Does this scare you?

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Chryso
She's kind of hot.

I wonder if you hit it backwards if she'd be normal or not.

 

[mchammer187]

I think there would be evidence of other people getting dystonia from the flu shot. So far she is the only one out of billions (if you count all the years) of doses of seasonal flu vaccine makes me think it is all in her head.

More people have gotten the flu shot and have been struck by lightning than have gotten the shot and gotten dystonia. Does that mean getting struck by lightning is a result of the flu shot?

Also it says she got the flu after she got the shot. I would be more inclined to blame the flu than the shot because the shot cannot give you the flu. So she either got a strain that the shot did not protect against or she got the flu before she had immunity which she would have gotten from the shot.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I haven't looked into this ladies condition and any other reports of it happening due to a flu shot, but as a parent of a child with autism, I can speak on the debate on whether the mercury laden MMR (mumps measles and rubella) vaccine was a cause of my daughter and others autism.

I want in no way to diminish the seriousness of your circumstance, but let's assume for the sake of argument that the MMR vaccine does cause autism in some children.

How many children end up autistic or with other complications, versus how many would die/have lifelong issues as a result of contracting measles, mumps or rubella?

I don't know the answer, but I'd imagine you don't either. Most people I've seen who make the anti-vaccine argument are worried about the potential negative side effects of the vaccine, yet never seem concerned at all with the potential effects of NOT having it.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q

Yeah, that's a rational, reasonable, logical response and not some cheap appeal to emotion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatoform_disorder

I'll continue to trust doctors who have the best understanding the scientific cause of disease and not some tabloid style shock piece of news trash designed to scare people.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

MRSA/VSRA are bacteria not virii.

Are you suggesting that vaccines are contributing to more resistant bacteria?

Cos thats bullshit on so many levels its hurting my head.

 

[sutahz]

Getting dystonia from a flu shot? No that doesn't scare me.
Is there a story out there that states there is a high probability between her dystonia & getting a vaccine?
It's kinda like if you get vaccinated then a few days later you have a miscarriage. Are the 2 connected? Probably not just a coincidence.

 

[slayer202]

that is weirdddd. she can walk backwards and run fine, and she can talk normally when doing those? thats fucked up...

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
There is no evidence presented that indicates the flu shot had anything to do with her condition.

This. Would not scare me even if it was the cause.

KT

 

[lokiju]

Oh look, I ate McDonalds and then got hit by a car on the way back to work (not a true story) that must mean that eating McDonals will cause accidents!!!

No one should ever again eat anything from McDonalds!!!!!

Just like Jenny McCarthy and her nutty rantings on vaccines causing her child autism.

Everyone likes to have something to blame random shit on though...

And that's a absolutely horrible condition she has now, I really feel for her and husband.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
There is no evidence presented that indicates the flu shot had anything to do with her condition.

This. Would not scare me even if it was the cause.

KT

True story, my mother teaches 2nd grade and a couple years ago she had like half a dozen kid come down with whooping cough. Whole school was put under quarantine and all the kids had to get shots. The kids who got sick almost died and have permanent scaring on their lungs from the disease.

But vaccines r bad 4 joo amirite?

 

[Appledrop]

those who fund research into such vaccines such as the rockefeller foundation, well.. they are all about population control and don't care about you one bit
i wouldnt trust any vaccinations. infact, some of the swine flue vaccines even say on the shot they may cause fertitity problems.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
When you inject a foreign body/organism into your system you are asking for trouble.

and thats...why she wont have sex with you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

And Mosh, the "evidence" you linked to was her saying that's what caused it. That's not causal.

Not only that, but there is no evidence (beside her claim) that the vaccine has ever caused this condition. I can tell you that on average seasonal flu kills about 36k people in the US.

So we have tens of thousands die vs. one one unsubstituted case of dystonia. To put it in perspective, never cross the street, because your chances of being struck and killed are infinitely greater than falling victim to a case of something that's doubtfully connected to the shot. In fact you are more likely to be struck by a meteor. I'm not going to hide in the basement.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

Why would you even assume that based on my previous post? and that said I think you are in the wrong debate then.

