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Doh! I slowly killed my video card. Now what to do?

straubs

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Hello there, grab a seat. 🙂
The story goes like this: I had a geforce256 back in the day, in addition to a p3 500e. I believe I upgraded them both at the same time. I swapped in a geforce2 gts and a p3 1ghz. The problem is that I COMPLETELY forgot about the 2/3 AGP divider. In fact, this never occurred to me over two years of use like this! :disgust: My mobo doesn't have the 1/2 divider. So for about 2 years I've ran this setup with the AGP clock at 88.6. Amazingly I've had no problems with it...until now. It will now randomly crash in different ways. Sometimes it's a hardcore lockup with no mouse movement even and sometimes XP will report the nvidia device has failed and the computer needs to shutdown. Other times it will seem to lockup and then eventually come back and report the nvidia driver was in an infinite loop. Just last month I had to turn off the sleep mode, because about 1 out of 5 times the video wouldn't wake up from sleep mode. So in the last month this has gone from no problem to where I now have sleep mode turned off, and just today it crashed hard THREE times. For two years I've left this on 24/7 with virtually no crashes ever, so you can see how this is quite a bit irritating.

Anyway, I'm pretty much assuming the video card is not going to take that kind of abuse anymore. Right now I'm running it at 100mhz x 7.5 (750mhz) just to keep the AGP clock at the standard 66mhz. I plan on running like this for a few days to see if the video card STILL craps out. If it does then I really have no choice but to replace it, but either way, I'm not going to be happy running my old 1 gig at 750 just to make things work.

So now I'm not sure if I should be replacing the mobo with another old one with the 1/2 divider or what. I can't just go buy a p4 mobo because then not only is my video card possibly still a problem, but all my RAM *and* my CPU is useless as well. I don't want to replace my entire system at this time. I'm a broke-ass college student. (almost done!) So I would rather spend a little and get the same performance I've had or possibly slightly more until I get a real job and can replace this beast completely. I have several ancient video cards that will work if the card fails completely, but I need to play Vice City once in awhile too! 😛

Please check "my riggs" to see my hardware.
 
Well, instead of sleep mode, just shut the monitor off. All I can say is you got two years worth of use out of that thing and you should be happy it isn't completely dead yet.
 
recommend, remove heatsink from video card, clean it, re-grease chip and put heatsink back on.

*grease must be at-least the hite silicon thermal stuff

Athlon board with chip and ram, $325 Aus (~ $230 US)
 
If you really don't want to throw out a few hundred bucks for a major upgrade, what I'd suggest is this:

If your are able to run without ANY crashes whatsoever for the next few days, that should tell you that the video card is still working when it's running on the correct frequency. At that point look for a new P3 motherboard that will allow you to continue to use everything you currently have. If you have continued crashes, I would put in one of your older video cards (still running at 750) and see if they stop.

Basically eitehr way you *should* get a new motherboard. It's just unhealthy for you to run any video card like that, and the last thing you want to do is destroy another video card on that AGP frequency. Basically, you are just testing to find out if you need to replace the video card as well as the motherboard.
 
Letsee, you got two good years out of a (now) ancient GF2 videocard.

That isn't bad (and you'll get no sympathy from me - since I suspect your MB is fine).

Swap in another Old video card to confirm you MB is OK. Then spend about $44 for a new Radeon 8500 - it'll give more life to your rig and be quite an upgrade over your current card (see Hot Deals for all new cheap videocards - these also come with warranties in case you are still woried about your MB).
 
Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
Well, instead of sleep mode, just shut the monitor off. All I can say is you got two years worth of use out of that thing and you should be happy it isn't completely dead yet.

Yup, that's what I've been doing.
 
Originally posted by: apoppin

Swap in another Old video card to confirm you MB is OK. Then spend about $44 for a new Radeon 8500 - it'll give more life to your rig and be quite an upgrade over your current card (see Hot Deals for all new cheap videocards - these also come with warranties in case you are still woried about your MB).

Wouldn't I still have the problem of running the radeon at 88mhz on the APG bus?

 
Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
If you really don't want to throw out a few hundred bucks for a major upgrade, what I'd suggest is this:

If your are able to run without ANY crashes whatsoever for the next few days, that should tell you that the video card is still working when it's running on the correct frequency. At that point look for a new P3 motherboard that will allow you to continue to use everything you currently have. If you have continued crashes, I would put in one of your older video cards (still running at 750) and see if they stop.

