Dog The Bounty Hunter Calls Stand Your Ground Laws 'Bull Crap'

[Bitek]

All right, how's this for a scenario? Best part: It's real.

At an intersection I've literally walked through thousands of times without issue, earlier this spring a man was physically assaulted, robbed at gunpoint, kicked and curb-stomped by the robber's 4 other friends, in that order, at about 1 am. He survived but with serious injuries and numerous broken bones. When was the last time the Dog was in that scenario or any scenario like that, and how would he have "badassedly" handled the situation without a gun? Pepper spray?

For that matter when the last time the Dog encountered someone willing to shoot him?

Anyone who listens to the Dog for self defense advice are in the same camp that listen to Bear Grills for survival advice.

There is a real need and right to self defense, some times guns are required, this is what the gun grabbers fail to admit.

Otoh, bringing guns into situations automatically escalates the situation to potentially lethal levels. How that can play out is entirely chaotic, and there is always a strong chance for blowback. Guilty or not guilty, Zimmerman (for instance) found that out.
Guns are not a panacea. This is what the NRA and guns nuts also fail to admit. Plenty of other news stories where it goes the wrong way.

There had been way to much glorification of guns and that benefits they provide. That gun can be as great a danger to yourself as it is to your attacker. Guns don't give you safety, it gives your actions lethality. You will pay dearly for mistakes.

 

[TerryMathews]

Interesting interview with this famous bounty hunter. He makes some points on the use of tasers and other things from his life experiences and feels that the "Stand your ground laws" are excuses to murder people.

He is Republican btw.

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Link to short interview

He's also a convicted felon and not legally able to own a firearm.

He's also in a line of business where SYG is a daily risk. If I were a for-profit bounty hunter I'd be against my targets having guns too. Duh.

 

[QuantumPion]

Someone who makes their living chasing down criminals isn't in favor of a law that gives people the benefit of the doubt to shoot people who they perceive as a threat? How is that surprising?

This

 

[Bitek]

Self defence isn't murder.

The alternatives to bullets are not "highly effective" either... Especially if the guy you're trying to subdue is armed.

He's a dumb fuck showboat who takes on generally non violent druggies 5vs1 at a time and place of his choosing. He knows less than nothing about self defence and listening to him is a good way to get yourself killed.

Technically you have murdered someone until you are cleared legally by self defense. Sometimes this is a quick and easy process, sometimes its not. Understand this before you walk out of your house with a gun.

 

[Phanuel]

There is a real need and right to self defense, some times guns are required, this is what the gun grabbers fail to admit.

Otoh, bringing guns into situations automatically escalates the situation to potentially lethal levels. How that can play out is entirely chaotic, and there is always a strong chance for blowback. Guilty or not guilty, Zimmerman (for instance) found that out.
Guns are not a panacea. This is what the NRA and guns nuts also fail to admit. Plenty of other news stories where it goes the wrong way.

There had been way to much glorification of guns and that benefits they provide. That gun can be as great a danger to yourself as it is to your attacker. Guns don't give you safety, it gives your actions lethality. You will pay dearly for mistakes.

I'd rather have the option to make a mistake than have all of my options never exist in the first place.

 

[BoberFett]

Still trying to understand how he has no valid opinion of what it takes to stop/put down hostile and aggressive people.

He is pointing out there are highly effective ways to stop people without having to murder them, esp by civilians. Hell of a lot less legal risk too.

Ie bullets are for hacks

Mace is illegal in many places too. Think about that. It's not just about preventing the ability to kill others, many places are against you being able to protect yourself.

Mandated reliance on government for every possible activity, cradle to grave. It's job security for bureaucrats.

 

[MagickMan]

Someone who makes their living chasing down criminals isn't in favor of a law that gives people the benefit of the doubt to shoot people who they perceive as a threat? How is that surprising?

This.

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[Orignal Earl]

Someone who makes their living chasing down criminals isn't in favor of a law that gives people the benefit of the doubt to shoot people who they perceive as a threat? How is that surprising?

This doesn't make sense to me?
Why would a bounty hunter (usually able to carry legally) be against a law that further enables him to protect himself from a criminal who gave up their rights?
There's a little more to SYG then just whoever shoots first is justified isn't there?

 

[rommelrommel]

This doesn't make sense to me?
Why would a bounty hunter (usually able to carry legally) be against a law that further enables him to protect himself from a criminal who gave up their rights?
There's a little more to SYG then just whoever shoots first is justified isn't there?

Just because you're a fugitive doesn't mean that you can't defend yourself from assault.

 

[rommelrommel]

Technically you have murdered someone until you are cleared legally by self defense. Sometimes this is a quick and easy process, sometimes its not. Understand this before you walk out of your house with a gun.

Technically according to what?

You're just making up bullshit as the total lack of charges in many self defence cases proves. I guess it's better to be dead but not investigated than to defend yourself and be asked why you did so. By your veneration of dog I'm guessing you know about as much about self defence and the laws around it as he does.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Just because you're a fugitive doesn't mean that you can't defend yourself from assault.

Criminals can use SYG to stop bounty hunters from arresting them?
Does that apply to police too?
Do you have links to back this up?

 

[waggy]

Criminals can use SYG to stop bounty hunters from arresting them?
Does that apply to police too?
Do you have links to back this up?

can a criminal use SYG to stop a bounty hunter? sure if they are breaking into the house. you have that right to defend yourself. now the problem is if you are being chased by bounty hunter you are bail. on bail you aren't supposed to have guns.

