Does Windows 10 still accept Windows 7 keys for clean install?

[NeoPTLD]

Dodging every question inconvenient to answer, I see. Call MS. Get their answer to avoid arguing in a circle.

 

[VirtualLarry]

How am I dodging questions? It seems like that's exactly what you're doing. I asked you to clarify exactly why you are accusing me of piracy. And that was your assertion - I expect you to be able to point to specific public documentation from Microsoft to back up that assertion. Just telling me to "call MS" based on your baseless accusations is nothing but a total troll and a cop-out.

At this point, unless you can point to public documentation that "proves" that JackMDS and I are guilty of "piracy", I'm going to assume that you are nothing but an internet troll.

 

[NeoPTLD]

I linked you to update FAQ and I find that answers it to my satisfaction but you insist otherwise. So, at this point calling MS is your best bet, so you can get clarification on interpretation. As near as I'm aware JackMDS hasn't posted something that suggests he's running a commercial enterprise that runs afoul of infringements. You're deflecting the attention to something else like Best Buy or Staples but no tangible reference in support of your business practice.

 

[VirtualLarry]

As near as I'm aware JackMDS hasn't posted something that suggests he's running a commercial enterprise that runs afoul of infringements. You're deflecting the attention to something else like Best Buy or Staples but no tangible reference in support of your business practice.

Again, I'm going to ask, but it now seems obvious from your reply - you find it LEGAL for the "end-user" to perform the upgrade, but NOT LEGAL for same said end-user to PAY a THIRD-PARTY to perform the upgrade on their behalf, either because they lack the time, ability, or expertise.

And, I'm also going to go out on a limb, and suggest that you are NOT an American. Here, we believe in Freedom. I do not need a "tangible reference in support of my business practice". If it's not EXPLICITLY ILLEGAL, then it's FREE and LEGAL to do.

So, again, YOU need to provide support for your assertions, that MS does not consider it valid, within the terms of their license agreements, to be able to pay a third-party to perform the technical labor necessary to perform the upgrade on their computer, from their current legally-licensed copy of a Microsoft OS.

And my assertion is, because BestBuy and Staples stores EXPLICITLY offered to upgrade an end-user's copy of a prior legally-licensed MS OS FOR THEM, that it's not against the MS license agreement for third-parties to do that.

 

[NeoPTLD]

Going back to the beginning with you upgrading a client computer which you're charging money for... you suggested upgrading to Windows 10. I commented that's going to cost you $120 or $200 because free upgrade is expired and getting it on somehow now isn't legit.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq

Q: Is the Windows 10 free upgrade offer still available?
A: No, the Windows 10 free upgrade offer ended on July 29, 2016.

Windows 10 will continue to be available for purchase, either on a device or as a full version of the software. A discounted "upgrade" version of Windows 10 will not be for sale.

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Q: How do I get Windows 10?
A: Windows 10 will continue to be available for purchase, either on a device or as a full version of the software.

Q: Do I still qualify for the free upgrade offer if I've already downloaded Windows 10 to a USB drive, but haven't yet upgraded my device?

A: All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29; this is one worldwide point in time."

So, when it comes to running a commercial enterprise of taking money to load software that's no longer authorized as free installation and pocketing the money, it boils down to common sense.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Q: Do I still qualify for the free upgrade offer if I've already downloaded Windows 10 to a USB drive, but haven't yet upgraded my device?

A: All upgrades must have completed and reached the "Welcome" screen by 11:59 PM UTC-10 (Hawaii) on July 29; this is one worldwide point in time."

Well, that's clear enough. So using the "acessability" way of upgrading is therefore "piracy" too. So Microsoft is now officially encouraging and condoning piracy of their own software, by disabled people, by advertising that you can get the upgrade still by using the disability (Edit: Sorry, "acessability") feature to upgrade.

Clearly, by that, JackMDS is a pirate, and Mary Jo Foley may be guilty of contributory copyright infringement, by encouraging people to apply for their Win10 upgrade, while MS is still approving activations.

Or, maybe, Microsoft "speaks with a forked tongue" on this matter. They could shut it down easily. But they haven't.

So, when it comes to running a commercial enterprise of taking money to load software that's no longer authorized as free installation and pocketing the money, it boils down to common sense.

"and pocketing the money"? What do you mean by that? That I'm not allowed to earn money for my labor and skills? That's a God-given Right.

Or are you implying that I'm committing fraud, charging the customer the full price for a retail copy of Win10, and then performing the upgrade for free (and pocketing money equal to the cost of Win10)? I never even suggested such a thing. Only that I would upgrade them, using the MS free upgrade, and charge for my time.

And, it could conceivably be legally argued, that MS *IS* "authorizing" the upgrades, by activating the Win10 licenses.

I have to chuckle a little bit at you continuing to refer to me making some "pizza money" from re-formatting friends, relatives, and neighbor's PCs as a "commercial enterprise". Technically, I'm charging them something for my time. I try to make it a business and keep it as professional as possible. But I'm a lot closer to a charity or non-profit, considering how much hardware I give away versus what I manage to sell.

 

[VirtualLarry]

A discounted "upgrade" version of Windows 10 will not be for sale.

As an aside, I find this to be BS. Clearly, Microsoft could easily SELL "online, downloadable, upgrade editions of Win10". In fact, I wish that they would. $40 USD would be about right, for paying for an upgrade from Win7, 8, 8.1. Although, I would probably allow upgrades from Vista too, for the paid version. (Just like the Win7 upgrade edition was good for XP license holders too. It couldn't upgrade in-place, but it was a valid upgrade configuration. It just performed a clean install in-place.)

 

[Puffnstuff]

I honestly can't believe that you guys are still arguing over whether or not you an upgrade to 10 from 7. Just check out the official MS page and click on the big blue upgrade button from within w7 and upgrade for free right now. Then you can come back later and clean install 10 without the need for a key ever again on that hardware.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade