Doesn't fate imply lack of free will?

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: RandomCoil
I didn't say anything about Heisenberg. The key issue I was getting at was that QM allows for probability-based outcomes which Newtonian physics can't deal with.

Probability based outcomes meaning what? True randomness or observed pseudorandomness?

Just because we can only observe down to a specific point or precision doesnt mean that whats underlying is random.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: RandomCoil
Going down the list:

1) In answer to the first question I would say yes, fate implies a lack of free will. The bigger issue is why you choose to live a "free" or "fated" life.

2) BD2003: You must have gotten stuck on Newtonian physics at some point. A quantum mechanical view of the universe would not agree with "fate" being defined at the Big Bang.

3) And finally, there's no way to know whether fate is real or not. I'll go with "not" because it seems like just the sort of cop-out a human would come up with to explains things that a) they don't want to admit to being responsible for and b) they don't understand. People spend a lot of time asking "why?" and seem to like to go with the anser that takes the least work to understand.

Probablility is, I guess, hard to grasp.

What's interesting about your post is that you say "not" to fate, yet you casually reference the Big Bang as though it's proven event will concrete evidence. I think that very well summarizes a lot of peoples feelings here. if it's related to science, it'll be accepted with the only sketchy, extrapolated evidence at best, but the the same leniency isn't given if the subject in question is at all tied to religion.

Now let's be fair, the evidence for the Big Bang is by no means sketchy or extrapolated.

I agree that sometimes evidence seems sketchy and extrapolated, but you have to remember that most explanations need to be dumbed down A LOT so that the common man might be able to understand them. If you were a specialist in that particular field, chances are the evidence would not be sketchy.

 

[StageLeft]

yes

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: smp
Yeah .. lack of free will .. in agreement on this one. Fate is BS, God is BS, religion is BS, humanity is BS .. everything is BS .. the only thing you can believe in is BS.

BS!!!....praise be to BS!!!

SMP: I and some other BSians will be meeting at a Dennys this Saturday. If you are interested, we'll be taking a collection to fund our own meeting place. It's time we organize the BS so all BSians, and non-believers in the great power of BS, can see the beauty of BS!!


Praise BS brother!