Does that work with a cop? rolf no.

 

[smackababy]

Still trying to understand how he has no valid opinion of what it takes to stop/put down hostile and aggressive people.

He is pointing out there are highly effective ways to stop people without having to murder them, esp by civilians. Hell of a lot less legal risk too.

Ie bullets are for hacks

OC isn't always effective and stun guns are illegal in a few states. Plus, they are not particularly effective against multiple assailants and require you to also be incapacitated. Even pepper spray someone in a small room or something a foot away from you? It isn't like in the movies. You get hit. Plus, it doesn't render you incapacitated. We received OC training in the military. We were hit with it and then had to complete some activities that included running and hitting something with a bat. You can still function. Getting tasered, however, pretty much drops you immediately (also had that "training").

 

[irishScott]

There is a real need and right to self defense, some times guns are required, this is what the gun grabbers fail to admit.

Otoh, bringing guns into situations automatically escalates the situation to potentially lethal levels. How that can play out is entirely chaotic, and there is always a strong chance for blowback. Guilty or not guilty, Zimmerman (for instance) found that out.
Guns are not a panacea. This is what the NRA and guns nuts also fail to admit. Plenty of other news stories where it goes the wrong way.

There had been way to much glorification of guns and that benefits they provide. That gun can be as great a danger to yourself as it is to your attacker. Guns don't give you safety, it gives your actions lethality. You will pay dearly for mistakes.

The difference is a gun gives me the option to risk making those mistakes. No-gun eliminates that choice entirely. If I have cause to draw and use pepper spray or a taser, I almost certainly have cause to use a firearm. I'll take the more definite solution wherever its legal.

 

[CPA]

nm

 

[D-Man]

I was in a situation living in the country where I believed I needed a gun. A women was screaming late one night and I heard the screams coming from my back yard. As I came down from the second floor my wife was calling the police. We lived in a township so we called the local police. They had to get the ok from the Sherriff's Office. As I was walking to the rear of the house I had to convince myself that if she was being harmed I might have to shoot. I opened the door kicked the screen door open and let my rather large German Shepard out first. I scanned the yard and noticed a girl covered in mud screaming. If a person with a gun or any other weapon was harming her I would have given the dog a chance first. But have no doubt I was happy to have a gun and I would have used it if necessary. Turns out the girl got drunk at a party a few properties away and crawled through a muddy plowed field it was rather chilly and she screamed like someone was killing her. So I am the last house on the left in the country before a curved road and people knocked on my door broken down at all hours. I'll opt for the gun.

 

[rommelrommel]

Criminals can use SYG to stop bounty hunters from arresting them?
Does that apply to police too?
Do you have links to back this up?

Key word, assault. police and bounty hunters lawfully arresting a fugitive are not assaulting him unless they're using excessive force.

 

[Orignal Earl]

can a criminal use SYG to stop a bounty hunter? sure if they are breaking into the house. you have that right to defend yourself. now the problem is if you are being chased by bounty hunter you are bail. on bail you aren't supposed to have guns.

Does that work with a cop? rolf no.

Nope, the criminal gave up the right to his house when he signed the bond

Key word, assault. police and bounty hunters lawfully arresting a fugitive are not assaulting him unless they're using excessive force.

Right
So unless Dog is assaulting his catches, the reason he opposes SYG can't be because he's worried criminals are going to use SYG against him.
Besides Dog don't really do anything but yell * Get him Leland *

 

[werepossum]

He killed a man, and went to prison for it. He's not allowed to posses firearms.

lol Yep, those grapes are probably bitter anyway.

I would have lost money betting on whether there still existed a single person who gave a shit about what Dog the bounty hunter thought about literally anything though. Even if it's conditional caring.

Perhaps Breitbart can do a story on how the Huffington Post shows how murderers are against stand your ground laws. lol

 

[Matt1970]

He killed a man, and went to prison for it. He's not allowed to posses firearms.

He didn't kill anyone.

He was 23 in Pampa, Texas, in 1976 when he was in a car outside a house where a friend had gone inside to buy marijuana, he explained. The friend got into an argument with the dealer and shot him.

"In Texas in the `70s, if you were present, you were just as guilty," Chapman said. He and the others in the group were all found guilty of murder. Chapman was sentenced to five years in prison and was paroled after 18 months.

 

[OlafSicky]

Isn't he a felon too? Who cares.

If I remember he beat a guy to death and spend time in prison as a young man

 

[Bitek]

The difference is a gun gives me the option to risk making those mistakes. No-gun eliminates that choice entirely. If I have cause to draw and use pepper spray or a taser, I almost certainly have cause to use a firearm. I'll take the more definite solution wherever its legal.

Thats fine. I don't really care either way. People have the right to defend themselves as needed.

I do think Dog had a valid point in there tho.

Guns don't automatically mean safety. Get it wrong and people can pay dearly.

 

[MongGrel]

The whole thread a bit lame IMHO, maybe it's just me.

 

[rommelrommel]

Thats fine. I don't really care either way. People have the right to defend themselves as needed.

I do think Dog had a valid point in there tho.

Guns don't automatically mean safety. Get it wrong and people can pay dearly.

That point is fine but I didn't hear him make it anywhere... It was more "there are better and more effective tools than a gun."

 

[who?]

Dog was waiting in the car while his buddy went inside to buy marijuana and shot the dealer. I'm not sure if the underlying felony was the marijuana or robbing the dealer but since he was a part of that he was guilty under the felony murder rule.