Doing the right/smart thing?

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: bloodugly
THEY ARE NOT FERAL, do you even know what that means? They are just abandoned. You're the ignorant twit. Try getting near a true Feral cat...good luck.

You exist in your own little world of imagination. A colony of intact male and female cats that have no owners and nobody who is responsible for vaccinating them and providing health care is a menace to the local environment. You are creating a feral colony of cats by feeding them and allowing them to breed.

 

[bloodugly]

From Wiki:

Strictly defined, feral cats are born, and live without direct human contact. Therefore, they revert back to a "wild" temperament, with a fear of humans.

 

[bloodugly]

Your "Feral" idea is BS, these are just strays. Big difference, and you'd know this if you've ever been around true feral cats and not just reading stuff and assuming. True ferals are like mini bobcats.

 

[0roo0roo]

why bring them to a nicer neighborhood. poor areas need extra nutrition. a bit of extra wildlife for the bbq isn't half bad. i'm sure it tastes like chicken or something close. it might end up as a sustainable natural resource.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Wow. What a bunch of cat haters. If these were human children, I think this topic would go another way. Oh...but these are just cats....

Humans created this cat condition. It's our fault for deciding to domesticate them and expecting personal relationships with animals is a decidedly selfish thing. Cats serve no functional role in the ecosystem at this point and it's a product of our own making. Saving stray cats is not heroic nor is it helpful in any way. It simply perpetuates the problem. Calling animal control and paying to have then neutered/spayed is the only thing you can do. Dumping them in a "nice neighborhood" is a dickhead move.

OK, look into the eyes of a stray hungry kitty, wanting a friend. Tell me its a dickhead move. These aren't numbers, these are living animals needing a friend and a provider. Try looking at one in the eye and then think that.

I stopped anthropromorphizing when I was in grade school. I took care of a stray cat problem in my street by calling animal control. I'm more concerned about young families in my community that have been dealing with unemployment and can't afford to feed and clothe their children than a cat that should never exist in the first place. Do you gaze into the eyes of mosquitoes and flies before you kill them? Do you worry about the mystical gaia-energy in the grass you mow? Do you worry about the spiritual energy flowing through weeds before you pour toxic chemicals on your sidewalk to kill them? Probably not.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
why bring them to a nicer neighborhood. poor areas need extra nutrition. a bit of extra wildlife for the bbq isn't half bad. i'm sure it tastes like chicken or something close. it might end up as a sustainable natural resource.

LOL, you're terrible

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Wow. What a bunch of cat haters. If these were human children, I think this topic would go another way. Oh...but these are just cats....

Humans created this cat condition. It's our fault for deciding to domesticate them and expecting personal relationships with animals is a decidedly selfish thing. Cats serve no functional role in the ecosystem at this point and it's a product of our own making. Saving stray cats is not heroic nor is it helpful in any way. It simply perpetuates the problem. Calling animal control and paying to have then neutered/spayed is the only thing you can do. Dumping them in a "nice neighborhood" is a dickhead move.

OK, look into the eyes of a stray hungry kitty, wanting a friend. Tell me its a dickhead move. These aren't numbers, these are living animals needing a friend and a provider. Try looking at one in the eye and then think that.

I stopped anthropromorphizing when I was in grade school. I took care of a stray cat problem in my street by calling animal control. I'm more concerned about young families in my community that have been dealing with unemployment and can't afford to feed and clothe their children than a cat that should never exist in the first place. Do you gaze into the eyes of mosquitoes and flies before you kill them? Do you worry about the mystical gaia-energy in the grass you mow? Do you worry about the spiritual energy flowing through weeds before you pour toxic chemicals on your sidewalk to kill them? Probably not.

Animal control here means death. Can't do that.

 

[HannibalX]

OP is out of control and in many towns what he is doing is illegal.

 

[BurnItDwn]

If you want to help them, then take them in, get them fixed, and get them rabies shots, etc. Otherwise, they really are not much better off no matter what neighborhood they are in.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Basically, someone dumped a tons of cats/kittens off at my nearest convenience store. I worry about them getting run over. I've taken a few of them from there, and one even lives in my parents back yard and never leaves...it has a great life now. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by snatching them up and moving them to my neighborhood where myself and the bazillion old folk feed them constantly? Note: Everytime I grab one, I get bloody, they freak out, understandably. I just deal with the blood for the sake of giving them a chance, I guess. I'm a major cat lover Its still hurts though...cats bite HARD, lol.

Edit: I'm still bleeding. This is actually the brother/sister of the one living the good life at my parent's house. He/She bites freakin' HARD! lol I'm just sad that I scared her/him that much. They don't know.

First of all, if you're going to continue doing this, buy some welding gloves or something. Or you could get a live trap.

Second of all, if nothing else get them fixed. A whole bunch of unwanted feral cats is doing no one any favors regardless of the location. People used to dump them off at my parents house because apparently it looks enough like a farm they thought we needed a bunch of cats. Eventually we had to gather up all the semi feral cats that were living in our woodpile and pay to have them fixed.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Wow. What a bunch of cat haters. If these were human children, I think this topic would go another way. Oh...but these are just cats....

Humans created this cat condition. It's our fault for deciding to domesticate them and expecting personal relationships with animals is a decidedly selfish thing. Cats serve no functional role in the ecosystem at this point and it's a product of our own making. Saving stray cats is not heroic nor is it helpful in any way. It simply perpetuates the problem. Calling animal control and paying to have then neutered/spayed is the only thing you can do. Dumping them in a "nice neighborhood" is a dickhead move.

OK, look into the eyes of a stray hungry kitty, wanting a friend. Tell me its a dickhead move. These aren't numbers, these are living animals needing a friend and a provider. Try looking at one in the eye and then think that.

I stopped anthropromorphizing when I was in grade school. I took care of a stray cat problem in my street by calling animal control. I'm more concerned about young families in my community that have been dealing with unemployment and can't afford to feed and clothe their children than a cat that should never exist in the first place. Do you gaze into the eyes of mosquitoes and flies before you kill them? Do you worry about the mystical gaia-energy in the grass you mow? Do you worry about the spiritual energy flowing through weeds before you pour toxic chemicals on your sidewalk to kill them? Probably not.

Animal control here means death. Can't do that.

right...and animals living and dying in the "wild" suffering alone and other horrible deaths is just fine because out of sight..out of mind. give me a break. animal control is necessary because fools like you only think of the short term.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Basically, someone dumped a tons of cats/kittens off at my nearest convenience store. I worry about them getting run over. I've taken a few of them from there, and one even lives in my parents back yard and never leaves...it has a great life now. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by snatching them up and moving them to my neighborhood where myself and the bazillion old folk feed them constantly? Note: Everytime I grab one, I get bloody, they freak out, understandably. I just deal with the blood for the sake of giving them a chance, I guess. I'm a major cat lover Its still hurts though...cats bite HARD, lol.

Edit: I'm still bleeding. This is actually the brother/sister of the one living the good life at my parent's house. He/She bites freakin' HARD! lol I'm just sad that I scared her/him that much. They don't know.

First of all, if you're going to continue doing this, buy some welding gloves or something. Or you could get a live trap.

Second of all, if nothing else get them fixed. A whole bunch of unwanted feral cats is doing no one any favors regardless of the location. People used to dump them off at my parents house because apparently it looks enough like a farm they thought we needed a bunch of cats. Eventually we had to gather up all the semi feral cats that were living in our woodpile and pay to have them fixed.

First off, they're not feral. Look up the term. Second, I'm more likely to get food poisoning at subway or get hit by a car than catch something from a cat, its just not that likely. Third, I fix what sticks around. I can't afford to cure the population problem, but I can afford to at least to feed a hungry animal. If you think they're eating good at the gas station, then why are they so skinny and unhealthy looking?

 

[Bryophyte]

Don't get involved with a stray unless you're willing to get it vaccinated and spayed/neutered. Period. You move these animals to new places and expose the people and their pets to all of the diseases, parasites, and hormonal aggression that come along with the strays. How dare you make this THEIR problem? People who feed unaltered feral cats create MORE pain and suffering by making it possible for the population to grow larger and larger. You take two cute pitiful little stray kitties and in a couple years, you have a hundred. You no longer can afford to feed the population of strays, so they begin to starve to death. In the meantime, they destroy the local songbird populations, spread diseases and parasites, and fight with people's pets.

Housecats are domesticated animals, not wild. Unless they're properly taken care of in a home situation, as a pet, then they are an invasive, nuissance species. It sounds like your local problem is bigger than you can handle on your own. Unless you can recruit others to help, stop with the relocations.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Wow. What a bunch of cat haters. If these were human children, I think this topic would go another way. Oh...but these are just cats....

Humans created this cat condition. It's our fault for deciding to domesticate them and expecting personal relationships with animals is a decidedly selfish thing. Cats serve no functional role in the ecosystem at this point and it's a product of our own making. Saving stray cats is not heroic nor is it helpful in any way. It simply perpetuates the problem. Calling animal control and paying to have then neutered/spayed is the only thing you can do. Dumping them in a "nice neighborhood" is a dickhead move.

OK, look into the eyes of a stray hungry kitty, wanting a friend. Tell me its a dickhead move. These aren't numbers, these are living animals needing a friend and a provider. Try looking at one in the eye and then think that.

