DOJ finally moves on voter restriction laws:

Moonbeam

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I for one feel a great tension between the rate of we are moving to destroy our democracy and the speed that the wheels of justice turn. White knuckles time for liberals.
 

compuwiz1

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
 

BoomerD

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Funny about righties crying about "voter fraud" when most of the cases we heard about this last election were Trump supporters trying to scam the system.

" We KNOW voter fraud exists because WE committed it."
 

IronWing

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
A fascist fuck says, "Wha?"
 

trenchfoot

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What Roberts and Mcconnell and their conservative gaggle of Heritage Foundation owned and operated judges proved and exposed was how corrupted our Supreme Court has become.

Equal justice under the law? I scoff at how those hand picked conservative activist judges have crapped on that one cherished principle.
 

Moonbeam

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
They have to because of cultist idiot believers like you, gullible fools who, not overt racists themselves, can’t see the obvious racism behind these restrictive laws and buy into the ‘make electionsg secure’ utter bull shit. Your partisan blindness and conformational bias lead you to make assumptions that election security wise a real issue when in fact Trump is the only lying fuck that ever made it a pretend issue. You have been infected by his lust to win at ant cost including the efforts in conservative states to overthrow democracy. Wake the fuck up because you are on the side of sedition. You gullibility is a dangerous evil.
 

HomerJS

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
Did you know some of the old Jim Crow laws were "race neutral". All it takes is the slightest bit of clever to craft them. The poll tax was race neutral because "everyone had to pay them". However we all know the disparate effect so I won't explain the obvious.

Republicans are doing the same thing again. They craft changes that they KNOW will disproportionately effect minorities. That's why we had the pre clearance part of the Voting Rights Act until Roberts fucked it up. States with a history of racism had to get DOJ approval in advance so disparate effect could be analyzed.

That's why these changes are accurately portrayed as Jim Crow II
 

VW MAN

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
Currently where are elections not secure? be specific.
What were the expert opinions regarding the security evaluation of the 2020 election at the local, state and national levels?
Who has committed large scale voting fraud? small scale? What evidence to you have that shows either are an election security issue?
Why is it ok to put the final determination of federal elections results in the hands of partisan state legislatures? Has this practice been done in the past? What are the reasons for shifting away from bi-partisan to partisan election rules?
Why is it a problem to have easier access to polling places, drop boxes and/or mail in ballots?
If you want ID then the ID needs to be readily and easily and cheap or free to acquire, otherwise there is a potential of a 24th amendment violation, what is your proposed solution to this issue? (mine would be to add pictures to SS cards)
What is the reason for banning things like giving food and water to people waiting in long lines at polling places?
 

brycejones

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
Someone will be around to change your man diaper soon.
 

m8d

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
AmeriKKKa has the nerve to tell other countries to have fair and free elections. When it doesn't practice what it preaches. AmeriKKKa contradicts itself in so many ways.
 

iRONic

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Currently where are elections not secure? be specific.
What were the expert opinions regarding the security evaluation of the 2020 election at the local, state and national levels?
Who has committed large scale voting fraud? small scale? What evidence to you have that shows either are an election security issue?
Why is it ok to put the final determination of federal elections results in the hands of partisan state legislatures? Has this practice been done in the past? What are the reasons for shifting away from bi-partisan to partisan election rules?
Why is it a problem to have easier access to polling places, drop boxes and/or mail in ballots?
If you want ID then the ID needs to be readily and easily and cheap or free to acquire, otherwise there is a potential of a 24th amendment violation, what is your proposed solution to this issue? (mine would be to add pictures to SS cards)
What is the reason for banning things like giving food and water to people waiting in long lines at polling places?
A billion x this!!

No problems found?! GQP gonna create some.
 
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ewdotson

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Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
You should probably read the *entirety* of Article I, Section 4 - not just the first part:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
 
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Here’s a compromise I offer to all my deplorables.

Voter ID as in a real ID like your drivers license or some state issued voter card with a picture on it and in return I want popular vote wins, no more electoral college.
So far no takers and this shows exactly what these measures are about and what the deplorables really think about how often voter fraud happens.
 

Jhhnn

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.