Assume I was talking about virii in the wild and their desire to get around the stopblocks vaccines put up.

What is your scientific opinion on that?

 

[alkemyst]

Over vaccinating in general has lead the animal side of things to go to 3 year rabies vaccines in almost every county (may be all counties now).

The Rabies vaccine is good for up to 7 years.

There is a lot on kidney failure in cats and small dogs pointing back to this as well as toxic shock.

 

[frostedflakes]

It doesn't scare me any more than getting hit by a car while driving, or the millions of other things I do that could potentially injure or kill me.

And as others have pointed out, it doesn't sound like there's any compelling explanation to support that this was due to the flu vaccine. It's a fallacy, cum hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because she got this after receiving the flu shot doesn't necessarily mean that's what caused it.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

And Mosh, the "evidence" you linked to was her saying that's what caused it. That's not causal.

Not only that, but there is no evidence (beside her claim) that the vaccine has ever caused this condition. I can tell you that on average seasonal flu kills about 36k people in the US.

So we have tens of thousands die vs. one one unsubstituted case of dystonia. To put it in perspective, never cross the street, because your chances of being struck and killed are infinitely greater than falling victim to a case of something that's doubtfully connected to the shot. In fact you are more likely to be struck by a meteor. I'm not going to hide in the basement.

and if your not in a risk group, don't bother with vaccines, imho.

As I stated before, certain viruses and bacteria are definitely worthwhile to get a vaccine for (bacteria vaccines: meningitis (hib), diphtheria, tetanus).

Other infectious agents, in which an individual is not in a risk group for, just aren't worthwhile. Again, I'm definitely not against vaccinations, and have seen zero evidence supporting autism linked to the MMR vaccination. Just, I'm all about practicality. Why get a vaccine for something that, if you are not in a risk group, simply causes a few days of misery that rarely requires hospitalization. The only one really notable here in the seasonal flu shot. There have been quite a few years where the prediction was not widely accurate, and/or a different influenza strain simply picked up the slack due to one of the predicted strains being stopped in its tracks. Multiple strains float around each season, depending on which ones have had trouble or success in navigating the masses around the world.
So if you are healthy, why get a vaccine that might not even work? The risk for complications is seriously low, and that's not necessarily the reason why I don't get the seasonal vaccine. I find it a waste, I'd rather not throw some vial of junk into my immune system if it's not really a dire concern. Flu, to me, is not a concern. It's a shitty week but I move on, and get lifetime immunity to that strain, in most cases. I don't get the flu every year, I've had it quite a bit in my life and I'm starting to stock up on immunity.

But infectious agents that have a high risk for just about everyone? Sign me up please.
Still not entirely sure what I will do with H1N1. Currently being given to the high risk people (including medical workers), when it becomes available I'll probably make a hasty decision one way or the other. So far while I realize the potential risk of the strain, again, I'd like to see my body handle things on its own.

 

[gururu2]

vaccines are for population protection. they aren't intended to protect the indivdual. w/o them, you get some random fool getting some weird disease from some fkd up place or event and then he/she re-enters our space contaminating the population, killing hundreds or thousands. the way by which we are capable of being anywhere in the world at any time is the sole reason that vaccines are so important. if 1 out of 10,000 has an adverse reaction, its a small price to pay if it means its going to save thousands.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

And Mosh, the "evidence" you linked to was her saying that's what caused it. That's not causal.

Not only that, but there is no evidence (beside her claim) that the vaccine has ever caused this condition. I can tell you that on average seasonal flu kills about 36k people in the US.

So we have tens of thousands die vs. one one unsubstituted case of dystonia. To put it in perspective, never cross the street, because your chances of being struck and killed are infinitely greater than falling victim to a case of something that's doubtfully connected to the shot. In fact you are more likely to be struck by a meteor. I'm not going to hide in the basement.

and if your not in a risk group, don't bother with vaccines, imho.

As I stated before, certain viruses and bacteria are definitely worthwhile to get a vaccine for (bacteria vaccines: meningitis (hib), diphtheria, tetanus).

