Does this scare you?

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[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bamacre
To those who think doctors and "experts" are perfect, they are not. They're human, and they make mistakes, and believe it or not, pharmaceutical companies put profits over anything else, and the FDA is often there to protect them, not you.

Engineers are not perfect either. Should we stop relying on them for engineering information, too?

I trust doctors, I trust pharmaceutical companies far far far less than I would a doctor.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: Chriscross3234
Jesus... it's sad to see someone's quality of life change so dramatically

I know that the flu shot can't give you the flu because it's dead. However, two weeks ago I got the flu shot and the same evening symptoms of the flu started showing up and next thing you know I had the full blown flu. Either bad timing, got the flu shot too late, or maybe, well, you know...

The worst flu I ever came down with I got a couple days after getting my flu shot. Why? Not because the shot gave it to me, but because I'd already been exposed. It takes some time, probably a couple weeks, for your immune system to respond to the flu shot and prepare antibodies. You can still get the flu until that happens. This is why they want people to get the vaccine before the flu season is fully underway, when possible.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Personally, I have zero interest in taking the flu vaccine.

To those who think doctors and "experts" are perfect, they are not. They're human, and they make mistakes, and believe it or not, pharmaceutical companies put profits over anything else, and the FDA is often there to protect them, not you.

1976 Swine Flu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...nza#1976_U.S._outbreak

Lindsey Nagel: AZT and Government nearly killed her...
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfontrial.htm

I do not intend for this post to be anti-medicine or anti-doctor in any way. If it were not for good doctors and some good drugs, I would not have lived a very long life, I would have most likely died before the age of 10. I am only suggesting that people be cautious about what they put in their bodies and carefully weigh the risks involved.

That presupposes that people are medically qualified. That doesn't happen from reading a few links.

Also, the flu and the vaccine aren't arcane magics. They are well understood and the injection proven for decades since 30+ years ago. It breaks down to risk vs benefits. The data clearly show that the benefits outweigh the risk. One may choose to decide against the vaccine, but not for any scientifically valid reason.

 

[LinuxIdiot]

It shouldn't, cuz you're on Scare Tactics!

Sorry, watched an episode last night and right before they announce you are on the show, they ask if you are scared

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

The only correlation I'm willing to make is that you've whined about the flu vaccine several times, thus are happy to seize upon any chance to further an agenda of spreading unfounded fears of the vaccine.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q

Just for the sake of pointing out the math, there are 300 million + people in the U.S. Shit happens. Bad things happen to people all the time. On the average day, the amount of bad things that happen is a pretty large number. The goal is to have something like 150 million people vaccinated for H1N1. It would be *incredibly* unlikely for there not to be a significant number of coincidences - those stories we read about every day about the "perfectly fit" athlete who drops over dead on the football field. Well, the odds of there being quite a few cases where the "perfectly fit" person who drops over dead or has some other bad shit happen to them, coincidentally on the same day they got the flu vaccine.

This lady didn't start having problems for 10 fucking days! You seriously think there's any cause whatsoever to suspect that it's because of the flu vaccine? Any time something bad happens to someone (any time "shit happens"), those people, almost without exception, try to figure out what the one thing different that happened in their lives was. And, all too often, they place the blame squarely on that thing. Add to this the media's incredible willingness to continue the fear-mongering, simply for 1 reason - it's not about the news any more - it's about making money.

And, as far as figuring out what it was that was different in the days prior to "shit happening" - early childhood. That's when you see the onset of autism. Childhood, also the time of a person's life when they're getting a shitload of vaccinations. It would be a miracle if autism didn't start manifesting itself in some children immediately after those children got immunizations. In fact, if they didn't, you'd be able to statistically prove that those immunizations prevented or delayed autism symptoms. However, on those times when there are coincidences, the parents look for that thing that was different in the days preceding a problem. "They got a shot! That must be the cause!" and needing something to blame, that's what gets blamed. Add on to that a blonde bimbo who's famous for 3 reasons: she's got boobs, she's pretty, and she posed for Playboy - give her a wealthy hubby who's willing to allow her to spend millions on a campaign of spreading misinformation, based on this anecdotal evidence, and couple that to the media's willingness to sensationalize such stories (more readers = more profit), and you can convince the general public, regardless of the overwhelming scientific evidence that those immunizations do NOT cause autism.

