Does this stink to anyone else?

[Todd33]

The city (NYC) now has 4,000 fewer police officers than it had on Sept. 11, 2001, when planes hijacked by al Qaeda destroyed the World Trade Center, killing almost 2,800 people.

New York, with 8 million people, secured only $5.47 per head in homeland security grants in 2004 -- the second lowest in the nation -- compared to $38.31 per person in Wyoming.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5860484&pageNumber=1

Who doesn't play politics with homeland security? I'd say they all do, a blue state which is the number one target gets jack and a red state cashes in?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Todd33

The city (NYC) now has 4,000 fewer police officers than it had on Sept. 11, 2001, when planes hijacked by al Qaeda destroyed the World Trade Center, killing almost 2,800 people.

New York, with 8 million people, secured only $5.47 per head in homeland security grants in 2004 -- the second lowest in the nation -- compared to $38.31 per person in Wyoming.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5860484&pageNumber=1

Who doesn't play politics with homeland security? I'd say they all do, a blue state which is the number one target gets jack and a red state cashes in?

And what do you think the per capita spending should be? Do you think they should all be equal? Do you realize that changes where more people live is usually always cheaper per capita than lesser populated places?
Basically - instead of whining - what is your solution? What should the funding levels be?

CkG

 

[Dissipate]

Homeland "security" is a complete waste of money anyways. Therefore, the government wasted more money on Wyoming than NYC.

 

[viivo]

I love the smell of bureaucracy in the morning... smells like failure.

 

[Todd33]

I'd think they would put more security into NYC, but hey Wyoming is a big target too.

I think US homeland security is far more important than blowing up and rebuilding Iraq, but I'm biased because I live in the US.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: viivo
I love the smell of beauracracy in the morning... smells like failure.

You know what they say: thank god we don't get all the government we pay for.

 

[judasmachine]

screw em i hope they get nothing. especially because they are out spending money on a threat that hardly exists.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Congress has some archaic, porkbarrel rules about divying up monies. Unfortunately, the real threat of terrorism is not so pressing that it would disturb the world order of pork allocation in the US Congress.

 

[Perknose]

$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

They could probably spend only $1000 on homeland security in Wyoming and come up with that $38.31 per person figure. 😛 Yup, 26 people in all of Wyoming!

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

Now Im not sure how security for our nuclear silos work or anything but the US's biggest nuclear aresenal is in Wyoming.

It has to take alot of money and alot of man power to secure a 12,000 square mile site.

Edit: Doing some digging, it appears Wyoming was in need of alot of equipment. Also while the numbers sound bad when going per capita. Its really $17million Wyoming, while NYC alone has recieved over $206million. California, as a state, has received over $900million since Sept 11.

IMHO you cant really go by a per capita basis, there are more factors than just population.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

Now Im not sure how security for our nuclear silos work or anything but the US's biggest nuclear aresenal is in Wyoming.

It has to take alot of money and alot of man power to secure a 12,000 square mile site.

Edit: Doing some digging, it appears Wyoming was in need of alot of equipment. Also while the numbers sound bad when going per capita. Its really $17million Wyoming, while NYC alone has recieved over $206million. California, as a state, has received over $900million since Sept 11.

IMHO you cant really go by a per capita basis, there are more factors than just population.

True. I don't know where they got their numbers, but I'd be interested in seeing if Tennessee is a higher per capita than NY due to the, umm... 'facilities' we have in the eastern portion of the state.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

Now Im not sure how security for our nuclear silos work or anything but the US's biggest nuclear aresenal is in Wyoming.

It has to take alot of money and alot of man power to secure a 12,000 square mile site.

Edit: Doing some digging, it appears Wyoming was in need of alot of equipment. Also while the numbers sound bad when going per capita. Its really $17million Wyoming, while NYC alone has recieved over $206million. California, as a state, has received over $900million since Sept 11.

IMHO you cant really go by a per capita basis, there are more factors than just population.

True. I don't know where they got their numbers, but I'd be interested in seeing if Tennessee is a higher per capita than NY due to the, umm... 'facilities' we have in the eastern portion of the state.

Tennesse has received $149.7million since Sept 11. Thats what? ~$25 per person?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Homeland "security" is a complete waste of money anyways. Therefore, the government wasted more money on Wyoming than NYC.

they didnt spend more money in wyoming.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

Now Im not sure how security for our nuclear silos work or anything but the US's biggest nuclear aresenal is in Wyoming.

It has to take alot of money and alot of man power to secure a 12,000 square mile site.

Edit: Doing some digging, it appears Wyoming was in need of alot of equipment. Also while the numbers sound bad when going per capita. Its really $17million Wyoming, while NYC alone has recieved over $206million. California, as a state, has received over $900million since Sept 11.