I stopped anthropromorphizing when I was in grade school. I took care of a stray cat problem in my street by calling animal control. I'm more concerned about young families in my community that have been dealing with unemployment and can't afford to feed and clothe their children than a cat that should never exist in the first place. Do you gaze into the eyes of mosquitoes and flies before you kill them? Do you worry about the mystical gaia-energy in the grass you mow? Do you worry about the spiritual energy flowing through weeds before you pour toxic chemicals on your sidewalk to kill them? Probably not.

Animal control here means death. Can't do that.

Are you an 11-year-old girl? Welcome to reality, dude. Human maniupulation of the environment causes imbalances like overpopulation. The only solution is to either try to rebalance the environment or wipe ourselves out. If you can't bring yourself to call animal control because some rat you call a cat might die, I could point you to some links on how to save the world involving a noose and a chair.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Don't get involved with a stray unless you're willing to get it vaccinated and spayed/neutered. Period. You move these animals to new places and expose the people and their pets to all of the diseases, parasites, and hormonal aggression that come along with the strays. How dare you make this THEIR problem? People who feed unaltered feral cats create MORE pain and suffering by making it possible for the population to grow larger and larger. You take two cute pitiful little stray kitties and in a couple years, you have a hundred. You no longer can afford to feed the population of strays, so they begin to starve to death. In the meantime, they destroy the local songbird populations, spread diseases and parasites, and fight with people's pets.

Housecats are domesticated animals, not wild. Unless they're properly taken care of in a home situation, as a pet, then they are an invasive, nuissance species. It sounds like your local problem is bigger than you can handle on your own. Unless you can recruit others to help, stop with the relocations.

These critters will be breeding anyways, this town is pretty much overrun with strays. I just can't sit by and watch them starve or get run over. Sorry, just how I am. I have talked with a lady here about starting a no-kill shelter though. I hope we can get it running. As much as I agree with the population issue, I still can't just ignore the animals that are already here and watch them suffer.

 

[BoomerD]

You're splitting hairs with the definition of feral.

While these animals MAY have been domesticated at one time, it sounds like they've gone wild. Dumping them in someone's neighborhood isn't helping the problem, and in fact, not only moves the problem somewhere else, it creates more problems in the neighborhood where you dump them.

How fucking hard is it to understand?

You suggest I "try some compassion." Here's some compassion for you...

Since this is such an important thing for you, YOU should rent a larger place where YOU can keep all these wonderful animals. YOU should pay to have them all neutered OUT OF YOUR POCKET so that they don't continue to reproduce and add to the cat overpopulation problem.

What you're suggesting is merely passing the problem onto someone else.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: bloodugly
Wow. What a bunch of cat haters. If these were human children, I think this topic would go another way. Oh...but these are just cats....

Humans created this cat condition. It's our fault for deciding to domesticate them and expecting personal relationships with animals is a decidedly selfish thing. Cats serve no functional role in the ecosystem at this point and it's a product of our own making. Saving stray cats is not heroic nor is it helpful in any way. It simply perpetuates the problem. Calling animal control and paying to have then neutered/spayed is the only thing you can do. Dumping them in a "nice neighborhood" is a dickhead move.

OK, look into the eyes of a stray hungry kitty, wanting a friend. Tell me its a dickhead move. These aren't numbers, these are living animals needing a friend and a provider. Try looking at one in the eye and then think that.

I stopped anthropromorphizing when I was in grade school. I took care of a stray cat problem in my street by calling animal control. I'm more concerned about young families in my community that have been dealing with unemployment and can't afford to feed and clothe their children than a cat that should never exist in the first place. Do you gaze into the eyes of mosquitoes and flies before you kill them? Do you worry about the mystical gaia-energy in the grass you mow? Do you worry about the spiritual energy flowing through weeds before you pour toxic chemicals on your sidewalk to kill them? Probably not.

Animal control here means death. Can't do that.

Are you an 11-year-old girl? Welcome to reality, dude. Human maniupulation of the environment causes imbalances like overpopulation. The only solution is to either try to rebalance the environment or wipe ourselves out. If you can't bring yourself to call animal control because some rat you call a cat might die, I could point you to some links on how to save the world involving a noose and a chair.

So are you willing to never breed and off yourself for the sake of pop. control? I think we humans are doing far worse to the world than any cat. Or is human life more valuable than another animal's?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Don't get involved with a stray unless you're willing to get it vaccinated and spayed/neutered. Period. You move these animals to new places and expose the people and their pets to all of the diseases, parasites, and hormonal aggression that come along with the strays. How dare you make this THEIR problem? People who feed unaltered feral cats create MORE pain and suffering by making it possible for the population to grow larger and larger. You take two cute pitiful little stray kitties and in a couple years, you have a hundred. You no longer can afford to feed the population of strays, so they begin to starve to death. In the meantime, they destroy the local songbird populations, spread diseases and parasites, and fight with people's pets.

