intense struggle to survive. Anonymity and individualism create an amnesia we need each other to survive. Trump had a very sick father and passed along the disease. Trump ate his Daddy and made him proud. We create what we fear.

I should add that in the world of ego conservative principles make a great deal of sense. All projections from that world will tell you I am out to get you.

 

[zinfamous]

(The same conservative SC that was supposed to overturn Obama Care too by the way, but did not).

Why would a conservative court overturn a staunchly conservative healthcare policy developed by a longtime conservative thinktank?

 

[fskimospy]

Why would a conservative court overturn a staunchly conservative healthcare policy developed by a longtime conservative thinktank?

We should also remember that the first two cases were very close despite the Republican arguments against the ACA being meritless and the last one still attracted two Republican votes despite the legal theory behind it being that a $1 penalty for not having insurance is a constitutionally permissible burden but a $0 penalty is not.

 

[hal2kilo]

I am not saying the Republicans are not without flaws, and I do not think that Trump had enough votes to win the election despite his claims otherwise. Not even the conservative Supreme Court believed it and turned away all cases challenging the election results.

This is the same conservative Supreme Court that all liberals "just knew" would install Trump despite the peoples will - but level headedly said no to that nonsense. (The same conservative SC that was supposed to overturn Obama Care too by the way, but did not).

Too late. You've played your hand.

 

[HomerJS]

As early as the 1970s I remember hearing stories of Democrats being up to shenanigans. Why do you think they insist on not having to provide proof of identify at polling places?

Anyway, I think one day we will all be required to provide bio-metric data (like a retina scan) in lieu of a document to prove our identity to make sure no one votes more than once. And guess which party will oppose that idea too....

Tell you what I'll give you bio metric data scan to vote if the same scan is used for gun purchases and guns given as gifts.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Tell you what I'll give you bio metric data scan to vote if the same scan is used for gun purchases and guns given as gifts.

We are on the same page. Whatever keeps guns out of the wrong hands I support 100%!