Does this scare you?

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork
Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

Also:

The woman, Desiree Jennings, states in her interviews that she acquired the flu from a flu vaccine she received ten days earlier and then the symptoms of dystonia began showing.

Ten days earlier. If she didn't sit quietly in a small dark room for those ten days without exposure to any other outside influences, then who knows what it could have been. That shot was surely just one of many things she did or was exposed to during that time - and for all we know, it was a genetic degenerative thing, it was an illness acquired before she got the shot, or any number of other causes.


But "Young woman experiences sudden onset of neuro-degenerative illness" doesn't get as many viewers as "Flu shot causes brain damage!!!!"

 

[LumbergTech]

You should absolutely do research before injecting things into yourself, however, finding random scare videos or stories isn't considered research.

This anti-vaccine paranoia is dangerous...even if it does harm a small percentage of people....more people will lose a loved one from NOT getting the vaccine...

I'm not saying her problems are psychological necessarily, but what convinces you that it was because of the flu shot?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: lokiju
Oh look, I ate McDonalds and then got hit by a car on the way back to work (not a true story) that must mean that eating McDonals will cause accidents!!!

No one should ever again eat anything from McDonalds!!!!!

Just like Jenny McCarthy and her nutty rantings on vaccines causing her child autism.

Everyone likes to have something to blame random shit on though...

And that's a absolutely horrible condition she has now, I really feel for her and husband.

see sig.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

Why would you even assume that based on my previous post? and that said I think you are in the wrong debate then.

Assume I was talking about virii in the wild and their desire to get around the stopblocks vaccines put up.

What is your scientific opinion on that?

Virii aren't technically living therefore they can't have a desire to do anything...

 

[Bateluer]

I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

 

[shortylickens]

For everyone worried about the evil, malicious flu: You are MUCH more likely to be killed in a car or by a car. That includes you Amish mother fuckers too.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

But don't forget the latter part of that sentence:

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine. That means it is made from a live virus that has been designed not to cause the flu."

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Yes... you can get it, if you have something like late stage AIDS or some condition that weakens your immune system to an extreme extent... otherwise NOT A CHANCE.

The Journal of Infectious Diseases; U of Chicago

Fifty-seven human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)?infected (CDC class A1-2) and 54 non?HIV-infected adults, not prescreened for influenza susceptibility, were randomized to receive trivalent live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) or placebo intranasally. LAIV was safe and well tolerated with no serious adverse events attributable to vaccine. Reactogenicity rates were similar in LAIV and placebo recipients except that runny nose/nasal congestion was significantly more common in LAIV recipients regardless of HIV status. No prolonged shedding of LAIV was observed in HIV-infected participants. HIV RNA levels were not increased and CD4 counts were not decreased in HIV-infected LAIV recipients compared with placebo recipients after immunization.

People with HIV Aren't getting sick.

University of Colorado

243 HIV-infected children ages 5 to 18 years, who were receiving antiretroviral therapy for their condition, were randomly assigned to receive either the live influenza vaccine delivered through a nasal spray ? marketed as FluMist® ? or the inactivated vaccine traditionally given through an injection into the upper arm ? marketed as Fluzone®. At the end of the national study, both vaccines were deemed to be safe for children with HIV. The study results appear in the August 1 edition of Vaccine.

?Influenza has the potential to be more severe in children that have HIV and to cause bacterial complications, ultimately interfering with their medical care,? said Myron J. Levin, MD, professor of Pediatrics and Medicine at the UC Denver School of Medicine and lead author of the paper. ?The immune response to the live vaccine in HIV-infected children was very similar to the immune response in non-HIV-infected children, so we can say it can be used in stable, HIV-positive pediatric patients without safety concerns.?

Scientists that know what they're talking about > You


Hmm, the 0.000000000001% chance something bad happens from getting the flu shot, or 4% chance you'll need hospitalization from Influenza this season, decisions, decisions.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Except she got the flu shot not the mist. Which means you are wrong. You can't get the flu from the dead virus found in the shot.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Except she got the flu shot not the mist. Which means you are wrong. You can't get the flu from the dead virus found in the shot.

It's not actually even dead virus, it is the proteins of the virus, aka parts of the virus. The shot contains nothing but the proteins for your antibodies to latch and adapt to.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Except she got the flu shot not the mist. Which means you are wrong. You can't get the flu from the dead virus found in the shot.

It's not actually even dead virus, it is the proteins of the virus, aka parts of the virus. The shot contains nothing but the proteins for your antibodies to latch and adapt to.

The shot isn't too bad, only a few days of relatively mild flu-like symptoms for me. FluMist puts me down for two weeks though, and I'm young, healthy, and in excellent shape. Don't give me any crap about having a weakened immune system or HIV BS.

And I'm not the only one who gets ill from FluMist. Every base I was stationed at during Flu season had half the personnel get sick when they started pushing it. You didn't have a choice, the USAF didn't acquire the shot, only the nasal variety.

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I am getting so sick of correcting people on this. You absolutely can get the flu from the flu vaccine. While the shot uses a dead flu virus, the nasal vaccines use a live virus. This live virus means that only can you get the flu, but if you've touched your nose, you have live virus on your fingers, which you spread to your keys, currency, cell phone, and other people.

I have stated this in flu vaccine threads before and nobody seems to pay any attention. Or I just lose track of the thread because the search function is broke and I never follow up.

Link to FluMist site to prove my point yet again.

"Like the chicken pox vaccine, FluMist is a weakened live virus vaccine."

Except she got the flu shot not the mist. Which means you are wrong. You can't get the flu from the dead virus found in the shot.