Basically eitehr way you *should* get a new motherboard. It's just unhealthy for you to run any video card like that, and the last thing you want to do is destroy another video card on that AGP frequency. Basically, you are just testing to find out if you need to replace the video card as well as the motherboard.

I think this is the best solution for me right now.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a decent mobo that supports
-AGP divider of 1/2
-P3 1ghz, 133 bus, either socket or slot with my adapter
-3 slots for PC133 SDRAM

 
You may be right that the problem is from the O/C of the AGP card. I've been running 4 BX systems at 133Mhz FSB for several years with no problems, but that's still a small sample. I'm curious what the experience of others is.
 
Originally posted by: hmsrolst
You may be right that the problem is from the O/C of the AGP card. I've been running 4 BX systems at 133Mhz FSB for several years with no problems, but that's still a small sample. I'm curious what the experience of others is.

But with the AGP divider set to 2/3? If you have one of the boards that supports 1/2, then your AGP is at 66mhz, just like it's supposed to be.

Of course I could assume that you wouldn't have replied unless you already know you have it set at 2/3. 🙂
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for a decent mobo that supports
-AGP divider of 1/2
-P3 1ghz, 133 bus, either socket or slot with my adapter
-3 slots for PC133 SDRAM
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I believe you can get the Abit BX133-RAID. From what I remember, this was a good motherboard with the BX chipset that "unoffically" changed the BX chipset to run at 133.

 
No BX board, including the BX133 (I've been running two of them--great boards--along with a P3B-F and a P2B-DS), has a 1/2 AGP divider. It's just not possible with the BX.
 
So I guess now my question would be what is this combo worth:
Abit BE6-II
640mb RAM (PC133)
p3 1ghz

I have to see what the value is and then how much more I'd have to pony up for an upgrade...
 
The good news is that the P3 1ghz is still fetching around $70 on EBay, enough to cover an NForce2 mobo... the RAM is probably worth $80-$100... enough to cover 512mb PC2700... the board is maybe $15, if you can sell it at all 😛. An Athlon XP 1700+ OEM, Speeze FalconRock II, and Radeon 9100 64mb added to the mix will net you a around $150 in the red, including shipping - an excellent deal, if you ask me.
 
Thanks for the help, lameaway. 🙂
I am going to hold off on any video as this card seems to work fine at a reasonable AGP bus speed. And frankly, I don't have that much money to work with.

I am going to check out the nforce2 series now.

This is what I was estimating so far:
$65 - P3 1ghz/256k/133 + HSF + slocket
$? - Abit BE6-II
$60 - 2x 256mb PC133 T.I.
$15 - 128mb PC133 Micron
 
Originally posted by: straubs
Originally posted by: apoppin

Swap in another Old video card to confirm you MB is OK. Then spend about $44 for a new Radeon 8500 - it'll give more life to your rig and be quite an upgrade over your current card (see Hot Deals for all new cheap videocards - these also come with warranties in case you are still woried about your MB).

Wouldn't I still have the problem of running the radeon at 88mhz on the APG bus?
The older Radeons are notorious for running well out of spec . . . And for $40 dollars or so, it should easily last till your next upgrade. 😉

I'd also take a closer look at your BIOS . . . there is probably a 2/3 divider there somewhere . . .


 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: straubs

Wouldn't I still have the problem of running the radeon at 88mhz on the APG bus?

The older Radeons are notorious for running well out of spec . . . And for $40 dollars or so, it should easily last till your next upgrade. 😉

I'd also take a closer look at your BIOS . . . there is probably a 2/3 divider there somewhere . . .

Oh there IS a 2/3 divider, but 133 * 2/3 = 88.9 What I was talking about was a 1/2 or 1/4 divider. I can't remember which it was.

I still see that as taking a chance, because then I'd be buying a new video card and still depend on it running drastically out of spec. 🙁
 
straubs, you're right not to search for a 1/2 divider, because, as I said earlier, you won't find one. I think you're pretty reasonable on your assumptions for what you can sell your old stuff for (maybe a little high on the RAM and a little low on the CPU, but in the right ballpark). On the other hand, RReed has a CUSL2-C for $30 shipped on the FS/FT.
 
Yeah, I was just looking at the CUSL2-C for sale... I am starting to seriously consider just selling the lot and trying to spend only a little more to replace it with newer stuff. Since I will have to rebuilt and load all my software again. And I have so much. Not to mention all the tweaking, etc... Off I go to check my financial status.
 
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