Does this even make sense?

[txrandom]

{Big Public School} is an equal opportunity, affirmative action
employer committed to diversity.

How can you be equal opportunity when you are looking to feel quotas for people of certain races?

 

[waggy]

hey! great thing i got some hot dogs. this is a great flame bait thread! woot!

 

[RedArmy]

God I love feeling quotas. I wish I could do it every day.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: RedArmy
God I love feeling quotas. I wish I could do it every day.

Especially minority quotas... mmmmm.... minority....

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: RedArmy
God I love feeling quotas. I wish I could do it every day.

Especially minority quotas... mmmmm.... minority....

pedophile! :|

 

[sactoking]

Not necessarily, could be dat latin azz dat he likez

 

[destrekor]

I'll bite.

I hate affirmative action. A terrible choice to implement. Instead of getting the best candidates for employment and schools, you accept more minorities just to fill quotas.
I have absolutely no problem with minorities being chosen to fill spots, but not if they are not as qualified as someone else. Race should never be something even considered, for anything. No handouts dammit. Too socialized of a practice, where you attempt to even things out, but only make things worse. Make everyone compete, and our schools will improve, employers will improve, etc etc.

 

[Rumpltzer]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: RedArmy
God I love feeling quotas. I wish I could do it every day.

Especially minority quotas... mmmmm.... minority....

pedophile! :|

Hey, don't judge! Grass on the field man; grass on the field.

 

[sandorski]

Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I love the misconceptions about affirmative action. People think that a company, given a choice between a white Harvard educated Rhodes scholar and a black crack addict will be forced to choose the crack addict because of affirmative action. Affirmative action only says that when employers are given candidates with two EQUAL backgrounds, the company has to choose the minority. I admit, I don't like affirmative action because it forces employers' hands, but I can recognize the need for some program to curb racism in hiring decisions. Frankly, I'd just execute all the racists en masse, but apparently that's too "extreme" for some people (fucking liberal hippies).

 

[txrandom]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

 

[txrandom]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I love the misconceptions about affirmative action. People think that a company, given a choice between a white Harvard educated Rhodes scholar and a black crack addict will be forced to choose the crack addict because of affirmative action. Affirmative action only says that when employers are given candidates with two EQUAL backgrounds, the company has to choose the minority. I admit, I don't like affirmative action because it forces employers' hands, but I can recognize the need for some program to curb racism in hiring decisions. Frankly, I'd just execute all the racists en masse, but apparently that's too "extreme" for some people (fucking liberal hippies).

True, but there are still quotas. The government mandates in some areas that a certain percentage of the workforce must be women and/or minorities.

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[sandorski]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

"Equal Opportunity", meaning all People of all Races, Creeds, etc have Opportunity. Quotas hire a variety of Persons. Both are fulfilled.

 

[txrandom]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

"Equal Opportunity", meaning all People of all Races, Creeds, etc have Opportunity. Quotas hire a variety of Persons. Both are fulfilled.

There are no quotas for non-minorities though. All things equal, minorities have a "more than" equal chance of getting the job.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

"Equal Opportunity", meaning all People of all Races, Creeds, etc have Opportunity. Quotas hire a variety of Persons. Both are fulfilled.

There are no quotas for non-minorities though. All things equal, minorities have a "more than" equal chance of getting the job.

This is where you and others confuse yourselves. X Amount might have that, just not Infinite Amount.

Quotas/AA exist because there was a Need for it. One day that Need will end. Until then enjoy the fact that you don't have Need of similar consideration.

 

[txrandom]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

"Equal Opportunity", meaning all People of all Races, Creeds, etc have Opportunity. Quotas hire a variety of Persons. Both are fulfilled.

There are no quotas for non-minorities though. All things equal, minorities have a "more than" equal chance of getting the job.

This is where you and others confuse yourselves. X Amount might have that, just not Infinite Amount.

Quotas/AA exist because there was a Need for it. One day that Need will end. Until then enjoy the fact that you don't have Need of similar consideration.

What's the need?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: sandorski
Makes perfect sense to everyone except the "OMG Reverse Racism, WTF" crowd. The 2 points reinforce each other.

How?

So rather than hiring the best person for the job, you may go ahead and hire a minority who doesn't appear to be as good of a candidate because you really need to fill the quota>

"Equal Opportunity", meaning all People of all Races, Creeds, etc have Opportunity. Quotas hire a variety of Persons. Both are fulfilled.