Other infectious agents, in which an individual is not in a risk group for, just aren't worthwhile. Again, I'm definitely not against vaccinations, and have seen zero evidence supporting autism linked to the MMR vaccination. Just, I'm all about practicality. Why get a vaccine for something that, if you are not in a risk group, simply causes a few days of misery that rarely requires hospitalization. The only one really notable here in the seasonal flu shot. There have been quite a few years where the prediction was not widely accurate, and/or a different influenza strain simply picked up the slack due to one of the predicted strains being stopped in its tracks. Multiple strains float around each season, depending on which ones have had trouble or success in navigating the masses around the world.
So if you are healthy, why get a vaccine that might not even work? The risk for complications is seriously low, and that's not necessarily the reason why I don't get the seasonal vaccine. I find it a waste, I'd rather not throw some vial of junk into my immune system if it's not really a dire concern. Flu, to me, is not a concern. It's a shitty week but I move on, and get lifetime immunity to that strain, in most cases. I don't get the flu every year, I've had it quite a bit in my life and I'm starting to stock up on immunity.

But infectious agents that have a high risk for just about everyone? Sign me up please.
Still not entirely sure what I will do with H1N1. Currently being given to the high risk people (including medical workers), when it becomes available I'll probably make a hasty decision one way or the other. So far while I realize the potential risk of the strain, again, I'd like to see my body handle things on its own.

Sounds like basically my view. The only area where I differ is that I am not actually the only one who suffers if I get the flu?I could transfer it to coworkers or friends, and they might be in at-risk groups or know people in at-risk groups. In my case, I'm lucky in that I have a good job that gives me enough sick leave that I can just stay home, but some businesses not only don't offer paid sick leave, they actually fire their employees even if they bring in a doctor's note. Which, as a result, just causes the people who work there to come in anyway and infect more people, which costs them a whole lot more money in the long run.

I usually get the seasonal flu shot for that reason (to avoid transferring it to others), but since I'm a healthy adult with available sick time it's not the end of the world if I do get sick. But for people who are at risk, such as my girlfriend (in college), one of her best friends (pregnant), the elderly, and children/teens, they should all definitely get vaccinated. Again, the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages. If tens or hundreds of millions of people in the US get vaccinated, you'll see just a handful of cases of them getting hospitalized, and most of those will have little or no actual science linking the vaccine to any detrimental health effects. But if the same people didn't get vaccinated, there would be thousands of deaths unquestionably caused by the virus.

 

[RedArmy]

I bet she's a freak in bed.

/going to hell

 

[SlitheryDee]

Even the tiniest possibility of that happening scares me, but I engage in risky activity every day if the benefit seems to outweigh the risks. I'd still get a vaccine if the probability of something like that happening as a result were small, as it is in this case.

I also worry about the possibility of a micro-meteorite shooting through my body like a bullet out of the blue one day. I can't think of a practical way to minimize that risk, but it does bother me on about the same level as the possibility of developing dystonia from a flu vaccine.

 

[TridenT]

Damn. She can run and talk normal... If that was the only way I could communicate and do shit normally you'd see me on a treadmill almost 24/7 while I talk to people. I'd be the worlds best marathon runner for sure!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wow that's a very interesting (and terrible) disease. I did not figure the flu shot could actually possibly have any permanent side effects. It's only dead flu cells afaik.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

I hope you aren't talking about the vaccine itself, because it's a dead virus. I think it's safe to assume it's not a zombie.

Why would you even assume that based on my previous post? and that said I think you are in the wrong debate then.

Assume I was talking about virii in the wild and their desire to get around the stopblocks vaccines put up.

What is your scientific opinion on that?

My opinion is that 36 thousand people will die if they don't get the vaccine, and that the influenza virus naturally mutates anyway. That's why they have to make something different every year. You have a situation where the virus will mutate and you get sick or the virus mutates and you don't. I'll stay healthy.

The vaccine works, it's benefits outweigh the risks for the overwhelming majority of people. As a health professional, I have no problems with myself or my family getting it, and with my son having mild to moderate asthma, it makes sense.

 

[KeithP]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

Nope, doesn't scare me.

By the way, I think Elaine had the same thing.

-KeithP