It's not actually even dead virus, it is the proteins of the virus, aka parts of the virus. The shot contains nothing but the proteins for your antibodies to latch and adapt to.

The shot isn't too bad, only a few days of relatively mild flu-like symptoms for me. FluMist puts me down for two weeks though, and I'm young, healthy, and in excellent shape. Don't give me any crap about having a weakened immune system or HIV BS.

And I'm not the only one who gets ill from FluMist. Every base I was stationed at during Flu season had half the personnel get sick when they started pushing it. You didn't have a choice, the USAF didn't acquire the shot, only the nasal variety.

Havent seen you in forever...Still a military man?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

Why would you even assume that based on my previous post? and that said I think you are in the wrong debate then.

Assume I was talking about virii in the wild and their desire to get around the stopblocks vaccines put up.

What is your scientific opinion on that?

Virii aren't technically living therefore they can't have a desire to do anything...

technically they are, sort of, alive... (it is life, but not living... no other way to describe it) and have desire. A single desire. One innate to all life - make more life.
For pathogens, the desire is to replicate as much as possible. In doing so, that means infecting more. The goal is to create many clones, so that one of the clones can find its way to wherever is necessary to create more clones.
It has no mental desire, just a survival mechanism. So it's not thinking what it wants to do, it just does what must be done to keep the species doing what it does.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
She looks like one of those dancers in a Missy Elliot video.

lmao...terrible

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: JM Aggie08

Originally posted by: amdhunter
She looks like one of those dancers in a Missy Elliot video.

lmao...terrible

Wanna see something even more terrible?

Somebody put up a re-mix. :Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gj5_PFbVo

 

[Virtual Conan]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

What a shame. Poor young woman.

 

[Chriscross3234]

Jesus... it's sad to see someone's quality of life change so dramatically

I know that the flu shot can't give you the flu because it's dead. However, two weeks ago I got the flu shot and the same evening symptoms of the flu started showing up and next thing you know I had the full blown flu. Either bad timing, got the flu shot too late, or maybe, well, you know...

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
There is no evidence presented that indicates the flu shot had anything to do with her condition.

This.

These. There is absolutely no reason to claim that the dystonia manifested as a direct result of the flu shot.

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork
Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce. Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms. Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.

Now, I'm not saying you can't get the flu after receiving the flu shot. Nor am I saying this girl doesn't have dystonia. Just that there is no causal link.

It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q

While I can't say one way or the other whether her dystonia has a psychological component or not, you can't completely discount it either. It is a possibility, even though it may be a slim one.

 

[bamacre]

Personally, I have zero interest in taking the flu vaccine.

To those who think doctors and "experts" are perfect, they are not. They're human, and they make mistakes, and believe it or not, pharmaceutical companies put profits over anything else, and the FDA is often there to protect them, not you.

1976 Swine Flu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...nza#1976_U.S._outbreak

Lindsey Nagel: AZT and Government nearly killed her...
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfontrial.htm

I do not intend for this post to be anti-medicine or anti-doctor in any way. If it were not for good doctors and some good drugs, I would not have lived a very long life, I would have most likely died before the age of 10. I am only suggesting that people be cautious about what they put in their bodies and carefully weigh the risks involved.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Chriscross3234
Jesus... it's sad to see someone's quality of life change so dramatically

I know that the flu shot can't give you the flu because it's dead. However, two weeks ago I got the flu shot and the same evening symptoms of the flu started showing up and next thing you know I had the full blown flu. Either bad timing, got the flu shot too late, or maybe, well, you know...

The flu shot is just a guesstimate of what types of flu are going to hit this season. It doesn't contain all the flu viruses there are. (yes, they are disabled viruses, i know that. unless you take the nasal mist). So, while you can't get the flu from the flu vaccine, you can still get some kinds of flu not in the vaccine.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JM Aggie08

Originally posted by: amdhunter
She looks like one of those dancers in a Missy Elliot video.

lmao...terrible

Wanna see something even more terrible?

Somebody put up a re-mix. :Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gj5_PFbVo

oh my god, I laughed... I am a terrible person

To take it farther... I'd hit it

 

[Chriscross3234]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Chriscross3234
Jesus... it's sad to see someone's quality of life change so dramatically

I know that the flu shot can't give you the flu because it's dead. However, two weeks ago I got the flu shot and the same evening symptoms of the flu started showing up and next thing you know I had the full blown flu. Either bad timing, got the flu shot too late, or maybe, well, you know...

The flu shot is just a guesstimate of what types of flu are going to hit this season. It doesn't contain all the flu viruses there are. (yes, they are disabled viruses, i know that. unless you take the nasal mist). So, while you can't get the flu from the flu vaccine, you can still get some kinds of flu not in the vaccine.

Yup, like I said, bad timing... but I still feel jipped!

 

[dbk]

I can't even remember the last time i got a flu shot.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Personally, I have zero interest in taking the flu vaccine.

To those who think doctors and "experts" are perfect, they are not. They're human, and they make mistakes, and believe it or not, pharmaceutical companies put profits over anything else, and the FDA is often there to protect them, not you.

1976 Swine Flu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...nza#1976_U.S._outbreak

"Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did"

Hmm, maybe that's because the people were... vaccinated against the disease? Looking at the relative frequencies, it looks like the vaccine probably killed 2 or 3 people for 48 million vaccinated. Is that unfortunate? Yes. Is that any reason not to get vaccinated? Maybe when I stop driving to work for fear of dying in a car accident.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: bamacre
To those who think doctors and "experts" are perfect, they are not. They're human, and they make mistakes, and believe it or not, pharmaceutical companies put profits over anything else, and the FDA is often there to protect them, not you.

Engineers are not perfect either. Should we stop relying on them for engineering information, too?