*sigh* I continue to weep for humanity - there's almost a complete lack of respect for scientific progress. Have mistakes been made? Sure, someone's pointed out the g-b problems in the '76 shots (and this swine flu shouldn't even be called the swine flu, and isn't even close to what went around in '76). But, a few dozen dead one year, and that's being used by the media circus to spread the paranoia about the newest round of shots. It's shameful that nurses in NYS sued the state over H1N1 vaccine hysteria. They should be stripped of their licenses for completely disregarding their own education (or having inadequate preparation for their field.)

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

The only correlation I'm willing to make is that you've whined about the flu vaccine several times, thus are happy to seize upon any chance to further an agenda of spreading unfounded fears of the vaccine.

You're a good little soldier.

I've "whined" about the flu vaccine b/c NYS was forcing me to get it. I "whined" because I don't think they should mandate such a thing. I think it's a violation of my rights, and thankfully there is a judge who has agreed and has put a halt to it.

I think the state should mandate all male teachers get the Gardasil vaccine. It was just approved for use on males. :wine:
Would you get it if they told you that you had to or else you'd be fired?

 

[DrPizza]

Sorry, Mosh, I probably was a little too strong voiced there. I agree with you completely that there's no compelling reason for dental hygienists to get the flu shot. And, there's absolutely no compelling reason for male teachers to get the gardasil vaccine. Male teachers (hopefully) are not spreading this disease to their students. However, in the case of nurses who deal with patients, there's a VERY compelling reason for them to be vaccinated against the flu. They're dealing with patients all day long, many of whom are immuno-compromised. The amount of secondary ailments that hospitalized patients come down with is a major problem. For example, MRSA is a big problem in health care facilities. And, for things like the flu, a nurse can spread it to many patients before he/she realizes he's sick in the first place. There is little difference between demanding that nurses wash their hands between patients & demanding that they be vaccinated for the safety of their patients. If a nurse doesn't want to do either, then he/she doesn't belong in that profession. There is no compelling reason NOT to get the shot.

 

[seemingly random]

Not scared since I don't do flu shots. I do get the flu every few years, though. It's a good time to catch on sleep.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Not sure who you're correcting. You gave a link to a site that merely agrees with you that it contains a live (but weakened) virus. You did not give a link to a site that states that you can get the flu from flu mist. You can't. There are mounds of research that prove this. Please stop contributing to the problem of people spreading misinformation.

So you got sick after you got the flu mist. And a bunch of people around you got sick too. Guess what - no vaccine provides immediate immunity. You and your air force friends were just unfortunate enough to have been exposed to the flu before your immunity developed.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

The only correlation I'm willing to make is that you've whined about the flu vaccine several times, thus are happy to seize upon any chance to further an agenda of spreading unfounded fears of the vaccine.

You're a good little soldier.

I've "whined" about the flu vaccine b/c NYS was forcing me to get it. I "whined" because I don't think they should mandate such a thing. I think it's a violation of my rights, and thankfully there is a judge who has agreed and has put a halt to it.

I think the state should mandate all male teachers get the Gardasil vaccine. It was just approved for use on males. :wine:
Would you get it if they told you that you had to or else you'd be fired?

DP does have a point, though, Mosh. In that you furthered the false claim that this girl "got dystonia" from the flu shot. I'm curious as to what right mandating the flu shot violates. DP implies later on that you're a dental hygienist? I could understand how they would mandate someone in that position as it would be fairly easy to contract/spread the flu in that field.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork
Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce. Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms. Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.

