Does this man ever tell the truth?

[Corn]

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

Clinton: "I tried to walk a fine line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish this goal and am certain my responses to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false,"

Here Clinton doesn't state he was "mistaken", he comes right out and admits his statements were done purposely.

The only reason Clinton wasn't "convicted" of perjury was because he settled the case with Ray.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

That's a good out for politicians.

"Sorry I promised you one million jobs were going to be created. I thought there would be...I was mistaken..."

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

So it's your contention tha Clinton didn't commit perjury?

Was he untruthful? Probably

Did he commit perjury under legal definitions? No

Does it matter? Not in my opinion.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

What could've been used as proof of his intent to lie?
Just curious, how does one prove that?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl


Here

That page is well done.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

So it's your contention tha Clinton didn't commit perjury?

Was he untruthful? Probably

Did he commit perjury under legal definitions? No

Does it matter? Not in my opinion.

Well the Arkansas and US Supreme Court disagree. And their opinion does matter.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

It's ok to lie under oath as long as your lie has no direct bearing on the case? Like, if I raised my right hand and swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...I don't really have to do that?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Does it matter? Not in my opinion.

It doesn't matter if our president commits perjury?

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: BDawg

Does it matter? Not in my opinion.

It doesn't matter if our president commits perjury?

I think what Clinton did is not desirable (and as I said, not perjury), but far less wrong than how Bush engineered a war against Iraq.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

It's ok to lie under oath as long as your lie has no direct bearing on the case? Like, if I raised my right hand and swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...I don't really have to do that?

I didn't say it was right. I said it wasn't perjury.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: BDawg

Does it matter? Not in my opinion.

It doesn't matter if our president commits perjury?

I think what Clinton did is not desirable (and as I said, not perjury), but far less wrong than how Bush engineered a war against Iraq.

He could've been mistaken

 

[flavio]

Ever notice how people like to gloss over any Bush wrongdoings by pointing at someone else?

As if that makes it ok or something in their minds.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: flavio
Ever notice how people like to gloss over any Bush wrongdoings by pointing at someone else?

As if that makes it ok or something in their minds.

And they'll probably respond to your post by attacking you ... because, like Bush, they don't like being accountable for their own behavior. Reminds me of my children.

 

[Tab]

NAME ONE PRESIDENT WHO HAS KEPT ALL OF HIS PROMISES!

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Tabb
NAME ONE PRESIDENT WHO HAS KEPT ALL OF HIS PROMISES!

The next one. And that's a promise.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: flavio
Ever notice how people like to gloss over any Bush wrongdoings by pointing at someone else?

As if that makes it ok or something in their minds.

Ah but you are assuming what Bush did was wrong. That is just your opinion. As far as i can tell it wasn't a legal violation on the other hand one hell of an argument can be made for the illegality of Slick Willys alleged perjury.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: flavio
Ever notice how people like to gloss over any Bush wrongdoings by pointing at someone else?

As if that makes it ok or something in their minds.

Ah but you are assuming what Bush did was wrong. That is just your opinion. As far as i can tell it wasn't a legal violation on the other hand one hell of an argument can be made for the illegality of Slick Willys alleged perjury.

There's no argument about it. He's guilty.

As for the OP and the whining of flavio, there is a difference between lying and rhetoric. It was clearly layed out in the website she praised earlier. I'm still waiting for her to answer CPA's question about Clinton.

 

[flavio]

The president lying and misleading the country is wrong whether or not it is illegal and whether or not it was Clinton then or Bush now.

Lies regarding political issues concern me much more than sexual matters though...and lies by the current administration are much more relevant than the ones of past administrations.

But people will continue to avoid current issues and make excuses for Bush by pointing elsewhere. It's just too difficult to address the issue at hand.

 

[Red Dawn]

I actually believe that Dubya believes what he is saying. He has total faith in those who are telling him what to say and do! Dubya couldn't lie to the American People purposely and get away with it. He's just not mentally capable of pulling it off. Though he might be a C student, he's an honest C Student.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Ultra quiet is right, it's political rhetoric common practice in politcs. Bush just happens to be really sloppy with his rhetoric, it appears political speech making was never his strong point.

Could you honestly say which President was the last to write his own speeches? I absolutely have no idea, but I suspect that ended quite some time ago or has only occurred in limited cases.

clinton

 

[Mean MrMustard]

How we went from questioning the truth of Bush to saying it is OK because Clinton did it, I will never know...

While we are on Clinton, what does the business of the federal government of the United States have in questioning Clinton on his sex life?

If he was accused of sexual assault or rape, obviously it would be an issue. But outside that, it is a matter between him and his wife. Now, if she would have brought charges, it would have been a different story. Instead, a certain Ms. Tripp had to be prodded to testify and here we are today... judging Bush's actions on Clinton.

If Clinton was such a bad president, why do all of you "self-proclaimed" conservatives base his success on Clinton? It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

By the way, no, I am not a Clinton sympathizer.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Show me a politician that doesn't lie and I'll show you a corpse.
Does that make it right? No. But we as a populace deserve what we get in the white house and deserve to get lied to if we constantly vote liars into the office. The problem is the only way for a candidate to get our vote is to lie to us. Vicious cycle, I don't have a solution