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Doh, Eurofighter crashed in Spain...all remaining grounded.
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FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
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DivideBYZero
Lifer
The F22 is hardly entering service. Its scheduled to end development flight testing (The same stage that the Eurofighter is in now) in August 2003, 5 months behind schedule (not that bad in this scale of project). Then it'll go through 2 years of combat testing, necessary for full production and initial combat deployment in December 2005.
And folks, this is why theybuild development aircraft
SilentRunning
Golden Member
It was actually an unforseen circumstance (call it a software error or pilot error). They didn't program the plane to make a crash landing with the gear still up. The test pilot forgot to lower the landing gear. The plane kept trying to pull up and the test pilot kept trying to force it to land. So it ocillated up and down above the runway until the pilot finally successfully crashed it. 😀
Would somebody explain why in so many threads people are comparing F-22 and Eurofighter? Both planes are meant for complitely different tasks.
-F-22 is "fighter to replace the F-15, with emphasis on agility, stealth and range"
-Eurofighter is "close air fighter aircraft with surface attack capability"
as quoted from the original planning of both aircrafts. They are of very different size and different characteristics, meant for different tasks, so I dont see how they could be compared? You dont compare an F-15 to F-16??? Hell, why not compare Eurofighter to JSF (F35)?
Oh, BTW here is a video of the F-22 CRASH
-DaFinn
SilentRunning
Golden Member
Thanks for video link. He didn't forget to lower landing gear, he inadvertantly retracted it. I was searching for the video and figured that much out from the text descriptions of the crash. I knew he screwed up with the landing gear though. Still a dumb move.
Holy god! That's some video. The pilot must have been bricking it. You can't fault the plane though - he brought the u/c up and the f22 decided to get more height.
And the whole F-22/Eurofighter thing is just being used as another excuse for national dick measurement in the US/EU wars...
You are right, they arent directly comparable. The US wants the best air dominance fighter in the world, and has the defense budget to spend $200 million on each one.
The EU wants a cutting edge fighter with ground attack capabilities (not that different from a modern f-16), but wants much greater numbers than the US (600 compared to 300, or maybe 180, depending on what the new budget study says) and has a smaller defense budget to pay for them (maybe $70 million each?).
Therefore the Eurofighter will not be as capable an air defense fighter as the f-22. Simple. But it will be more capable as a multirole fighter, which the US isn't interested in.
That is not exactly what happened. There was a slight propagational delay in the computer systems that controlled the thrust vectoring. A slight push down on the stick was causing a wild swing down, and the slight move back caused a wild swing up, and this is what caused the crazy oscilation of f-22 in the video.
Why did the pilot do a belly flop with gear down? I dont know, maybe it is easy to land that way? Maybe the pilot is sitting on the top gear? Either way it is part of test flight training, accidents happen.
crab
Diamond Member
Read this for all you ever needed to know about the YF-22 crash, the FBW system and PIO
How the hell did you come up with that?
No inadvertant gear retraction, no accidental gear-up landing here people, the aircraft got stuck in a situation ALL FBW aircraft are susceptible to. Usually one of the first checklist items during go-around is GEAR UP, since they were practicing go-arounds, it kinda makes sense to retract it, no?
How the hell did you come up with that?
No inadvertant gear retraction, no accidental gear-up landing here people, the aircraft got stuck in a situation ALL FBW aircraft are susceptible to. Usually one of the first checklist items during go-around is GEAR UP, since they were practicing go-arounds, it kinda makes sense to retract it, no?
One clarification: The Dec 2005 date is for the first fully operational squadron (probably 24 planes, just guessing), at Langley AFB. Initial entry into USAF is at Tyndall AFB for operational testing, and that occurs this year. My guess is that if something happens in Iraq, we might see an F-22 or two head over for some "real world" testing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that happens even if no war occurs -- nothing like testing the aircraft systems against real opponents in ONW or OSW.
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