Housecats are domesticated animals, not wild. Unless they're properly taken care of in a home situation, as a pet, then they are an invasive, nuissance species. It sounds like your local problem is bigger than you can handle on your own. Unless you can recruit others to help, stop with the relocations.

These critters will be breeding anyways, this town is pretty much overrun with strays. I just can't sit by and watch them starve or get run over. Sorry, just how I am. I have talked with a lady here about starting a no-kill shelter though. I hope we can get it running. As much as I agree with the population issue, I still can't just ignore the animals that are already here and watch them suffer.

How many 100's of thousands of dollars will you be giving to start the no kill?

You are letting your emotions get in the way of solving the problem.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
You're splitting hairs with the definition of feral.

While these animals MAY have been domesticated at one time, it sounds like they've gone wild. Dumping them in someone's neighborhood isn't helping the problem, and in fact, not only moves the problem somewhere else, it creates more problems in the neighborhood where you dump them.

How fucking hard is it to understand?

You suggest I "try some compassion." Here's some compassion for you...

Since this is such an important thing for you, YOU should rent a larger place where YOU can keep all these wonderful animals. YOU should pay to have them all neutered OUT OF YOUR POCKET so that they don't continue to reproduce and add to the cat overpopulation problem.

What you're suggesting is merely passing the problem onto someone else.

There is no splitting hairs about "feral". If you want to call them unwanted, abandoned, stray..fine...just don't call them feral. Feral cats are not something you could ever pick up, and if you did, you'd be REALLY sorry

I understand your position, and yes, I'm planning on getting a bigger place to house more. But, I don't have endless funds, so at the moment I'd rather they were in my neighborhood where myself and the multiple seniors can feed and enjoy them. For some of us, this isn't a problem, just means more catfood....not a problem.

All I can say is just that I want them to live and be fed, as I can't turn my back on starving lonely animals.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

The only way I wouldn't have a problem with this is if you got permission from every neighbor in a half mile radius and had every stray you transported checked out for diseases and spayed/neutered. It shouldn't be up to your whole neighborhood to sustain and tolerate the stray cat population just because you feel bad when you look into their widdle kitty eyes.

 

[bloodugly]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: bloodugly

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Don't get involved with a stray unless you're willing to get it vaccinated and spayed/neutered. Period. You move these animals to new places and expose the people and their pets to all of the diseases, parasites, and hormonal aggression that come along with the strays. How dare you make this THEIR problem? People who feed unaltered feral cats create MORE pain and suffering by making it possible for the population to grow larger and larger. You take two cute pitiful little stray kitties and in a couple years, you have a hundred. You no longer can afford to feed the population of strays, so they begin to starve to death. In the meantime, they destroy the local songbird populations, spread diseases and parasites, and fight with people's pets.

Housecats are domesticated animals, not wild. Unless they're properly taken care of in a home situation, as a pet, then they are an invasive, nuissance species. It sounds like your local problem is bigger than you can handle on your own. Unless you can recruit others to help, stop with the relocations.

These critters will be breeding anyways, this town is pretty much overrun with strays. I just can't sit by and watch them starve or get run over. Sorry, just how I am. I have talked with a lady here about starting a no-kill shelter though. I hope we can get it running. As much as I agree with the population issue, I still can't just ignore the animals that are already here and watch them suffer.

How many 100's of thousands of dollars will you be giving to start the no kill?

You are letting your emotions get in the way of solving the problem.

City funds, properly redirected, as well as volunteers.

 

[LennyZ]

Dumping strays in my neighborhood would just result in me catching them in a trap and sending them to the local Kill Shelter.

If people want a pet keep it indoors.
Not outside destroying other people's property.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: bloodugly
I think we humans are doing far worse to the world than any cat. Or is human life more valuable than another animal's?

Yes, human life is more valuable. I hope you're either a vegan or that you cry whenever you eat a piece of chicken.

 

[nerp]

Hmm, didn't take much investigation to track down the OP's address and basic info. Should I be evil and call animal control and report a huge feral population problem in his hood? Eh, I got more important shit to do. Would make the thread pretty interesting, though.

 

[bloodugly]

The animals we eat only had the chance to live because we would later eat them. Tell me now, would you like to live 2 more years or die right this second? This is about the food chain, and I don't recall our culture eating cats/dogs for food anytime recently. You can find examples, I'm sure, but people have also cannibalized in situations to live as well.