Please. Five states, including Utah, vote by mail & drop boxes. Incidents of fraud are vanishingly small & I defy anybody to produce actual evidence to the contrary. GOP efforts are an exercise in scurrilous innuendo & fear mongering specifically designed to discourage voting by target groups. Don't pretend otherwise.
 

trenchfoot

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Heh, imagine how things would actually be like if the Repubs had things all their way. Given their blatant attempts at "fixing" the vote in their favor, I wonder how their redistricting maps would look like for the State of New York and California in order to make things "as fair for them as possible". lol

Their version of totalitarianism applied to America would make Putin envious beyond words given the economic and military power that would be in the hands of guys and gals like Trump and their ilk.
 
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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
The fact that you consider the act of verifying the identity of a voter, by only their SSN is insecure, does not have any foundational support.

Even though SSN numbers do get stolen, there are aspects in the account that it is linked to which can give a lot of detail that can be used for verification purposes.

There is logic also behind it which would show how unlikely stolen SSN caused Biden to win the election. In Georgia, it's not about 11K SSN numbers, it's about the likely hood of the original person of the SSN also voting in the election.
 

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
Maybe you should take a minute and read the constitution. Article 1 section 4 puts the federal government as the final authority on all federal elections.

If states want to have a separate election for their offices they have more latitude to change the rules but insofar as federal elections go they have to do whatever the Feds say.
 
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dank69

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Funny about righties crying about "voter fraud" when most of the cases we heard about this last election were Trump supporters trying to scam the system.

" We KNOW voter fraud exists because WE committed it."
And we get caught which means the system is working without the need for more restrictions.
 
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woolfe9998

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.

Elections do not need to be made secure because they're already secure and there is no proof to the contrary. Many assertions, but zero proof. So you're saying we need to fix something which is not broken.

Show me evidence that we have a real problem with the integrity of our elections. Until then, no, we don't need restrictive legislation.

You seem to think the side who opposes laws restricting voting with no proven legitimate purpose are the problem, not the people who are lying about our elections to justify these laws.
 

Moonbeam

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There is is again.... calling it Jim Crow era laws. This is simply not true and I don't understand why liberals think it's such a crime for us to know who is voting. Making elections secure seems to go against the Democrat's wishes, which simply put, means it's more difficult to cheat. They hate that and call that a threat to democracy. The DOJ is putting their nose where it doesn't belong, injecting themselves into what should not have federal involvement. Constitutionally, the states are to decide the voting rules, not the feds. This is gonna fail and while it might go all the way to the SCOTUS, I believe they will rule that the fed involvement is unconstitutional, and that it is back to the state legislatures to decide how and when the elections are run.
Something to remember is that you are a good person. There is nothing wrong with making elections secure and the people who want to pass laws that keep liberals from voting are also good people because they believe that liberals are evil. There are, however, two flaws in this. It is wrong to fix an electoral process that is already fair, as every court in the country has said regarding Republican law suits to try to challenge the results has proven especially when one can easily see who is the attempt aims to exclude. And it is evil to say that liberals are the ones who are evil. This is the kind of dangerous fanaticism that demands absolute certainty which no human can ever really have. What causes that is fear, an inner inferiority that can't take any self recognition of its reality. Goodness is spontaneous and springs from a loving heart. The need to be good is a reflection of an unconscious certainty one is not.

Relax and be happy.
 

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I for one feel a great tension between the rate of we are moving to destroy our democracy and the speed that the wheels of justice turn. White knuckles time for liberals.
Because Biden is directing them to do so. It's his top priority and so much for the DOJ being independent. Maybe Hunter Biden's ex-partner can help the DOJ out because having one guy connected to Hunter wasn't enough.
 
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Moonbeam

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Because Biden is directing them to do so. It's his top priority and so much for the DOJ being independent. Maybe Hunter Biden's ex-partner can help the DOJ out because having one guy connected to Hunter wasn't enough.
This can't be right, of course, because Biden has no other priority than to follow the commands of the Lizard People who control all governments on Earth. It is them who want minorities to vote because they have the most control over brown people. The Lizard people just don't like white because it's the most difficult color to mimic and hide our scales.
 

UNCjigga

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Because Biden is directing them to do so. It's his top priority and so much for the DOJ being independent. Maybe Hunter Biden's ex-partner can help the DOJ out because having one guy connected to Hunter wasn't enough.

What does Hunter Biden have to do with voting rights in Georgia???

Goddammit, is Hannity using Lucidchart again???

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