There are no quotas for non-minorities though. All things equal, minorities have a "more than" equal chance of getting the job.

This is where you and others confuse yourselves. X Amount might have that, just not Infinite Amount.

Quotas/AA exist because there was a Need for it. One day that Need will end. Until then enjoy the fact that you don't have Need of similar consideration.

What's the need?

Read some History.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Affirmative action only says that when employers are given candidates with two EQUAL backgrounds, the company has to choose the minority.

So how can that be EQUAL opportunity if race does play a role?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sandorski


This is where you and others confuse yourselves. X Amount might have that, just not Infinite Amount.

Quotas/AA exist because there was a Need for it. One day that Need will end. Until then enjoy the fact that you don't have Need of similar consideration.

I'm hoping that one day in the distant future, race relations will improve to the point that we may even see the people of America consider electing a black man president.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sandorski


This is where you and others confuse yourselves. X Amount might have that, just not Infinite Amount.

Quotas/AA exist because there was a Need for it. One day that Need will end. Until then enjoy the fact that you don't have Need of similar consideration.

I'm hoping that one day in the distant future, race relations will improve to the point that we may even see the people of America consider electing a black man president.

That's kind of a moot point to the discussion, but Obama is a good sign of Progress on the greater issue. I suspect that AA/Quotas are soon to be unnecessary, but the whole "Reverse Racism" mantra has been wailed about from the very begining of the program. The cries seem quite disingenuous and motivated by the same reasons the early cries were. Maybe they are no longer for the same reasons, but they should be expressed more tactfully if they are not.

 

[Paladin3]

MLK said he wanted his children to live in a world where they were judged by the content of the character, but Affirmative Action dictates that we first consider the color of their skin. This is the answer to racism? Racism will continue until we are colorblind and AA quotas, official or not, end.

 

[Kirby]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: destrekor
I'll bite.

I hate affirmative action. A terrible choice to implement. Instead of getting the best candidates for employment and schools, you accept more minorities just to fill quotas.
I have absolutely no problem with minorities being chosen to fill spots, but not if they are not as qualified as someone else. Race should never be something even considered, for anything. No handouts dammit. Too socialized of a practice, where you attempt to even things out, but only make things worse. Make everyone compete, and our schools will improve, employers will improve, etc etc.

This is true, but as it is most companies don't hire or promote based off who's qualified. I can't count the number of white people I've worked with who has no business in the position they had. I had managers who had to come to me daily to ask questions about a fucking product that they should know like the back of their hands.

A.A. gets the spotlight because it singles out minorities, I don't agree with it but seeing how non minorities get jobs all the damn time they don't deserve simply because they're White. I think A.A is only fair. Until hiring across the board is equal no change should be put into place. At least with A.A. some of the positions that would normally only go to unqualified White people can go to unqualified minorities. I think it's only fair

A good example, my GF is a woman of color, she has been with the same company for 20 years now. She has gotten raises, but never a promotion offer. She has seen probably 15 different white people get hired after her and become her manager. Most if not all of them didn't know how the shit she did and constantly relied on her for help because they were in positions they didn't deserve. She will NEVER get a promotion, gee I wonder why?

A.A. isn't giving minorities CEO level jobs, most of them are mail room or something unimportant. Companies that don't hire minorities and only do it for A.A. reasons will tend to hire them for shit jobs just to get the government off their back.

to Paladin3, sounds great except, without A.A. minorities will be extra screwed. you realize A.A. wasn't put in place to give them an advantage right? Without A.A. the number of minorities getting hired will drop a lot. Even with A.A. in place the advantages Whites have FAR OUTWEIGH the few shitty jobs here and there an Asian or Black person will get due to it. Remember Whites still get hired regardless for most jobs.

 

[Paladin3]

Originally posted by: QueBert
This is true, but as it is most companies don't hire or promote based off who's qualified. I can't count the number of white people I've worked with who has no business in the position they had. I had managers who had to come to me daily to ask questions about a fucking product that they should know like the back of their hands.