IMHO you cant really go by a per capita basis, there are more factors than just population.

True. I don't know where they got their numbers, but I'd be interested in seeing if Tennessee is a higher per capita than NY due to the, umm... 'facilities' we have in the eastern portion of the state.

Tennesse has received $149.7million since Sept 11. Thats what? ~$25 per person?

Yah, that's about right since we have ~6 million people here. Where did you find the $149.7 figure? Did I miss it in the article somewhere?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isnt that one of those western states we based a lot of ICBMs in? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "We felt securing ICBM sites to be worthwhile".

Fixed.

 

[Thump553]

What about the 4,000 less NYC policemen? Is that true? Doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

Homeland security is a huge topic, and the costs of fully securing each and every location are prohibitive. But regardless of how you feel about the communities, it is quite clear that NYC and Washington, DC are prime targets of bin Laden. They should be at the top of the list, priority wise.

Rant-these "Fixed" posts that distort the purportedly quoted message really annoy me. If I ran this asylum they would be an insta-ban.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isn't that Cheney's home state? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "Go fvck yourself".

Now Im not sure how security for our nuclear silos work or anything but the US's biggest nuclear aresenal is in Wyoming.

It has to take alot of money and alot of man power to secure a 12,000 square mile site.

Edit: Doing some digging, it appears Wyoming was in need of alot of equipment. Also while the numbers sound bad when going per capita. Its really $17million Wyoming, while NYC alone has recieved over $206million. California, as a state, has received over $900million since Sept 11.

IMHO you cant really go by a per capita basis, there are more factors than just population.

True. I don't know where they got their numbers, but I'd be interested in seeing if Tennessee is a higher per capita than NY due to the, umm... 'facilities' we have in the eastern portion of the state.

Tennesse has received $149.7million since Sept 11. Thats what? ~$25 per person?

Yah, that's about right since we have ~6 million people here. Where did you find the $149.7 figure? Did I miss it in the article somewhere?

Google searches that lead to an article about homeland security for Tenn.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Perknose
$38.31 per person in Wyoming, yes. Wyoming, Wyoming, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, isnt that one of those western states we based a lot of ICBMs in? What a coincidence!!

When questioned about their disproportinate share of the Homeland Insanity funds, Wyoming officials responded, "We felt securing ICBM sites to be worthwhile".

Fixed.

I honestly dont know how you can totally secure a 12,000 square mile site.

 

[CanOWorms]

How do you just lose 4000 police officers?

The NYC vs. Wyoming thing can make sense since NYC has probably had spending to beef up its security since 2001 and even before then. It shouldn't a linear relationship if you factor in everything like that.

 

[BuckNaked]

Wyoming has a population of less than 500,000, vs 19 million for the state of New York, 8 million which live in NYC...

 

[Todd33]

So? They should get 38X the budget, it also more of a target, a lot of those 19 million are in NYC.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Todd33
So? They should get 38X the budget, it also more of a target, a lot of those 19 million are in NYC.

With such a low population, it doesn't take a lot of money to make the per capita figures look out of whack. I am not saying its right or wrong, and I agree that NYC is a much more likely target than Wyoming.

 

[DealMonkey]

Of course the administration plays politics with terrorism, just take a quick glance at Tom Ridge's statements just a few days ago when the increased threat level was announced for NY/DC:

Tom Ridge statement

[...]

There is much we can each do to remain vigilant, to be on watch, to be aware of unusual patterns or vehicles, and to report suspicious activities. And so this afternoon, I ask our citizens for their watchful eyes as we continue to monitor this situation.

I certainly realize that this is sobering news, not just about the intent of our enemies, but of their specific plans and a glimpse into their methods.

But we must understand that the kind of information available to us today is the result of the President?s leadership in the war against terror. The reports that have led to this alert are the result of offensive intelligence and military operations overseas, as well as strong partnerships with our allies around the world, such as Pakistan. Such operations and partnerships give us insight into the enemy so we can better target our defensive measures here and away from home

[...]

Oh! I see now! It's Bush's "leadership" that allows us to yo-yo the threat level up and down and keep American's foaming at the mouth with fear. Yup, Tom Ridge isn't playing politics with terror.

Puh-lease. :roll:

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
How do you just lose 4000 police officers?

The NYC vs. Wyoming thing can make sense since NYC has probably had spending to beef up its security since 2001 and even before then. It shouldn't a linear relationship if you factor in everything like that.

The surrounding areas around NYC like Long Island pay experienced police officers alot more, about 1/3 to 1/2 and a whole lot safer conditions. Given that most of police come from Long Island it is no surprise they leave the force for Long Island first change they get.