Now, I'm not saying you can't get the flu after receiving the flu shot. Nor am I saying this girl doesn't have dystonia. Just that there is no causal link.

It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q

I want an apology for that mosh. That isn't even close to what Wonderful Pork said and I know you're smart enough to know better than to put those words into his mouth.

He said that there is no reason to believe the vaccine gave her the disease, not that she doesn't have the disease, dammit!

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

The only correlation I'm willing to make is that you've whined about the flu vaccine several times, thus are happy to seize upon any chance to further an agenda of spreading unfounded fears of the vaccine.

You're a good little soldier.

I've "whined" about the flu vaccine b/c NYS was forcing me to get it. I "whined" because I don't think they should mandate such a thing. I think it's a violation of my rights, and thankfully there is a judge who has agreed and has put a halt to it.

I think the state should mandate all male teachers get the Gardasil vaccine. It was just approved for use on males. :wine:
Would you get it if they told you that you had to or else you'd be fired?

Way to use an apples to oranges comparison. :roll:

Like Dr. Pizza points out, there just might be a reason for you to be mandated to be vaccinated if you're working in any health care related field.

And the fact that you'd push this bs about the girl getting this from the flu shot is...well I just hope I never get taken care of by someone who has such little rational ability when it comes to thought. Unfortunately I've found out first hand that it seems like there's plenty of scatterbrained people working places they really have no business.

Oh, and the fact that you'd try to make a comparison to male teachers and HPV is ridiculous and disgusting.

Lastly, isn't this a repost? Why does Mosh get to make a bullshit thread when its a repost? If I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize to Mosh, for the repost part.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

The only correlation I'm willing to make is that you've whined about the flu vaccine several times, thus are happy to seize upon any chance to further an agenda of spreading unfounded fears of the vaccine.

You're a good little soldier.

I've "whined" about the flu vaccine b/c NYS was forcing me to get it. I "whined" because I don't think they should mandate such a thing. I think it's a violation of my rights, and thankfully there is a judge who has agreed and has put a halt to it.

I think the state should mandate all male teachers get the Gardasil vaccine. It was just approved for use on males. :wine:
Would you get it if they told you that you had to or else you'd be fired?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil#Use_in_males

If having sex with lots of people was a job requirement of male schoolteachers? Yes, I would totally support that. Since schoolteachers of either gender don't generally have sex regularly with their students, I don't see why it should be a requirement for either males or females.

That said, teachers CAN transmit the flu to their students and should be immunized against it.

 

[Bryophyte]

Well, I my son has H1N1, and has gotten pneumonia from it (as a secondary infection.) If he had been able to get the vaccine, he probably wouldn't have suffered for over a week, and had to take antibiotics. Now we have all been exposed to it. I'd rather get the shot (and get my kids vaccinated) and have an astronomically small chance of side effects from the vaccine than to go through what my son is going through.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
When you step outside your door you are asking for trouble.

Fixed.

 

[DrPizza]

Actually, I agree with Mosh - I really think that NYS was on overkill when thye mandated that all health care workers receive the shot. Although there are minimal chances of side effects from the shot, the odds of dying from the flu (or secondary infections), greatly exceed any risks that the shot might impose. Thus, I think the people in Albany must have been thinking "we won't hear an uproar - these people are educated and should know that it's in their best interest and that of their patients to get vaccinated." Little did they know that people would be up in arms over the fact that they're being forced.

FWIW, if the latest statistics in one of my wife's nursing journals are to be believed, 76% of nurses had been vaccinated willingly in past years.

 

[syrillus]

Originally posted by: lokiju

No one should ever again eat anything from McDonalds!!!!!

You heard it here first, folks.


Also, while that is a horrible condition she has contracted, I have yet to see any evidence that the flu shot caused it. She had a flu shot 10 days before she had any symptoms, and it's the flu shot's fault? Because she, a cheerleader, said it is?

Really?


EDIT: I fail at spelling and need to sleep