A.A. gets the spotlight because it singles out minorities, I don't agree with it but seeing how non minorities get jobs all the damn time they don't deserve simply because they're White. I think A.A is only fair. Until hiring across the board is equal no change should be put into place. At least with A.A. some of the positions that would normally only go to unqualified White people can go to unqualified minorities. I think it's only fair

A good example, my GF is a woman of color, she has been with the same company for 20 years now. She has gotten raises, but never a promotion offer. She has seen probably 15 different white people get hired after her and become her manager. Most if not all of them didn't know how the shit she did and constantly relied on her for help because they were in positions they didn't deserve. She will NEVER get a promotion, gee I wonder why?

Tell your GF to quit. Find a company that values her more or go start her own business. Hiring and promoting unqualified employees, of any color, is its own reward for those companies that do so. If you think there is discrimination sufficient for a civil suit then file it.

Originally posted by: QueBert
A.A. isn't giving minorities CEO level jobs, most of them are mail room or something unimportant. Companies that don't hire minorities and only do it for A.A. reasons will tend to hire them for shit jobs just to get the government off their back.

to Paladin3, sounds great except, without A.A. minorities will be extra screwed. you realize A.A. wasn't put in place to give them an advantage right? Without A.A. the number of minorities getting hired will drop a lot. Even with A.A. in place the advantages Whites have FAR OUTWEIGH the few shitty jobs here and there an Asian or Black person will get due to it. Remember Whites still get hired regardless for most jobs.

No, AA isn't an advantage. It's a crutch. I'll be hiring a new crew of employees come summer and I'll be dammed if I'll hire some idiot just because of their color. I'll be looking for the most qualified and capable employees I can find because I want my business to be successful. Period. Sorry if you think the government should tell me who to hire based on skin color. Sorrier for your kids if you teach them that's what really counts in the job market.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Paladin3

Originally posted by: QueBert
This is true, but as it is most companies don't hire or promote based off who's qualified. I can't count the number of white people I've worked with who has no business in the position they had. I had managers who had to come to me daily to ask questions about a fucking product that they should know like the back of their hands.

A.A. gets the spotlight because it singles out minorities, I don't agree with it but seeing how non minorities get jobs all the damn time they don't deserve simply because they're White. I think A.A is only fair. Until hiring across the board is equal no change should be put into place. At least with A.A. some of the positions that would normally only go to unqualified White people can go to unqualified minorities. I think it's only fair

A good example, my GF is a woman of color, she has been with the same company for 20 years now. She has gotten raises, but never a promotion offer. She has seen probably 15 different white people get hired after her and become her manager. Most if not all of them didn't know how the shit she did and constantly relied on her for help because they were in positions they didn't deserve. She will NEVER get a promotion, gee I wonder why?

Tell your GF to quit. Find a company that values her more or go start her own business. Hiring and promoting unqualified employees, of any color, is its own reward for those companies that do so. If you think there is discrimination sufficient for a civil suit then file it.

Originally posted by: QueBert
A.A. isn't giving minorities CEO level jobs, most of them are mail room or something unimportant. Companies that don't hire minorities and only do it for A.A. reasons will tend to hire them for shit jobs just to get the government off their back.

to Paladin3, sounds great except, without A.A. minorities will be extra screwed. you realize A.A. wasn't put in place to give them an advantage right? Without A.A. the number of minorities getting hired will drop a lot. Even with A.A. in place the advantages Whites have FAR OUTWEIGH the few shitty jobs here and there an Asian or Black person will get due to it. Remember Whites still get hired regardless for most jobs.

No, AA isn't an advantage. It's a crutch. I'll be hiring a new crew of employees come summer and I'll be dammed if I'll hire some idiot just because of their color. I'll be looking for the most qualified and capable employees I can find because I want my business to be successful. Period. Sorry if you think the government should tell me who to hire based on skin color. Sorrier for your kids if you teach them that's what really counts in the job market.

what counts is equality and that doesn't exist, a lot of companies don't hire based off qualifications - you are an exception for hiring based off skills, that's not the normal. AA is NEEDED because minorities won't have a fair chance other wise. When you work at a company and 98 out of 100 of the employees are white there's a problem.

My GF did file a civil suit, they brought in some union fuckers who interviewed all her co-workers. Most said she was the best woman in the division bar none. The union people said "well we found no evidence, sorry..." Telling her to get another job is pointless as MOST companies would treat her the same, I dunno about you but I've never worked for a company where my manager, or anyone above my position was a minority, except for Sony and they love Asian people so If she got a new job it would be the exact same shit, except she'd be making far less money. You speak like a White person who has no fucking clue how hard it is for a person of color to get ahead, and sometimes even just get a job period.