Does this man ever tell the truth?

Zebo

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President of the Firefighters Union to say, ?President Bush, don't lionize our fallen brothers in one breath, and then st*b us in the back by eliminating funding for our members to fight terrorism and stay safe.?

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The President of the Virginia firefighters association said, ?The president has merely been using firefighters and their families for one big photo opportunity.?

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UltraQuiet

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Do you understand what political rhetoric is?

Promising to end the gay ban in the military and ending up with don't ask, don't tell.
Promising to put 100,000 new cops on the street then cutting the funding after one year.
Promising to "ensure that our men and women in the military have all the tools they need" then cutting the Defense budget by a hundred billion.

A better question would be "Does any politician ever tell the truth?"

Oh, and of course everyone's favorite - "Read my lips, no new taxes."
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: flavio
Maybe you have.


No actually I haven't. When I say we I meant the nation collectively.

Of course when you are looking to rip someone what is really political rhetoric and campaign promises, suddenly become "lies".
 

sMiLeYz

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Ultra quiet is right, it's political rhetoric common practice in politcs. Bush just happens to be really sloppy with his rhetoric, it appears political speech making was never his strong point.



 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Ultra quiet is right, it's political rhetoric common practice in politcs. Bush just happens to be really sloppy with his rhetoric, it appears political speech making was never his strong point.

Could you honestly say which President was the last to write his own speeches? I absolutely have no idea, but I suspect that ended quite some time ago or has only occurred in limited cases.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I think you are missing the point. No one doubts that Bush or any of his immediate predecessors rarely writes significant components of the State of the Union, inaugurals, campaign speeches, or other "events". But when you ask Bush a question his answers are either canned (he gives some rant about freedom, democracy, lower taxes, fighting terrorism) or extemporaneous (off the cuff remarks which only make sense if you parse his words and create your own meaning). In either case, he apparently doesn't know what he's talking about or he has trouble with the truth. As opposed to Clinton who was a polished lying politician, Bush lacks the polish.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
As opposed to Clinton who was a polished lying politician, Bush lacks the polish.
Yeah, hopefully Bush will spend time at the Political Rhetoric Finishing School sometime before the next election, or maybe the voters will vote in a more polished liar. In either case, I hope the next president is not so mundane a liar; a little vaseline always makes it more pleasant.

 

Alistar7

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I'm not sure what that means really, just felt like saying it, but IMHO Bush might be better off going into one of those monastarys that require you to take a vow of silence.....

Can we have him just hold up cards with "his" comments on them for us to read?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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In either case, I hope the next president is not so mundane a liar; a little vaseline always makes it more pleasant.

Hey, watch the language . . . there are children on the board.
 

DZip

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Why is it the Federal Governments responsibility to fund local public services? If the residents of the community don't support the firefighters, why should Washington? This is a classical example of liberal thinking. Create a big government that controls funding of the local communities so they have control. The more control, the more power required. It?s about power and control, not helping the citizens. If you don't believe that just look at what is happening with the confirmation of the two judges. The Democrats are filibustering to prevent the confirmation vote. They continue to waste time (showing their power) rather than voting and getting on with what they were elected to do.

It really doesn't matter what is mis-quoted and mis-represented, the incumbent party is always blamed and the blamers always would have done a better job. This is an American tradition. It continues after the blamers get elected and the roll changes.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: flavio
Apparently we should just ignore it when the president lies.

Just out of curiosity, how did you react when Clinton perjured himself?

 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
President of the Firefighters Union to say, ?President Bush, don't lionize our fallen brothers in one breath, and then st*b us in the back by eliminating funding for our members to fight terrorism and stay safe.?

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The President of the Virginia firefighters association said, ?The president has merely been using firefighters and their families for one big photo opportunity.?

Here

What else do you expect out of the Union leadership? Do you honestly expect the unions to say anything nice about a republican?
 

SViscusi

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Originally posted by: DZip
Why is it the Federal Governments responsibility to fund local public services? If the residents of the community don't support the firefighters, why should Washington?
It's not, but don't lie and say something is important and that you support it and campaign on it, then go and cut funding wyhen it's no longer politically beneficial for you.

It's like a kid with a toy. He plays with it (the issue), until it's no longer fun (he can't get any more votes from it), then tosses it in a pile.

I don't give a crap about him cutting funding for programs so much as I find it very crappy that he campaigns on the issue to drum up support for his programs.

God how I hate politicians.

 

ConclamoLudus

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Its too bad a president would never get elected by under-promising and over-delivering :p
Too many damn votes to get and too many damn people to please. You gotta lie to somebody...sadly
It is true though that the nation, time and time again, forgets that politicians lie. They HAVE to lie though. There is no way that a president can drum up some kind of majority without promising as much as he can to as many people as he can, and then once in office he unfortunately has to choose who to screw over.

Happens every administration...of course some worse than others I suppose...
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: DZip
Why is it the Federal Governments responsibility to fund local public services? If the residents of the community don't support the firefighters, why should Washington? This is a classical example of liberal thinking. Create a big government that controls funding of the local communities so they have control. The more control, the more power required. It?s about power and control, not helping the citizens.

Wasn't there a federal mandate to beef up and prepare local fire/police agencies for terrorism response? Forcing local services to expend a lot of money with the promise of a payback from the feds which hasn't come?

 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Gaard
Lying under oath.

Nooo...lying under oath is not perjury unless the charges are material to the case.

Also, no one ever proved that Clinton intended to lie and wasn't just mistaken.

So it's your contention tha Clinton didn't commit perjury?